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Hi guys,

I've been trying to get this 433 tactic working effeciently with Arsenal, but I'm struggling to find any form of consistency. One game it will win 5-0, next game it will lose 3-1 to a weak opponent. Away games especially are an issue here, even against poor teams I'm struggling to gain control of matches and create chances. Away games against top 6 teams are impossible and almost always result in me being completely overwhelmed and losing.

To start off, here is the tactic:

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Esentially, what I'm trying to end up with is a 3-2-5 structure in attack with the wingers staying wide in the buildup, the two number eights attacking the half spaces, and the striker dropping deeper to help link everything up before attacking the box himself. Zinchenko should be positioning himself next to Rice to form a double pivot, whilst White tucks inside to form a back three, as demonstrated here:

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This is not dissimilar to how Arsenal currently play in real life, only I've found Ben White's real life role to be impossible to replicate, as he tends to operate as an IFB, and IWB and a WB depending on the phase of play etc.

My pass maps tend to look something like this:

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Any ideas on how I can improve the tactic? As mentioned, it's not too bad and it is getting results at home, but it's just so inconsistent and I can't seem to get any of the players to play well for 2 games in a row.

Sorry for the long post.

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I tried a similar tactic like this on my other save, we won the league in the first season

- AML  stay wider

- DM Hold position and dribble less

- IWB Dribble less

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League Table

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Gabriel Jesus played as DLF-A throughout the season

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I have a few suggestions but I wouldn't say I'm by any means an authority on tactics. 
It looks like you're probably getting overrun in the midfield, which probably seems counterintuitive based on your formations and roles but it's probably happening.

-You have have three central mids but only one who is doing the dirty work — you have a CM on attack with "roam from position" and an AP on attack.  I would maybe take off the "roam from position" and possibly change the AP to a role that will provide more bite in the midfield. Maybe a BBM, a DLP on support, or even a BWM on support or even defense. 

-You passing is focused down the flanks because you have an IW on both flanks but they can't really cut inside because your midfielders are already taking up those spaces by drifting wide. Combine this with the IWB and IFB  who are supposed to sit inside and help the midfield but instead have to provide width because you have inverted wingers ahead of them. This leaves you woefully exposed in the middle. 

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