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2 hours ago, herne79 said:

 

I read your posts and gave you 6 reasons why it happened.  It was not intended to be patronising in the slightest, just pointing out why it happened - which is what you wanted.

Do pre-match events have a big effect?  Yes and no, but as I mentioned previously there is much more going on here than just pre-match events.  Why "yes and no"?  Because individually these pre-match events don't have a big effect but collectively they might do.  But it's not just your team involved, the opposition are also going through the same process.  And then there are tactical and motivational issues during the match itself - again for both you and the opposition.  Don't discount what the opposition are up to.

I gave you the Germany analogy.  At the World Cup Germany didn't suddenly become a bad team.  They are still a fantastic team full of great players.  But they got overly confident - arrogant even - and didn't give their opponents the respect they deserved.  Their opponents on the other hand were not only well up for the fight but also used good tactics of their own.

And so you wanted reasons: Manager and team complacency; opposition fired up in their relegation battle; tactical issues for you and the opposition.  It's these things in combination with each other that's at the bottom of this which collectively have had a large effect.  Not one or two things in isolation.

Yes and I appreciate your replies and your time, what I am trying to say is I know all these things lead to complacency, what I want to hear from you is peoples general opinion on these predetermined things you just mentioned.

If you guys feel its a bit over the top sometimes, I explained the differences between the teams very well so you would get an idea of how insanely complacent my team would have had to be to create this kind of one-sided result repeatedly, again I'm not asking for help on how to play FM, If I was I would be posting in other parts of the forum.

 

Svenc: My conclusion on the 7-7 vs Chelsea is passing into space with high acc/pace attackers create an insane amount of chances. Especially late in the game when you put on fresh fast attackers vs a tired defense.

This screen shot is from the same season and look at the results I have vs some of the top teams in the league:

 

https://gyazo.com/40082a722fa7455b877f9f3ded512c12

Towards the end of the season when all my players started forging strong understanding the goals from the pass into space, from long passes from defense to short quick passes into the box turned into an insane amount of goals.

Currently struggling to find/sign good defenders so I'm playing with kids and when they all hit prime age/potential it's gonna be glorious.

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On 12/08/2018 at 10:25, herne79 said:

Actually it is scripted.

But only because you, @raxnt have unwittingly scripted it in that manner from all of your various inputs.  The Cardiff manager has also had input to it.  And you're playing like Germany at the World Cup.  Here's what's happened:

1) You have become complacent.  You've been lulled into a false sense of security by your current form and recent results.  You've clicked through "good" responses in press conferences and so on without really paying attention and you've lined up against Cardiff without much thought other than "yeh, bottom of the table, nail on 3 points".  Sounds like how Germany approached their opening game against Mexico...

2) Your complacency has had a knock on effect to your players.  They've got their heads full of "pfft, Cardiff, who are they?  We just beat a good Premier league team."

3) Cardiff are anything but complacent.  They're scrapping for their lives at the bottom of the table.  Their manager has got his players well up for the fight.

4) Cardiff go 1-0 up.  Now they really do have the bit between their teeth while your players start to wilt.  Again, Germany...

5) They also happen to have a sound tactic which makes a good foil to your own.

6) By this point changing your own tactic is too little too late.  The damage is already done.  All you're now doing by randomly changing your tactic is confusing yourself and your players further.  If you change your system, how do you know you're changing it to a good system?  It's brand new, untried.  And even if you do stumble across something which might be good, your players are so unfamiliar with it (and so complacent) they can't really cope - and Cardiff are still up for the fight anyway.

So, with all of those sort of inputs, it really isn't much of a surprise you can't beat Cardiff even with 30 reloads.

Stop reloading, learn from your mistakes and move on.  All that reloading does is reaffirm a negative belief, which is why you start to think that the game feels scripted.  As TMS is rightly saying, go back over your own actions and learn from that rather than reloading (the equivalent of banging your head against a wall).

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I didn't make any mistakes, I just proved how predetermined it was that I was gonna lose that match with 1 win in 40 matches attempted. Hence the entire point of this post pointing out that things done outside of match day might have too big of an effect on results.

 

If you actually read my post you will see my main focus point is, does prematch events have to big of an effect on match results? What do you think yay or nay?

 

I certainly did not ask for help on how to play FM.

 

And to add, as MODs you guys should really lose the patronizing tone of your posts as it immediately made me feel discouraged from posting on this forum in the future. 

 

As I'm typing this post this just happened, 

 

 

 

 

I guess the game decided both our defenses was gonna have a **** day and our attackers an insanely good one, let's go ping pong.

 

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1 minute ago, Svenc said:

Ironically, if the AI was actually "intelligent", the game would throw up less seemingly "random" occurance (for the unitiated), but it would all play like Cardiff, and spring a decent result or two. I'd argue you would also struggle for a couple results in general, as your role/duty distribution is severely limiting movement and passing angles opening up on the pitch.

Without having a look at the match, it's impossible to tell. Suffice it to say there's players that could likely point you out what was going on (and game flaws can also be to blame).

 

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I play high up the pitch and out of defense, so my defending fullbacks act like semi support, I also play direct passing and high tempo counter attacking and recycle possession against almost all my opponents. My main struggle is 4-4-2 and my fullbacks giving away free crosses when they have bad games

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Anyway it might be what Cfuller said, just alot of pre match things happened that have motivated these cardiff players to play the game of there lives , which can explain why they play so good consistently, best reason I can think of so far

 

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They have insane pressure, regardless of passing game I tried it was nearly impossible to keep possession on their side of the pitch, i felt like i was playing against Real madrid.  Thats easiest way I can explain most of the matches, other then that there defense was rock solid if I ever got a tiny chance shots were made easy for their goalie to save.

 

Thats what confused me about this matchup why they play like the best team in the world on such a consistent basis, never experienced it before. Maybe just a freak occurance

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So I didn't ask you the right question to get a constructive response? Neither did I ask for advice on how to spend my time in FM but you seemed very eager to give me that constructive response. But please be my guest close the thread instead of answering the simple question of why do you believe they consistently beat me 40/40 times with the information posted in my original post

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If you read my very first sentences on my original post I completely acknowledge I do not believe the game is scripted, which leads me to belive you did not really read my post at all. What kind of moderator are you.

 

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If you were constructive, you would have asked yourself the question what the reason could be , and given me a constructive response as to why you think I am losing that game so consistently.

 

Telling me what I should and should not do with my time in FM is not constructive feedback.

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Well I'm a perfectionist, which is why im bloody good at this game to begin with but I get your point.

 

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I didn't ask for help on how to play FM, I'm not struggling. 

I simply encountered a freak situation of losing a game I on paper should never lose nearly 40/40 times and If anyone could maybe point out why this happens if they have had similar situations and knew what it was.

 

The only thing you are contributing with is twice telling me I should not think the game is scripted when I already two times said I do not think the game is scripted, but I know people on these forums Love to be the teacher with all the knowledge. Would have thought a moderator at least was slightly more constructive with his responses.

 

 

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Well the game is pretty much contradicting pure math nearly 40 times in a row then. I've encountered this in previous FM's but I have never experienced such a dominant performance from a team that is so far behind on everything.

 

 

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Well If you actually read my post I didn't say it was scripted, I said it felt that way. 

You confirm my suspicions that things like team talks might have a way to big of an effect on team performance.

Team talks should be important, but lets set a limit here its a bit over the top if this is the case

 

At least considering all the things in my favor in this specific matchup.

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Now I know you all love to jump on the "L2P" train everytime you read a post about people thinking the game is scripted sometimes.

I am not saying it is "scripted", but there are arguments that can be made for pre-match events affecting the outcome of a game WAY above what is realistic (That means every single little event that effects players between matches). 

Especially when you look at the difference in team strength, individual player strength etc.

I've played FM since the first game was released and I have a lot of experience with FM games.

But in this 2018 release, I have noticed some very questionable events occurring.

 

I've been 1st for half the season now and everything is looking good.

 

I got without doubt best players by position in the entire league, I beat lower level Premier teams usually with ease for 3 seasons but I was never able to gain promotion. 

 

I play Gloucester and been stuck in Championship. My club stature remains poor despite beating teams way above my stature consistently for over 4 Seasons.

I also have the best coaching team in the league 4 seasons in a row.

I also have the best training facilities and Secure finances.

 

Scenario time:

I'm on a 3 game win streak, I just crushed mid-level premier team in cup (using their main players).

 

Morale is PERFECT

My players are 100% fit.

Everything in Dynamics is flawless.

I play a very stable 4-5-1, Fullbacks on defending, Central defenders on defending,1 Defensive midfielder support, 2 B2B midfielders( move into channels/run wide with ball ), 2 Inside forwards attacking, sitting narrow and 1 AF.

Last press conference should have had no effect on players from what I can tell since no morale or PR affecting questions on players were really asked.

So I am now on a 3 Win streak following 2 draws everything is back on track and I'm facing the bottom team of the league Cardiff.

 

They use the same formation as me. their morale is horrible, their players are that of a Skybet 2 team on average.

 

So I have everything going for me pre-match to my advantage at least from what I can judge.

I get absolutely demolished 4-0, all my players underperform, I did not get a single shot on target despite having 48% possession. My players who have been consistently performing for 6 months all have a complete mental breakdown all at the same time.

All ratings 6.50 or lower.

I'm playing HOME.

This loss happened at the point where I was about 2 lose my top spot if second place wins.

 

I got so annoyed I saved the game on a new save and went back just to replay it before I continued on my save where I lost ( I never cheat takes out all the fun of playing FM)

Again, similar time frames Cardiff scores, they are playing out of their minds insane football.

I lost again 3-1.

Next game I lose 3-0

3-1

4-2

5-2

4-1

3-1 

All lost.

 

I adjust tactics, swap players, I experiment trying to learn to find out why I am losing so hard to this team when there are no real big elements that should make this matchup so one sided when I have everything in the game going for me.

 

I did around 20 attempts before I managed to salvage my first 2-2 draw.

 

So despite me putting all the better numbers into this A.I Matchmaking machine. Better players, better morale, most definitely better dynamics, home advantage list goes on. This Cardiff team somehow did something that makes it nearly impossible for me to beat them.

 

So sure game might not be scripted but there sure is some hidden element affecting the match engine before game start making Cardiff players play like gods this one match and mine consistently playing horrible football.

 

And before you say it, Cardiff had no marking scheme on my attacking players, and if they did the Cardiff team defense was so slow they should not be able to keep up with my attacker's acceleration, agility, and pace.

 

Either way, this is completely unrealistic and you might not call it scripting but it cannot be questioned that a lot of the result was decided before I clicked the PLAY button considering the consistency of how hard they beat my team.

 

At 37 attempts I managed to win one game.