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    Greetings to everyone, First of all, I would like to congratulate all of you for FM24. 

    Today I would like to give you feedback about the players in Galatasaray and other players.. 

    Let's start with Victor Nelsson.We all know that Nelsson is not a very good aerial superiority, but I think there is an injustice and imbalance compared to the other defenders in the team. I think it is not fair to give these values to a player of a champion team who did not give up the uniform. How should we interpret the fact that Luyindama, who has not been in the team for two years, has better values? Abdulkerim's playmaking skills are much better. We also know that statistically he scores more headed goals. But how true is it that there is such a difference between the defender duo of the champion team playing together with Nelsson? Or how can we explain why Kaan Ayhan has better values than Nelsson? I realize that the work you do is difficult and valuable. But when I examine the statistics of all these players, When I ask the assistant manager, he does not write Nelson into the starting 11. How is this possible? Artificial intelligence does not prefer Nelsson. I think that the values are not given fairly and accurately. As a content producer, we came here to express the discomfort we feel both on behalf of my followers and on behalf of myself and to give our feedback. It gives the reason for the discussions of these profiles and degrades our gaming experience. We believe that these football players should be reconsidered. I hope our valuable researchers will consider re-evaluating the defenders in Galatasaray.


    Secondly, I would like to give feedback about Sacha Boey, who also plays for Galatasaray. There was a big reaction to Sacha Boey, whose dribbling value was 10 in FM23. One of the most valuable players of the champion team, Boey's runs with the ball were proven by statistics. While there were so many reactions last year, dropping 1 more point this year saddened me and the Football Manager players, and led to increased reactions. When we examine Sacha Boey's matches, we see that Galatasaray's attacks are constantly carried out on his wing. We see that Galatasaray frequently attacks through Sacha Boey. We think that it is unfair and wrong to show off-the-ball and dribbling skills so low in the game. Sacha Boey is one of Galatasaray's most preferred and impressive players in both the Champions League and the Turkish League. Galatasaray is constantly trying to attack through Sacha Boey. Galatasaray uses Sacha Boey's wing and produces offensive actions with him. I don't think that a football player who is so visible and praised by the entire football community deserves these values. These values of Sacha Boey degrade our gaming experience and do not reflect reality. I hope you will consider reevaluating him.

    Thirdly, I want to talk about Torreira. These physical values of one of Galatasaray's greatest players on the way to the championship definitely don't reflect the truth. In the game, his mental capacity is very high while his physical capacity is really low. The profile of this player is again fueling discussions. In his absence, we saw in every match how incomplete and helpless Galatasaray's midfield was this season. According to the matches we watched, Torreira is a football player who is fast and can defeat his opponents with his strength. In the game, the pace value is 9 and the acceleration value is 17. These values do not coincide with the player's performance. Don't these values seem unfair when compared to the new transfer Kerem Demirbay? Or doesn't it seem unfair when compared to Berkan Kutlu, who left Galatasaray and became a rotation player? Torreira, like the players I mentioned above, has an unfair physical capacity. When we consider his importance in Galatasaray and his performance in the matches, these values again do not reflect the truth. No, the best midfielder of the Turkish league's winningest and champion team should not remain at these values. I'm thinking of reconsidering and changing the balance of the profile compared to other players. I hope you consider these terrible errors and unstable profiles. 



    Finally, I would like to talk about Samsunspor player Ercan Kara. I've never watched his matches. I don't know what he did in the past. But it looks like his profile is not correct. It doesn't seem right that he can score so many goals. Since I don't have detailed information about him, I wanted to ask you. Is it normal for him to be this successful in the game? Especially many matches have been played so far and we have never seen such a performance in reality. At least, statistics don't show such a situation at the moment. I think there needs to be some work done for this player as well. Because anything unrealistic in the game spoils the enjoyment we get from the game. I hope you will tell me your ideas and thoughts on this subject and evaluate the issue.


    So, that's all I want to tell you for now. As I said at the beginning, I know your job is difficult and valuable. I can't give you any advice about what I've told you, because I'm not competent. I believe that you will evaluate and balance all of these. Otherwise, we have a difference of opinion about all these players.This difference of opinion and reactions are expressed not only by me but also by other Turkish football manager players. I thank you in advance for your valuable work. Have a nice day. image.png.dc5364eca6c3f1835ff5fddc2df06f91.pngimage.png.8201aa1d20dfee09f9933d4062a521a9.pngimage.png.e632b2ddab8eba1f3fd1271b5f38d7a8.pngimage.png.2fe04cf724e258040de280c1e3c988e8.pngimage.png.49aa945083c1b08c8e56662d41b11fd7.pngimage.png.a4498af520bcca24223f4fc3027bd546.pngimage.png.52902e8277a1d00af82895d47365c17d.pngimage.png.628ee3b2fb794c3161f4c1e98272b6b1.pngimage.png.85641d3a53fd9577fa36b2acbc7db9de.pngimage.thumb.png.580c38809eb9d036cfa32dc7f4fafc48.pngimage.thumb.png.55739a632826e9842424042e23d1a4ff.png
     

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    A lot in there. :)

    Let's start out with Nelsson.  It's as simple as preference to highlight his concentration and decision making while making sure he isn't much of a goal scoring threat from set pieces, as well as reflect his tendency to mis-head the ball into poor areas.  I think the difference between him and Davinson Sanchez became very clear as soon as Davinson Sanchez got some playing time (think the header assist from his own half).  Yet, Davinson is rated merely at 13, probably because he doesn't have a very stellar goal scoring record from set pieces (albeit playing at a higher level in the EPL) either.

    You make the comparison to Kaan Ayhan.  These are two quite different individuals with different strengths and weaknesses.  As I see it, if all players had very similar attributes, what is the purpose of playing a football manager game where the point is to build tactics which highlight the strengths of your team and hide the weaknesses based on who the opponent happens to be.  It's kind of like solving a puzzle.  You need a player who has good ability to pass from the back, then it's probably a better idea to use Kaan Ayhan.  You need a player who has good ability to track opponents and not make mistakes in defense while delegating playmaking to the midfield, then it's probably better idea to use Nelsson.  If you need someone with speed against pacy attackers, then Davinson Sanchez is your best option.

    As for Sacha Boey.  Again, it's a preference to better reflect his athletic ability that he uses to very good effect in defense.  I already wrote a little about him in another thread, which I'll copy here.

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    Regarding Boey's dribbling, lets compare with a former teammate, Leo Dubois.  Dubois has better ball control when he is dribbling but he's considerably slower.  Lets suppose we raised Boey to 12.  We then want to rate Dubois at a level higher than that.  Maybe 13 or 14.  Then you have Ferdi Kadioglu who is the best dribbler as a full back, then you want to rate him at 16-17 probably.  So you have effectively decided at this point that any winger who is a decent dribbler needs to have 17-20 for his dribbling.  Simply because a dribbling of 9 for Boey feels low, perhaps because it's in single digits.  You then end up with players who look very similar in ability, they are easily interchangeable.  And the value of a winger who can dribble well is diminished.

    For Torreira.  I think you will agree with me that Torreira has some great ability to press opponents as well as quickly change direction.  His ability to anticipate where passes will be played and get to the ball before opponents his a major strength for him.  He's not the type of player that runs after a player sprinting with the ball because he has already put pressure on the player just as his opponent receives the ball.  All of these are going to be best reflected with anticipation, acceleration and agility. 

    Should he have higher pace?  Let me put it this way.  Last season Sergio Oliveira ran at a pace of over 7 m/s (which is quite fast but less than Pace = 1) for 1% of the total distance he covered. 
    For Torreira this was 0.6%. 
    For Boey and Baris Alper it was around 3%. 
    For Abdulkerim it was around 1.4%. 
    For Midtsjo it was around 1.7%. 
    For Berkan it was 1.4%. 
    For Bafetimbi Gomis it was 0.9%
    For Juan Mata it was 0.5%. 

    As Sir Arthur Conan Doyle put into Sherlock Holmes' mouth, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
    We don't observe Torreira run at high speeds very frequently.  This could mean he's lazy on the pitch and/or doesn't concentrate so he doesn't use the pace that he possesses.  Or it could mean despite his hard working demeanor, he doesn't have a very high top speed. 

    While this may be an uncomfortable conclusion, in my opinion it's a better conclusion than giving Torreira lower acceleration or agility which would diminish his ability when pressing or lower work rate  and/or concentration which would have a similar result.  "Unusual weaknesses in sports can only survive in the presence of unusual strengths." as Bill James once wrote in the Fielding Bible.  So if players are to have unusual strengths they must also have some unusual weaknesses.

     

    As for his strength.  When you hover over the strength attribute in the game it reads "This attribute reflects a player's ability to exert his physical force on an opponent to his benefit." 

    Recall from high school physics that Force = Mass x Acceleration. 

    So the larger the mass or higher the acceleration, the more force a player can exert on an opponent.  Torreira is not a player that can exert force with a large mass.  He's approximately 1.68 m tall (average football player in the database is 1.80m) and about 64 kg.  So the mass portion of his ability to exert force on an opponent is well below the average football player.  However since he's quite quick, athletic and fit, we have rated him slightly below what would be the hypothetical average for a 1.80 m tall player (which would be 10).   Some other player with mass similar to Torreira would probably need to be rated lower than where we rated Torreira.

    Also it's worth remembering that strength is only a player's ability to exert force.  There is also the willingness to exert force, which aggression and bravery will mostly cover.  In this regard Torreira is certainly exceptional.  However I don't believe that we should be seeing him possess a strength rating that would allow him to regularly bully (on the pitch) players that are much larger than him in size.

    Finally Ercan Kara.  I haven't had a chance to analyze him yet but our Samsunspor researcher is certainly on the task.  It will probably be a good idea to keep monitoring him and see whether the difference in his performance in the game and in real life is a product of his abilities, how he's used by his managers so far, or perhaps because of fitness related issues. 

    Thanks!

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    First of all, thank you for your careful answer. I get the impression that we at least agree on single digit values. As I said before, I'm not an expert on this. I understand that you need to keep some values low to highlight their most important talents. We need more different and reasonable solutions I guess. Of course, we aren't expecting huge increases. We just need a little more balance. Of course, the final evaluation and decision belongs to you. I hope that on November 6th, along with these profiles, there will be an arrangement for the untouched profiles. If it isn't possible on November 6, unfortunately, I think the reactions will continue to increase. I wish you patience in this matter. Good work to all of you. :applause:

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    The priority at the moment is the financial side of the game since it influences the game long term. Fingers crossed.

    If you can further explain what you mean by more balance, I would be happy to discuss.

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