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Patch 8.0.1. Shots to Goal Ratio not fixed - SHOCKING!! SI Please answer - believe to be related to Closing down and Long shots bug

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gambleTL:

Its a frigging game, how can you compare it to a death penalty haha

If you don't like the game, why not sell it. Quit whining because all your doing is ruining everyone elses experience </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I buy a car. I paid over 17k for it. After 2 weeks of driving I begin to notice a few problems. Breaks don't work as well, Doors dont shut properly, seat belt doesnt work, steering is doggy. What do I do? Say "that's life, i will get over it"

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yeah sell it, who wants a game that doesn't works?

Evryone else experience!?! this forum is full of people who don't like the game.

So you just stop whining " look at me i like the game. i'm happy with everything they give me, even a bag of **** for which i paid 50€"

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This forum is full of people who have nothing else to do but just whine about a minor issue on a video game. Why don't you actually play football instead of pretending your the next fergie

you people make me laugh lol...get a life

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WTF are you doing on this forum. you obviously don't know a **** of football management games.

I doubt you actually have the game.

The match engine is as good as the most important feature in the game, but you call it something minor.

That's pathetic. you don't have the game nor a life, so you come on forums to tell people to search a life. Someone ban this useless idiot

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gambleTL:

This forum is full of people who have nothing else to do but just whine about a minor issue on a video game. Why don't you actually play football instead of pretending your the next fergie

you people make me laugh lol...get a life </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I smell a troll...

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gambleTL:

well thats the game......get over it !! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why dont you please shut up and dont comeinto this thread cos ill tell yer what if it wasnt for people 'complaining'nothing would get noticed or fixed!!

grow up and think of the bigger picture.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zoolok:

You're not reading what PaulC has said... The match engine will tweak the results, so that amount of scored goals is the same as in real life.

This means that if you create a super tactic the match engine won't let you score.

But, what it also means is that, if you suck at football, the match engine will help you score, so that in the end you get a realistic amount of goals.

And that sucks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol i totally agree with that .

Realistically speaking , are you going to play a game that success or failure are not depending on the way you play but from game engine?

OK lets say you play it , are you going not to lough with people claiming that this is a simulation ?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Themistofelis:

lol i totally agree with that .

Realistically speaking , are you going to play a game that success or failure are not depending on the way you play but from game engine?

OK lets say you play it , are you going not to lough with people claiming that this is a simulation ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, there's more to that! Apparently, this "fine tuning" was introduced to keep the amount of goals on a "realistic" level... But they've managed to do it in a completely unrealistic way :p

Bit of a paradox, this one?

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So if i go back to beta patch i wont have this problem anymore?

what were main diffs between beta and final patch?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zoolok:

LOL, there's more to that! Apparently, this "fine tuning" was introduced to keep the amount of goals on a "realistic" level... But they've managed to do it in a completely unrealistic way :p

Bit of a paradox, this one? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think this is the core of the problem , the engine should determine how the game is played not the score line ,there is not enough time for a team to make 50 shots in the game .

In a match where AI can not follow it should try to play full defensive , man mark etc not to pretent that everything is okay and let the bionic goalie save everything.

This is a very simplistic way of solving things but i do give SI the excuse that they were under pressure from the community for a patch.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">i do have the game i just came on to get a patch </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This guy isn't going to feel so superior and amused when the patch screws up his game!!!!

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gambleTL you should send your match files to SI since you are the first enjoying game with 8.01. This thread could have been 140 pages, but most people get back to beta patch like me, so they stop moaning. If the wouldn't be the beta patch it could have been the worst FM IMO.

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He most certainly is not the first. I have seen quite a few posts of people enjoying the game.

Of course it isnt perfect but there is still people out there enjoying it, I'm one of them. If I didnt enjoy it I'd be playing something else.

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The biggest difference that make me prefer FM over the other games are that the realism on FM. I also agree there are other aspects as well, but the realism is the biggest plus on FM side. 8.01 patch kills the realism and the whole idea of management IMO. 50 shots per game half of them on target 20 of the shots 1v1 and you score only 1 or 2 goals. This kills the realism.

I also don't agree with the super hipper whatever tactics. As a manager your job is to create tactics, so that your team will have more chances. If you are able to create a tactic, so that your team have 50 shots in 4 out of every 5 games; your fans will worship you and your team will be sitting on top of the table. There wouldn't be an example of getting 5 points out of 5 games when you have 40 shots per game on average IRL. However in FM08+8.01 you create tactics to have 40 shots per game on average, and 1 goal per game on average. For god sake you are a manager, you can't get into pitch and score for the players. That would be a different game like PES08.

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Made a thread about this some time ago, but i'll post it again.

Many of those who denies this problem say that "these things happen once in a while". Indeed, they do. Like the Chelsea-Blackburn game. But this many times in one season..? For the record, I still finished 5th in the league.

Newcastle - insane results

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gettin this problem after what i said lol!

at crew, got a good stat dude who cant score for ish! division 2 and his finishing is 13 and composure 17 and he has scored one from about 100 chances lol!

very annoying when u see crap ai strikers rip u apart and score every opportunity and my dude gets about 10 shots on goal a game and doesnt score

i need fraizer campbell back!!

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I've been playing around with the game trying to see what causes this. I have to say, if you play with wingers then you don't seem to see this problem. I was playing 3 central mids with a DM behind them, and hitting this bug every match. I changed my formation to use wingers (standard 4-4-2), and apart from the period where the team was adapting to the new formation, I no longer saw the super goalie thing on a consistent basis (i.e. you get an occasional freak game where the goalie has a blinder, but that is probably realistic IMHO).

So it seems to me playing without width seems to trigger this.

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My last 6 games has seen the opposition GK be man of the match. Can you believe that 6!!!

Even though I won those games by a goal or two it was obvious they played like this to keep my goals down to a realistic level. Return of the SUPER GK. icon_biggrin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BHAMILTON:

So let me ask you this....do you try and create your own super tactics? are u the type of player who edits Ronaldo into Coventry City in 2007..I bet you are bcse that is what causes this issue....

Merry xmas by the way </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Last time I looked a 442, direct, high-tempo, counter-attacking isnt a super-tactic.

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Does anyone else think a poor shots-goals ratio is down to formation? Personally I never find problems creating chances, but based purely on formation i put some away and some i don't. It's like the game focussed more on whether you are dominating the match rather on the chances themselves when deciding whether they go in or not. I'm not sure if that's because they have a stock of highlights oe somwething...

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by adonis:

My last 6 games has seen the opposition GK be man of the match. Can you believe that 6!!!

Even though I won those games by a goal or two it was obvious they played like this to keep my goals down to a realistic level. Return of the SUPER GK. icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>More frequent...seen a few of them...always against me V_V

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And chelsea won and blackburn had 18 shots.

sometimes teams don't always score all their attempts

just enjoy the game ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok let me start by saying yes i agree this does happen B]sometimes[/b]. But not virtually every single game like happens on this game. It shouldnt take 25 + chances to get one goal compared to the computers one shot one goal.

Therefore you can not enjoy the game because it is unrealistic, unfair and unplayable.

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This game is really ****ed up. I play against livorno. they just have 4 shots on target, no shots off target, and they score 3 times= 75%. I with Milan have 15 shots on target and 10 off target, and i score once= 4%. result 3-1

This is rzally ****ing me off,and when something like this happens, i think i got the right to reload my game because it complete crap something like this happens icon_mad.gificon_mad.gificon_mad.gif

Si do you know ****ing understand now why we all need that patch? Waiting another month is shooting in your own foot. In february, about 25% will have hrown his FM2008 out of the window and said: "those bastards aren't going to get any more money from me ever"

It is in your own intrest you bring out the patch as quickly as possible.

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There is a guide in the tactics forum on team talks.

Sounds off topic? Not really. Success in Fm08 depends 60% on team talk, 30% on tactics and 10% on luck. Match engine? 0%.

Of course this is not to deny that the shots to goal ratio and number of shots per match is unrealistic. icon_smile.gif

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Don't go out and buy this game on release next year then! Do something for heaven's sake. How on earth do you think SI will change their policy of releasing broken games? By looking at some customers shouting in the forum??

VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS PEOPLE AND YOU WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE!

P.S. gambleTL, I really feel sad for you...

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fred_the_Red:Oh god no I thought after 2 months of moaning, threads upon threads of problems, hours and hours of workd put in by users to catch bugs and post them in the bug forums that something would have been done by now. To be honest there is no point in making an update patch at all now, totally no point what so ever. Whats the point in waiting till Feburary to start a game? What is the point? The game is done by then. Might as well wait for FM09. You guys at SI might as well concentrate on FM09 and make that better. There is no point trying to fix 08 when you could be doing FM09. When FM09 comes out it will be the same as FM08, low qaulity, unplayable game, waste of money. Really sick of this now, I just wanted a playable game thats all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Totally the reason I haven't bought the game yet. As usual the paying public become beta testers and we don't get a patch that fixes the annoying bugs until Feb. Anyone getting deja vu from last year and the year before?

I'm yet another 'reader' of the forums. I've bought CM/FM since back in the Amiga days, but the last few versions of FM have caused a right old hoohar. I don't get why some people feel the need to have a go at those who are picking up the bugs. These people have PAID MONEY for a game that has annoying bugs. It's SI who should be paying THEM for beta testing and picking these bugs up. Without the 'whingers' lol, people like me would still be buying the game 6 months before it's fixed.

Here's waiting for Feb and the testing results from those who have already bought the game. Then I may think about going to the shop to buy the game. For the moment however, I'll stick with FM07 (fully patched).

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by andygregory:

Totally the reason I haven't bought the game yet. As usual the paying public become beta testers and we don't get a patch that fixes the annoying bugs until Feb. Anyone getting deja vu from last year and the year before?

Here's waiting for Feb and the testing results from those who have already bought the game. Then I may think about going to the shop to buy the game. For the moment however, I'll stick with FM07 (fully patched). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol, as an experience "CMer" i have already delay to buy this game until patch 8.0.1 but still...... icon_biggrin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rickooko:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by andygregory:

Totally the reason I haven't bought the game yet. As usual the paying public become beta testers and we don't get a patch that fixes the annoying bugs until Feb. Anyone getting deja vu from last year and the year before?

Here's waiting for Feb and the testing results from those who have already bought the game. Then I may think about going to the shop to buy the game. For the moment however, I'll stick with FM07 (fully patched). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol, as an experience "CMer" i have already delay to buy this game until patch 8.0.1 but still...... icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehe well I waited until early March of this year before I went out to buy FM2007. Once I got a sense that everything was ok with the final patch, that gave me the green light.

Waiting for the same thing this time around and I suspect I'll do the same again with FM2009. Octobers aren't definitely not same anymore....

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by delibey:

I don't think there's anything to deny. It's already been said that "we tune each part of the match engine so that over 100s of games, the average no of goals/shots on target etc is close to real life". That's perfectly alright. The problem is the match engine produces more easy one-on-one chances than it should. Players get all kinds of chances during a match but never this many completely free, unmarked one-on-ones with the ball under control. SI will have to change the coding of offensive part of the game to reflect the number of chances IRL, or at least be closer to it(this is a game after all). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. I really makes no sense if you allow gamers to do things in game as they like, and then nerf their accomplishments and skills to reflect something which is reality. Prevent them from being brilliant cracking the game if you don't want "unrealistic" scores in a COMPUTER GAME. It would be same if you played F1 game with a Spyker and then in the last lap when you're winning your car will suddenly have its speed limiter on and some McLaren or Ferrari comes 1000 km/h and beats you just because it would reflect more reality. Decide if this is a game or a replay of real happenings.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rich_barnes:

i bet SI curse the day they decided to include the 2D match engine in there games, its the only thing that spoils the game, none of the people who i know that play fm watch it anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The problem isn't that overhead view, it only tries to represent what the match engine is calculating. So many times I've left CM 01/02 infuriated because of these "my team 30 shots, rival team 1 shot, result 0-2" matches. There was no 2D or 3D view, it was only less frustrating because you could imagine how bad your chances were (which I never believed but blamed the cheating AI).

Personally I don't care about those views at all, I was fine with text commentary. Besides, talking about "realism", no Sir Alex Fergusons watch their team play from helicopter... Nitpicking you may say, but I think there are too much of that with tactics, transfers, training etc too. All which only make this game more difficult and troublesome to play and understand.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by andygregory:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fred_the_Red:Oh god no I thought after 2 months of moaning, threads upon threads of problems, hours and hours of workd put in by users to catch bugs and post them in the bug forums that something would have been done by now. To be honest there is no point in making an update patch at all now, totally no point what so ever. Whats the point in waiting till Feburary to start a game? What is the point? The game is done by then. Might as well wait for FM09. You guys at SI might as well concentrate on FM09 and make that better. There is no point trying to fix 08 when you could be doing FM09. When FM09 comes out it will be the same as FM08, low qaulity, unplayable game, waste of money. Really sick of this now, I just wanted a playable game thats all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Totally the reason I haven't bought the game yet. As usual the paying public become beta testers and we don't get a patch that fixes the annoying bugs until Feb. Anyone getting deja vu from last year and the year before?

I'm yet another 'reader' of the forums. I've bought CM/FM since back in the Amiga days, but the last few versions of FM have caused a right old hoohar. I don't get why some people feel the need to have a go at those who are picking up the bugs. These people have PAID MONEY for a game that has annoying bugs. It's SI who should be paying THEM for beta testing and picking these bugs up. Without the 'whingers' lol, people like me would still be buying the game 6 months before it's fixed.

Here's waiting for Feb and the testing results from those who have already bought the game. Then I may think about going to the shop to buy the game. For the moment however, I'll stick with FM07 (fully patched). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know whats more annoying, I brought the game in Oct for 24.99. Played it, tested it and written threads and upon threads about bugs for SI to fix. Now they saying they will have a patch by Feb when the game wil drop to something like £10.99.

Ive basically paid SI to fix something they made that I brought.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fred_the_Red:You know whats more annoying, I brought the game in Oct for 24.99. Played it, tested it and written threads and upon threads about bugs for SI to fix. Now they saying they will have a patch by Feb when the game wil drop to something like £10.99.

Ive basically paid SI to fix something they made that I brought. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The way things stand, SI should probably release the game in Oct/Nov at £10.99 (as it's clearly not a finished product anymore) let the public beta test it, and then up the price in Feb of the following year when the final patch becomes available.

Either that or just sell the game at £10 boxed and then charge £5 for each of the patches, that way if you notice and are affected by any annoying bugs, you can buy a patch. A fully patched program would then have cost you approximately the current full Oct/Nov release date retail price.

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its funny how you refer to mathematical variables and parameters set by a programmer as bugs, i would have thought it should be refered to as subjective tactial viewpoint, and i would have to agree, the coder is on glue, there is a bizzare subroutine in this version that needs amending

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jopo12:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by delibey:

I don't think there's anything to deny. It's already been said that "we tune each part of the match engine so that over 100s of games, the average no of goals/shots on target etc is close to real life". That's perfectly alright. The problem is the match engine produces more easy one-on-one chances than it should. Players get all kinds of chances during a match but never this many completely free, unmarked one-on-ones with the ball under control. SI will have to change the coding of offensive part of the game to reflect the number of chances IRL, or at least be closer to it(this is a game after all). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. I really makes no sense if you allow gamers to do things in game as they like, and then nerf their accomplishments and skills to reflect something which is reality. Prevent them from being brilliant cracking the game if you don't want "unrealistic" scores in a COMPUTER GAME. It would be same if you played F1 game with a Spyker and then in the last lap when you're winning your car will suddenly have its speed limiter on and some McLaren or Ferrari comes 1000 km/h and beats you just because it would reflect more reality. Decide if this is a game or a replay of real happenings. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree, but it seems to be SIs way.

We once had the most brilliant and realistic tactical aid in the with/without ball screens, an aid that replicated nicely a managers whiteboard and ability to show players where he wanted them positioned in certain situations.

SI removed it because of supertactics, rather than fix the match engine issues that made some tactics ultra effective.

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i personally think the tactical system in fundamentally flawed because the 2-d screen does not give you an accurate representation of why your tactics are not working, you cannot have 'bad tactics' and dominate play with more shots and yet always lose, its paradoxical, unless you want to spend 5 hours a day reading the match report, of what only some sad super***** would do, then its useless

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i find it interesting that pretty much everyone who is complaining is mangaing the big clubs: Milan, Real madrid etc. I have done 11 seasons as manager of hitchin and have gone from conference south to league one and have yet to encounter this 'problem' (i started this game on 8.0.1.)I am having a great time, sure on some occasions i have games where i dominate and then conceed a late goal, but heck that happens week in week out in real football. The more you put into football manager, the more you get back.

I dont expect anyone to care, goodwill appears thin on the ground these days, but i find myself visting the forums less and less, becasue every time i do all see is negativity. I have several friends who own FM08 and have never been to these forums, they all very much enjoy the game. Im not saying its perfect, that would be stupid, but for me it is a very accurate portrayal of management. If companies such as codemasters and EA cant make a competant managemnet sim then i say well done SI.

*Let the flaming begin* icon_wink.gif

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giblets_of_fire i am glad u like the game thats fine there seem to be a couple u guys every time someone starts a thread like this, but u and your "friends" should try and open your eyes and see that the vast majority aren't that happy, in fact we have payed good money for a product were not happy with, i think that i speak for most of us when i say that we all want this game to be great, so don't get on our case for trying to improve something most of us love to play

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its getting more ridiculous every time. most of my games end with a final goal for the other team, always after minute 85, after i have been having chance after chance and shot after shot, not scoring, and then, they arrive once, and they score. of course, 4 out of 5 games end with the opponent GK as Man of Match

even those games where i can win, i do it 1-0 or 2-1, and its always with a lot of missed shots and ver clear chances, that my supposedly world class strikers (robinho, agüero, sneijder) should score even with eyes closed.

i am really tired of all this bullsh*t, and most of all with SI not acknowledging for this problem and trying to blame the managers and our poor tactics.

i am very dissapointed.

i will not buy any other FM game. sorry, but last year i had the same problem. after many months of waiting, it seemed that the problem was kind of solved. so i decided to buy this years game also. and again, same crap. well, not again.

probably SI wont care much about 1 customer more or less. i dont mind. i do care about 30 euros well or bad spent.

for a game that relies STRICKLY on realism and depth, this is a game breaking issue. FM has crappy graphics, no sound, no bells or whistles. the only thing it has going for it is REALISM. but all the charm is lost when you see aguero miss 5 one vs one every match for a complete season. or when you look at the season's results and only see 3 games where Real Madrid won with more than 1 goal of difference.

and do not fire the crap about "your tactics suck". no, they do not suck. my team has more than 25 shots per game on average, and concedes less than 4. i can not do any more.

so please, SI, stop playing with us and come up with a real solution to this problem.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dr.lasse:

giblets_of_fire i am glad u like the game thats fine there seem to be a couple u guys every time someone starts a thread like this, but u and your "friends" should try and open your eyes and see that the vast majority aren't that happy, in fact we have payed good money for a product were not happy with, i think that i speak for most of us when i say that we all want this game to be great, so don't get on our case for trying to improve something most of us love to play </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

when you say 'the vast majority arent that happy' what are you basing that on? Becasue im pretty sure the vast majority of people dont use these forums, there probably enjoying the game, rather than complaining about it

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Ever noticed "taught a footballing lesson" and "produced a breathtaking display" only comes up in a match report that you win by a single goal?

Usually a game you absolutely splatter them all over the pitch and win 2-1 or 3-2.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lyvean:

Don't go out and buy this game on release next year then! Do something for heaven's sake. How on earth do you think SI will change their policy of releasing broken games? By looking at some customers shouting in the forum??

VOTE WITH YOUR WALLETS PEOPLE AND YOU WILL SEE A DIFFERENCE!

P.S. gambleTL, I really feel sad for you... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I try so hard, I really do. Every year I vow not to buy the game until it's been fully patched. But then I find myself in the supermarket on some errand and I just happen to spot the new game on the shelf, (ALL-NEW! MORE REALISTIC THAN EVER! INTERNATIONAL MODULE MASSIVE OVERHAUL!) and it just jumps into my shopping basket. And then 4 hours later that familiar sinking feeling sets in and I go back to the previous version...

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">when you say 'the vast majority arent that happy' what are you basing that on? Becasue im pretty sure the vast majority of people dont use these forums, there probably enjoying the game, rather than complaining about it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

giblets_of _fire u missed my point we want to improve the game, we don't complain just for the sake of complaining, and the vast majority of this thread, forum and all the people i know who have played it aren't satisfied, if u like it play it don't come in here complaining that we want to improve the game

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Sorry, I didn't realise this forum is only for people who want to complain, I thought you were allowed to post if you like the game too,.

My mistake icon_rolleyes.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by giblets_of_fire:

i find it interesting that pretty much everyone who is complaining is mangaing the big clubs: Milan, Real madrid etc. I have done 11 seasons as manager of hitchin and have gone from conference south to league one and have yet to encounter this 'problem' (i started this game on 8.0.1.)I am having a great time, sure on some occasions i have games where i dominate and then conceed a late goal, but heck that happens week in week out in real football. The more you put into football manager, the more you get back.

I dont expect anyone to care, goodwill appears thin on the ground these days, but i find myself visting the forums less and less, becasue every time i do all see is negativity. I have several friends who own FM08 and have never been to these forums, they all very much enjoy the game. Im not saying its perfect, that would be stupid, but for me it is a very accurate portrayal of management. If companies such as codemasters and EA cant make a competant managemnet sim then i say well done SI.

*Let the flaming begin* icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is one of the major reasons why most FM "defenders" should just shut up. NOTHING PERSONAL here but against this opinnion with big clubs being hard to play with there are ten opinnions which say that playing with the best teams is easy and that's why those people don't find anything to complain as they are breezing through the matches with Man Utd, Real Madrid etc.

I only want to say that why can't these bug stuff etc. be left for SI to answer? What someone sees as a defect, some other won't notice or may like it better that way. Again, nothing against this particular poster here but this shows just how differently people realize and think about things. That makes it impossible to discuss anything here properly because most lack respect for others and can't see what others are thinking.

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