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Small point - the transfer window currently ends on 1 September in the Eredivisie. If i recall correctly, this was 31 August in reality

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27 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Kokcu will slightly increase for the full game, but I guess I won't make you happy no - but I guess he's already one of the best midfielders in the league anyway already. 

It does feel like there is a large gap towards PSV - who have been able to sign a few players earning well over 1 million. I don't really see Feyenoord doing that, although maybe generally they pay their players a little bit more than currently set. I suppose guys like Bijlow, Kokcu etc could earn - let's say 500-600000 instead of 400000.  (rounding the numbers up a little).  Someone like Timber and a few more of the recent signings are on 500000-550000 or so.

I think indeed players like Bijlow, Geertruida and Kokcu make much much more than 400k. I think Slot has said in his press conferences last year that, rather than bringing in new players, Feyenoord invested in giving youngsters new contracts. The rumours are that Feyenoord offered Geertruida 900k, which Geertruida rejected, although ultimately they did find agreement on a new contract. I think it's a safe bet to say that all three of them make more than 700k.

Of course i understand that this is not very tangible evidence and I do not have the exact numbers, but the point I'm making is that the order of magnitude seems to be off.

Source on the Geertruida rumour is FeyenoordTM, although the agent denied it. https://www.voetbalzone.nl/doc.asp?uid=391791

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1 hour ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Thanks :

Well, Paixao and Lopez are on Non-EU wages - so they kind of fall outside of the bracket. Or at least they're a difficult example to compare to. I'm not sure Orkun signed a much bigger deal when his contract was extended in June 2020?

He's a clear starting player. Look at his position. There are no challengers to him. Except Szymanski. So if you play 2-3 central midfielders he's always going to play - even at his beta rating. Of course Timber, Buillaude are good alternatives too. 

This is a case of... Kokcu is a good player. I like him. But really, he's not fantastic. And he's got plenty of potential. He'd be a clear Dutch or Turkish international. Although he already has 16 caps of course. I would say, imagine him going to Arsenal. They've scouted him obviously and have their doubts. So do I. I think he will cut it - because the Premier League really isn't that special and he's got enough base qualities, but - will he immediately be a starting player? I have my reservations, in 1-2 seasons time? Yeah, he'll be there.

I actually agree with you on this. As I said, I haven't seen his CA but if he's one of the best midfielders in the league and has the potential to become an Arsenal starter in 2 years, that seems reasonable. Especially if he gets a further upgrade for the full game

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6 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

You'll need to come up with something more constructive than that please..  But to close this discussion, I will still be going over a few of the players. For example Idrissi is rated higher, but that's because he played abroad and we don't really want to touch players too much when they just come over - and the margins are small.

But if you already play the game in the current state, you'll find Kokcu is already a fine player even without possible changes.

Thank you. Good to hear you're still looking into this. I just think Kokcu's profile in particular could use some tweaking. In particular:

• As you're aware, Kokcu is listed as a squad player. Last season he has played a total of 4265 minutes for Feyenoord (equivalent to 47.4 matches of 90 minutes). I think this points to at least regular starter, if not important player.
• Kokcu has one of the lowest wages on the Feyenoord team (approximately 350k per year). I don't think it is in line with expectations that he would earn 50% less than Marcos Lopez or that Paixao would earn more than twice as much.
• I have not checked CA because I'm enjoying playing with Feyenoord now and Kokcu is indeed already a good player, but if he is indeed the 7th best player on the Feyenoord team that could either mean that other players are rated too highly or Kokcu not high enough.

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14 hours ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Being captain doesn't automatically make you the best player - but Orkun is rated 7th best Feyenoorder, so should be a first team player. I will still make a few tweaks here and there - but he's already pretty good.

7th best Feyenoorder? That in itself sounds a bit unrealistic. You could argue that Hancko or Szymanski may be better, but surely he's at least the third best player?

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For Feyenoord the squad number 12 is not retired. While in reality 12 is reserved for the fans, no player could wear it.