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Patch 8.0.1. Shots to Goal Ratio not fixed - SHOCKING!! SI Please answer - believe to be related to Closing down and Long shots bug

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I thought the 8.0.1 patch would fix the closing down and long shots bug by now. But no it hasn't. Long shots seems to have been toned down a little, closing down seems to sometimes work sometimes doesn't.

Before the 8.0.1 patch

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5211026...342078263#9342078263

I had poor shots to goals ration

After the patch

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3343/asadadadqs4.jpg

Still the same! Nothing has changed.

Basically this closing down and long shot bug is what is causing everyone to have 20 shots on goal but only resulting in 1 or 2 goals scored. Fair enough only 2% of the shots go in. But if the opposition win as a result of 3 - 4 shots where you had 20 thats unfair and unrealistic.

There is a game in there where Ipswich had 5 shots but NO/NOTHING/ZERO shots had hit the target AND THEY STILL SCORED!?!??! That game cost me 2 points.

Since the patch I lost in the champions league, FA cup final and my run of form in the league.

There are a load of people complaing about the number of shots per goals since the installing the patch. So its not just me

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/6542031363

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/2542009263/p/7

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076743/m/7192061363

This thread documents some problems.

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076743/m/6682090363

I believe the long shot and closing bug has not been toned down enough or at all. This is why players are shooting outside of box when told not to and missiing targets therefore resulting in 20 shots on goal.

And before you tell me to upload my games to the bugs forum I HAVE SINCE OCTOBER

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076...062040953#9062040953

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I thought the 8.0.1 patch would fix the closing down and long shots bug by now. But no it hasn't. Long shots seems to have been toned down a little, closing down seems to sometimes work sometimes doesn't.

Before the 8.0.1 patch

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5211026...342078263#9342078263

I had poor shots to goals ration

After the patch

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3343/asadadadqs4.jpg

Still the same! Nothing has changed.

Basically this closing down and long shot bug is what is causing everyone to have 20 shots on goal but only resulting in 1 or 2 goals scored. Fair enough only 2% of the shots go in. But if the opposition win as a result of 3 - 4 shots where you had 20 thats unfair and unrealistic.

There is a game in there where Ipswich had 5 shots but NO/NOTHING/ZERO shots had hit the target AND THEY STILL SCORED!?!??! That game cost me 2 points.

Since the patch I lost in the champions league, FA cup final and my run of form in the league.

There are a load of people complaing about the number of shots per goals since the installing the patch. So its not just me

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/6542031363

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/2542009263/p/7

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076743/m/7192061363

This thread documents some problems.

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076743/m/6682090363

I believe the long shot and closing bug has not been toned down enough or at all. This is why players are shooting outside of box when told not to and missiing targets therefore resulting in 20 shots on goal.

And before you tell me to upload my games to the bugs forum I HAVE SINCE OCTOBER

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076...062040953#9062040953

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Its £24.99 of my hard earn money that Ive payed and not been able to play since I first purchased it (October). Waited and waited for weeks and weeks for a decent patch to fix things. But still unable to play.

Now I have to wait till 2008 for the 8.0.2 patch icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NickBlues:

fix your tactics icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why should I fix a working tactic that creates 30 shots on goal???

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fred_the_Red:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NickBlues:

fix your tactics icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why should I fix a working tactic that creates 30 shots on goal??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

did you score 30 goals?

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Some stats using my 433 team, with Dean Ashton up front on his own:

Matches: 28

Shots: 366

On Target: 211

% of shots on Target: 58

(I don't have individual player stats from just those 28 games, so I have to go with the last 40):

Dean Ashton has scored 33 goals in 40 games from 153 shots - 97 of those shots were on target (coming in at 63% of total shots were on target).

That's a 34% success rate - ie he scores with one of every three shots on target.

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No but I expect after creating 30 chances that my players consisting of Rooney, Pato, Podolski, Fernandez and Anderson would at least put away 2 of those chances and win teams that create 4 chances.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NickBlues:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fred_the_Red:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NickBlues:

fix your tactics icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why should I fix a working tactic that creates 30 shots on goal??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do they always say its someone else's fault never the game's fair enough being a fan but being blinded to the problems is ridiculus just becaue it doesn't affect you doesn't mean its not real not all of these shots will be long shots some are absolute sitters and theres no tactic that can stop good players from suddenly losing all sense of direction when only 2yards from goal I wish there was a "shoot accurate" setting but unfortunatly their isnt just players like Henry and Rooney missing absloute sitters day in day out and some opposing centre back with 1 finishing scoring a 40 yard volley with their only shot

did you score 30 goals? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Surely the quality of chances has something to do with it?

Are you Gerard Houllier in disguise? icon_wink.gif

Well we had 26 shots today and didn't score any they had 4 great chances and scored 3 goals!

Got to be your tactics

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well ive just proved I am as compotent as said strikers the bit below should be below the "did you score 30 goals?" crack

Why do they always say its someone else's fault never the game's fair enough being a fan but being blinded to the problems is ridiculus just becaue it doesn't affect you doesn't mean its not real not all of these shots will be long shots some are absolute sitters and theres no tactic that can stop good players from suddenly losing all sense of direction when only 2yards from goal I wish there was a "shoot accurate" setting but unfortunatly their isnt just players like Henry and Rooney missing absloute sitters day in day out and some opposing centre back with 1 finishing scoring a 40 yard volley with their only shot

and sorry for need to double post I am an incompotent perfectionist a terrible combo

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Quality of chances a blind chicken could hit an open net from 6 yards with the keeper in the middle of no where but the worlds finest cant in this game

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My forwards are far from crap so it cant be my players.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2530/qweqeqeqeqeqeqewx1.jpg

My tactic works because I create 30 chances.

The game somehow stops me from scoring easy goals and preventing me winning matches I should have won.

It's not one offs. Its every game I play. My screen shots prove this

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3343/asadadadqs4.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6581/666666666iu7.jpg

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Fred, none of the threads you've linked to have any sort of statistical data backing up what they're saying. It's basically just rants based on losing matches.

If you can provide proper objective stats to back up your claims then please do so.

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Fred, creating 30 chances doesn't really mean that much as it's the quality of those chances that count.

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I just played Barnsley in the League cup as Newcastle. They raped me. They had 27 shots 13 on target. I had 13 shots 7 on target.

I won 2-3 icon_biggrin.gif

Get better players making the shots or change your tactics icon14.gif

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everyones seems to complain about these problems but i find that they dont trouble me before patch and after patch still have a nice amoutn of shots on goal that would justify my win/draw/loss and i feel long have toned down even more since the patch now at least when i instruct not to they have followed the orders 90% perfectly

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:

Punctuation also doesn't effect you it seems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn you lol as I recently said in a thread my keyboard is duff and the only punctuation I have is a full stop occasionally I should have mentioned it but forgot because I was busy mashing the keyboard trying in vain for a full stop sorry for the lack of punctuation its not my fault honest

And some chances I have seen squandered are rooney hitting it over the bar from 6 yards 3times in one game id classify that as a quality chance

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Get better players making the shots or change your tactics </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now thats advice which covers all bases

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Basically this closing down and long shot bug is what is causing everyone to have 20 shots on goal but only resulting in 1 or 2 goals scored </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont really understand how you come to that conclusion. Firstly the closing down bug is fixed, and secondly I am not aware of any proven "long shot bug" in any version of FM2008.

I cant comment further on your examples without viewing the actual matches.

However stats from a one season PL test I ran before it was released using patch code showed the following:

English Premier Division

---------------

Games played 380

Goals per match 2.39

Shots per match 23.32

Shots on target per match 12.31 (53%)

Cheers,

Paul

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hairy Coo:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Get better players making the shots or change your tactics </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now thats advice which covers all bases </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In this case the second part is almmost certainly correct.

Sure the creative part of his team is working well, but there's obviously a problem in the final third.

I'm going to guess that he's being too attacking, and too up-tempo.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:

Fred, none of the threads you've linked to have any sort of statistical data backing up what they're saying. It's basically just rants based on losing matches.

If you can provide proper objective stats to back up your claims then please do so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have no stats I'm afraid, but from where I'm sitting there has been a problem with the game creating way too many great chances for years now. This is the root of the problem imho.

And strikers do shoot too early when clear through on goal. Well mine do anyway.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and secondly I am not aware of any proven "long shot bug" in any version of FM2008. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh dear, even the ppl in charge are in denial now!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">have no stats I'm afraid, but from where I'm sitting there has been a problem with the game creating way too many great chances for years now. This is the root of the problem imho.

And strikers do shoot too early when clear through on goal. Well mine do anyway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Both true, but neither are the reason for what's going on here. Both are certainly contributing, but his match stats suggest much more is going on. I believe it's tactical.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fred_the_Red:

The game somehow stops me from scoring easy goals and preventing me winning matches I should have won.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, just wow. That's got to be the post of the year, too funny. If you are not winning it is something YOU are doing, it's not the game going out of it's way to cheat you. When I lose a match I may yell at my monitor or curse my bad luck but then I go back and try to figure out what I could have done better instead of blaming the coding of the game.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nojanana:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and secondly I am not aware of any proven "long shot bug" in any version of FM2008. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh dear, even the ppl in charge are in denial now!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Prove him wrong, then. There's a bugs forum and FTP available to you for this purpose.

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There is a long shot bug or was they claim anyway there was loads of stuff about it on the bugs forum for beta2 they even admited it

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clint dempsey scoring a hatrick, all 3 goals from 25-30yards with long shots of 10, isnt a bug??

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nojanana:

clint dempsey scoring a hatrick, all 3 goals from 25-30yards with long shots of 10, isnt a bug?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it's coincidence.

Holding up one match and saying it proves a bug's existence or not is just daft.

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The long shots thing might not be, but are we accepting that there is still a problem with shots?

I'm getting far too many every game.

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that was just one game i could remember from 8.0.0......there were others but that one kind of stayed in my mind

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fred_the_Red:

I thought the 8.0.1 patch would fix the closing down and long shots bug by now. But no it hasn't. Long shots seems to have been toned down a little, closing down seems to sometimes work sometimes doesn't.

Before the 8.0.1 patch

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5211026...342078263#9342078263

I had poor shots to goals ration

After the patch

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3343/asadadadqs4.jpg

Still the same! Nothing has changed.

Basically this closing down and long shot bug is what is causing everyone to have 20 shots on goal but only resulting in 1 or 2 goals scored. Fair enough only 2% of the shots go in. But if the opposition win as a result of 3 - 4 shots where you had 20 thats unfair and unrealistic.

There is a game in there where Ipswich had 5 shots but NO/NOTHING/ZERO shots had hit the target AND THEY STILL SCORED!?!??! That game cost me 2 points.

Since the patch I lost in the champions league, FA cup final and my run of form in the league.

There are a load of people complaing about the number of shots per goals since the installing the patch. So its not just me

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/6542031363

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/2542009263/p/7

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076743/m/7192061363

This thread documents some problems.

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076743/m/6682090363

I believe the long shot and closing bug has not been toned down enough or at all. This is why players are shooting outside of box when told not to and missiing targets therefore resulting in 20 shots on goal.

And before you tell me to upload my games to the bugs forum I HAVE SINCE OCTOBER

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076...062040953#9062040953 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fix the game LOL

fix my tactics

or

new patch - start new game

or

i'm not good at this game - blame SI

or

you cant win every game

or

i played same formation so I should win

or

I support ManYoo

(apologies for last comment)

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buckfast:

lol. Your name is "Cameron Kwong" what a stupid name </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was below-the-belt.

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This occurance is not a bug per se, but it obviously is a problem for people, mayhap SI could make the game more intuitive? I have never had any player convert 1/3 chances in over 200 seasons total (across all FM releases)but of course my tactics are responsible for this. Also mayhap the more 'senior' posters could use their noggins and steer clear of these topics instead of saying (EVERY GODDAMN TIME) 'well I don't have any problems making Average Mcaveragepants score 50 goals from 52 chances' because its the wrong side of helpful and the right side of bragging.

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I'm in way agreeing with the OP, but it might help if SI made available a tactic which would prove once and for all that tactical tweaks prevent this problem.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">English Premier Division

---------------

Games played 380

Goals per match 2.39

Shots per match 23.32

Shots on target per match 12.31 (53%) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd be interested to see these stats broken down by player position.

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Edit: sorry I had one player who scored from basically every chance he had but that was FM05 one of the most ludicrous games I've ever played(I loved it at the time but Jesus if I had to play that again I'd kill myself because it took surrealism to new limits, Exhibit A being said player single handedly taking apart every team in the world, Exhibit B being Liverpool winning the premiership for 17 season in a row until I won it and they promptly got relegated the next season).

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Agrees with Fred.

Almost every game I have like 3-4 times more shots than my opponent, and I aint winning, thats for sure..

Seem to have this problem only when im playing attacking football with quick tempo..

Anyone else who can confirm the same?

Feltus

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:

Fred, creating 30 chances doesn't really mean that much as it's the quality of those chances that count. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know but I have 3 or 4 sitters. I mean I create 20 chances per game on average. Lets say half of those were wasted long shots.

I still have 10 decent shots on goal. 3 or 4 of them are one on ones, 6 yards shots that players like Rooney, Pato, Podolski, Fernandez should score from.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PaulC:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Basically this closing down and long shot bug is what is causing everyone to have 20 shots on goal but only resulting in 1 or 2 goals scored </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont really understand how you come to that conclusion. Firstly the closing down bug is fixed, and secondly I am not aware of any proven "long shot bug" in any version of FM2008.

I cant comment further on your examples without viewing the actual matches.

However stats from a one season PL test I ran before it was released using patch code showed the following:

English Premier Division

---------------

Games played 380

Goals per match 2.39

Shots per match 23.32

Shots on target per match 12.31 (53%)

Cheers,

Paul </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well from what I can see, the reason for a high number of shots is from players shooting from distance and players not closing them down. They just shoot from situations where they can either pass to someone who free on the wing or making runs forward. Shooting aimlessly outside of the box trying to score.

If you take a look at these games I posted you will see that I have my MCa on long shots set to rarely. Yet he takes 6-8 shots from outside of the box. Ive followed suggestion of toning down the creative freedom which I have to the point where its 2 notche before normal and it still happens. http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/4982071363

I will upload games for you give for to anlayse. You should get them tomorrow morning.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hairy Coo:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Get better players making the shots or change your tactics </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now thats advice which covers all bases </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In this case the second part is almmost certainly correct.

Sure the creative part of his team is working well, but there's obviously a problem in the final third.

I'm going to guess that he's being too attacking, and too up-tempo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said before my fowards are these Rooney, Pato, Podolski, Fernandez at the peak of their career age 24,25,26,27. I can't get any better players then those really.

I dont think I play a high tempo game or if there are anything wrong with my tactics.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4237/aaaaaaaaaasv3.jpg

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:

Fred, none of the threads you've linked to have any sort of statistical data backing up what they're saying. It's basically just rants based on losing matches.

If you can provide proper objective stats to back up your claims then please do so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My god I have stats up inthe first post that says 30 shots, 20 on target 1 goal scored.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8099/manuwesthambn2.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1200/wqeqweqeqeqy8.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8476/aaaaaaaaaaqt2.jpg

There like 10 examples there and one the first post I posted 4 treads about people with the same problem.

Heres another

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/521102691/m/4072091363

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sweed:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fred_the_Red:

The game somehow stops me from scoring easy goals and preventing me winning matches I should have won.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, just wow. That's got to be the post of the year, too funny. If you are not winning it is something YOU are doing, it's not the game going out of it's way to cheat you. When I lose a match I may yell at my monitor or curse my bad luck but then I go back and try to figure out what I could have done better instead of blaming the coding of the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am winning 90% of my games but my players have to create 30 chances to score 1 or 2 goals.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nojanana:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and secondly I am not aware of any proven "long shot bug" in any version of FM2008. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh dear, even the ppl in charge are in denial now!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Prove him wrong, then. There's a bugs forum and FTP available to you for this purpose. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fcuk sakes Ackter why you acting like there is no problem with longs shots. Like I said I believe the closing down is link. Players down close down therefore allowing long shots to take place. I admit it has been tone down but still seems to be here.

You want more examples..... here

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076...122062653#2122062653

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076...712090063#7712090063

http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9482076...822019353#2822019353

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlayerX:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buckfast:

lol. Your name is "Cameron Kwong" what a stupid name </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was below-the-belt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes. harsh but fair.

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OK here's a real world stat for comparison:

Team Man City (season so far)-

Games played 13

Goals 15

shots : on target 75

shots : off target 63

Another random stat (season so far):

Games played 13

Manchester United have had most Shots On Target (49), most Shots Off Target (55), most Shots Per Goal. (26.00) and most Corners (51)

See the 26 shots per goal stat? ;p

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""Like I said before my fowards are these Rooney, Pato, Podolski, Fernandez at the peak of their career age 24,25,26,27.""

This must mean that you haven't started a new game with that patch because you couldn't have played through 3 seasons THAT quickly?

If you did correct me but if you haven't maybe you need to start a new game for the full effects of the patch to work correctly.

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I am one of the few who complained about the long shot bug after beta patch 1.

After patching, i had lesser long shots even though when i increase my player creativity, i like it the way as it is.

If SI tweaked the shots to goal ratio, wouldn't we get high scoring games more(which some peeps complained about) and maybe some ridiculous scoreline at the end of the day?

Finally, if SI tweaked it, i believe some peeps will complained they have world class attacking players but do not have more shots more than their opponents.

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