moj Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 there is a new personality - arrogant, a regen had one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundo Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Thanks for the response Lyssien. I definitely noticed a difference when tutoring my promising youngsters - in terms of development and like you said I my have to strike a balance between Loyalty and Ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puluzu Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Anyone have any idea what I should do with 2 of my young full backs who both have very low sportmanship? The personalities are unsporting and realist. The tutors I could assign to them are fairly professional and resilient and have slightly higher detemrination and influence. I guess it's almost impossible to tell what will happen but it doesn't hurt to ask. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nr. 9 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 If your tutors do not have any obvious weaknesses (doesn't like the big matches or something) I would try to go with them. If your young players are unsporting, tutoring them will not make them more unsporting. Their sporting attribute will almost certainly increase, but you will never be sure by what amount. If you want to be sure you will have to sign someone who is "honest", "fairly sporting", "sporting", "model citizen" or anything else where high sportmanship is known to tutor your youngsters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puluzu Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Well I just noticed they don't know any of the same languages so I guess it's no use trying it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Toye Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Isn't this using a third party application to hack into the games database? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Romania Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I have a problem when choosing the mentor. Let's say I have a young lad. I can't choose for him a mentor which I want . It just allows me one player from the team(in player interaction). Is there a possibility to choose another mentor for that teenager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZdlR Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 The drop down list that you can select from is usually populated by players who are deemed 'similar' to the youth. Generally, this is anyone who is accomplished in the same position as the youngster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Romania Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 The drop down list that you can select from is usually populated by players who are deemed 'similar' to the youth. Generally, this is anyone who is accomplished in the same position as the youngster. yes , but let's say I have a yougster who is AM and I have in my team 5 AM, in the drop down list is just one of that 5 AM, so it is not like I can choose from those 5. I can just to agree the one assigned or not. Is there another way to assign another player for that youngster in the game menu???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 yes , but let's say I have a yougster who is AM and I have in my team 5 AM, in the drop down list is just one of that 5 AM, so it is not like I can choose from those 5. I can just to agree the one assigned or not. Is there another way to assign another player for that youngster in the game menu???? If another player's not available it could be because he's already tutoring, or because his squad status is too low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaoicy Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 hmm what might be the stat for flamboyant player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompe Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Isn't that a player description, xiaoicy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdtalbot Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 No I dont think so. There is only one player in the world who should have all the hidden mental attributes above 17 imo..and thats is Maldini He should be a "Model Citizen"... There are very few Born Leader personalities in the game, as well. I know Raul and possibly Maldini have it, but I don't know of any more off the top of my head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Rudd Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 There are a few players in the 9.3.0 database with the attributes for a Model Citizen. None of them are particularly well-known. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burford Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 There are very few Born Leader personalities in the game, as well. I know Raul and possibly Maldini have it, but I don't know of any more off the top of my head. john terry has it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaoicy Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 oh ya.. sry.. my bad.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miksu Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Hmh, first time ever I see personality "I Don't Believe It". Here's the screenshot (Imageshack): Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickooko Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Spirited: Pressure > 14 & Professionalism = 15-17 & Temperament > 9. I think this has been updated, professionalism should be 11-17 instead of 15-17. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrEdwierd Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 In this case what should i be looking for in the perfect tutors? I mean sometimes i buy a player that is not even as good as the player hes going to be tutoring.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrEdwierd Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 For instance i have a 18 year old DC with the lable "Unsporting" How would i alter this and help him get to his potential and aquire a good tag? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomheadshot45 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 DrEdwierd I think if you got a sporting tutor that would balance it out, but I'm not 100% on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_A_N Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 There are very few Born Leader personalities in the game, as well. I know Raul and possibly Maldini have it, but I don't know of any more off the top of my head. on my file joao moutinho is charismatic leader, that is the first time i have seen it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chibbydude Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 A very good post, has anyone thought about listing all the player personalities and then listing what best fits that personality for tutoring purposes? i know it would be time consumming and most of them would be common sense but think it would come very useful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrEdwierd Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 That would be really helpful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callumth Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I had one which was 'past it' and it said that the player should be given a hotel room on the ground floor due to his tendency to fall off balconies. I think it was probably aimed at a New York Cosmos-era George Best, but in this case it was one of my 15-year olds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I had one which was 'past it' and it said that the player should be given a hotel room on the ground floor due to his tendency to fall off balconies.I think it was probably aimed at a New York Cosmos-era George Best, but in this case it was one of my 15-year olds. It's one of the SI's staff in the game. They appear as regens. Try searching 'faceinthegame' and scout them, and you'll see a lot of funny personalites... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 hmm what might be the stat for flamboyant player? 20 for Flair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simsalabim Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Is it possible to tutoring players from beeing an unambitious player to an proffessional/resolute player? Done step by step over years.. Has anyone found out which attributes you affect with tutoring: -Role modelling? -Learning? -Aproach to game? Can a player be a "role model" for a younger player despite having less determination than him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackDavies Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Excellent post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Can a player be a "role model" for a younger player despite having less determination than him? The tutee's determination WILL drop; therefore, you'd want to follow this tuition with being tutored by a player with higher determination to bring it back up. I only ever set up a tutor relationship like this if the tutor's DET is 1 lower, maximum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kajito99 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Do things like important matches get affected by tutoring? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Do things like important matches get affected by tutoring? Not tutoring; that improves through age and experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwieniawski Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I had a player who was described as a "relentless perfectionist" Is this any different from a regular "perfectionist"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkle P Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I tried to translate this very interesting list in french in order to share it with the french community. Unfortunatelly, the translation isn't always obvious so I decided to use FMRTE and deal with the attributes to quickly find the accurate word used in the french version. For example, an obvious one : Loyalty = 5 & Ambition = 20 = Very ambitious = "Très ambitieux" in french. I thought it was going to be easy ... but it wasn't. I've found out that several "definitions" (see OP) weren't really accurate or even sometimes were just incorrect. I restarted the test from the beginning, using a "test player" of average attributes in order to find the correct boundaries. As the list has be done in 2008, I guess a few things have evolved since then. Here's what I've found from now on. I've retranslated from french to english to share it here, I hope there are no translation mistake : Ambition: linked with Loyalty Unambitious: < 6 ???? DO NOT WORK Fairly ambitious: 15 or 16-20 + Loyalty 10-20 Ambitious: 15-19 + Loyalty 1-9 Very ambitious: 20 + Loyalty 1-9 Loyalty: linked with Ambition Fairly loyal: 15-17 or 18-20 + Ambition 8-14 Loyal: 18-19 + Ambition 1-7 Very loyal: 20 + Ambition 1-7 Devoted: Loyalty = 20 & Ambition = 6-7 ??? DO NOT WORK Determination: Linked with Ambition Easily Discouraged: 1 ???? DO NOT WORK Low Determination: 2-5 ???? DO NOT WORK Fairly determined : 15-17 or 18-20 + Ambition 1-9 Determined : 18-19 + Ambition 10-20 or 15-20 + Ambition 1-15 + Professionnalism 15-20 Motivated : 20 + Ambition 10-20 Professionnalism: Linked with Temperament and/or Determination Slack: 1 + Determination < 10 ???? DO NOT WORK Casual: 2-4 & Determination < 10 ???? DO NOT WORK Resolute: Determination = 15-17 & Professionalism = 15-17 ???? DO NOT WORK Fairly professional: 15-17 or 18-20 + Temperament 1-9 Professional: 18-19 + Temperament 10-20 Model professionalism: 20 + Temperament 10-20 Sportsmanship: Linked with Determination Unsporting: 1 ???? DO NOT WORK Realist: 2-4 ???? DO NOT WORK Fairly fair play: 15-17 or 18-20 + Determination 10-20 Fair Play Sporting: 18-19 + Determination 1-9 Honest: 20 + Determination 1-9 Influence: Linked with Determination Leader: 19-20 + Determination 1-19 Born leader: 20 + Determination 20 Pressure: Linked with Determination Spineless: 1 & Determination < 10 ???? DO NOT WORK Low Self-Belief: 2-3 & Determination < 10 ???? DO NOT WORK Resilient: 17-19 + Determination 15-17 Iron Willed: 20 + Determination 15-17 Others (they usually have the priority over the one quoted above): Driven: Sportsmanship 15-20 + Pressure 15-20 + Temperament 10-20 Jovial: Professionalism 1-10 + Pressure 15-20 + Temperament 10-20 Spirited: Professionalism 11-17 + Pressure 15-20 + Temperament 10-20 Perfectionnist: 18-20 for Determination, Ambition, Professionalism Model Citizen: 18-20 for Determination, Ambition, Professionalism AND 10-20 for Loyalty, Pressure, Professionalism, Temperament, Sportsmanship Balanced: All the others Temperamental: Temperament 1-4 ???? DO NOT WORK Here’s the list of all the personnalities that didn’t work: Devoted: Loyalty = 20 & Ambition = 6-7 Easily Discouraged: Determination = 1 Low Determination: Determination = 2-5 Slack: 1 + Determination < 10 Casual: 2-4 & Determination < 10 Resolute: Determination = 15-17 & Professionalism = 15-17 Unsporting: Sportsmanship = 1 Realist: Sportsmanship = 2-4 Spineless: Pressure = 1 & Determination < 10 Low Self-Belief: Pressure = 2-3 & Determination < 10 Temperamental: Temperament = 1-4 Does anyone know which attributes come into play for the "missing" personalities? I've already tried several like Temparement, Determination and a few others but I just can't find them back. Or else, if you found some players with what I call "missing personalities" (ie slack, realist, temperamental, etc.), please give me their name and I'll try to find what is missing myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Rudd Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Try investigating newgens with the relevant attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinaldo Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Does anyone know what stats an arrogant player needs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkle P Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Try investigating newgens with the relevant attributes. I don't think it is about newgens or "real" players, it's about finding players with a personality for which the attributes are yet to be defined. The attributes given by Lissien in 2008 might have worked for FM08 but aren't correct any more for FM10. Especially for those ones : Devoted, Easily Discouraged, Low Determination, Slack, Casual, Resolute, Unsporting, Realist, Spineless, Low Self-Belief, Temperamental. I have corrected the others when needed. If you find players with one of these personalities (no newgens), please let me know (their name) and I'll try to find out the attributes. Does anyone know what stats an arrogant player needs? Is "arrogant" considered as a personality? Do you have the name of a player related to it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Rudd Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 The reason I mentioned newgens is that I've heard - and this may or may not be true - that real players weren't given bad personality descriptions even when their attributes matched them. So you'd never find (for example) Spineless among the real players, even if they did have Pressure = 1 and Determination < 10. ETA: Let's investigate specific players. What personality do you get for Paul Codrea (Romania, Siena)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinaldo Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I don't think it is about newgens or "real" players, it's about finding players with a personality for which the attributes are yet to be defined.The attributes given by Lissien in 2008 might have worked for FM08 but aren't correct any more for FM10. Especially for those ones : Devoted, Easily Discouraged, Low Determination, Slack, Casual, Resolute, Unsporting, Realist, Spineless, Low Self-Belief, Temperamental. I have corrected the others when needed. If you find players with one of these personalities (no newgens), please let me know (their name) and I'll try to find out the attributes. Is "arrogant" considered as a personality? Do you have the name of a player related to it? Well I don't know any, but on FM09 I had an arrogant regen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkle P Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 The reason I mentioned newgens is that I've heard - and this may or may not be true - that real players weren't given bad personality descriptions even when their attributes matched them. So you'd never find (for example) Spineless among the real players, even if they did have Pressure = 1 and Determination < 10. You might be right on the fact that no "real" player were given bad personality, it's quite difficult to find out. What I've discovered while "checking" different players is that they have whether "Description" or "Personality" in their personal informations. I don't know which words are exactly used in the english version but it must be quite the same. "Description" stands for the relatively unknown players. The adjective used is usually "Normal" or "Unknown" (whatever the real personality is). "Personality" can only be seen if the player as a good reputation (international players for example), is a member of your team or has been supervised. So it is all the more difficult to find obscure players with bad personalities (as they are usually fairly unknown). I don't think it's a newgen particularity though. It's just that their attributes are fixed randomly so you are really more likely to see good or even excellent players (newgens) with crappy mental stats (what never happens for the "real" players). ETA: Let's investigate specific players. What personality do you get for Paul Codrea (Romania, Siena)? I've supervised (observed ?) this player and his personality is set to "Balanced". In FMRTE i saw this : Adaptability is 18 (but seems to never give any special personality) Pressure (1) & Determination (5) don't "create" a spineless personality (remember : Spineless: 1 & Determination < 10 = DO NOT WORK) His bad note in Temperament (3) doesn't give him a temperamental personality neither (ie : Temperamental: Temperament 1-4 = DO NOT WORK) All the other attributes are average : Loyalty, Ambition, Sportsmanship (10) & Profesional, Controversy (12). Influence is set at 8. CA/PA is 124/145. Reputation is 3844/6200/6820 My guess is that there might be other attributes involved. Or else, it's just that these personalities aren't used anymore (that's one of the reasons why I'm asking for help). Do you have something different in your game for this player? EDIT : Oh damn, you're right!!! I've made new tests on a newgen and the bad personalities "appeared" like in a magic trick! Temperamental: Temperament 1-4 works fine. I'm gonna check the other ones to make it clear but that's a really surprising news (and totally illogical). There are a few "good" ones left anyway ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkle P Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 After a new range of tests on newgens for the "bad" personalities, I can confirm this (I've corrected the notes & attributes when needed) : Unambitious : Ambition = 1-6 Devoted: Loyalty = 20 & Ambition = 6-7 Easily Discouraged: Determination 1 Low Determination: Determination 2-5 Slack: Professionalism 1 + Determination 1-9 Casual: Professionalism 2-4 + Determination 1-9 Unsporting: Sportsmanship = 1 + Determination 11-17 Realist: Sportsmanship 2-4 + Determination 11-17 Spineless: Pressure 1 & Determination 1-9 Low Self-Belief: Pressure = 2-3 & Determination 1-9 Temperamental: Temperament = 1-4 This work ONLY with newgens. This one is still undefined (but doesn't belong to the "bad" list): Resolute: Determination = 15-17 & Professionalism = 15-17 ???? If you know a player with this personality, please let me know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitjabarbic Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 gerard pique has it on my game.... although i am in the year 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkle P Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I started a new game and Pique is "Ambitious" with the following attributes : Ada: 16 - Amb: 18 - Loy: 8 – Pres: 15 – Pro: 14 - Sport: 17 – Temp: 12- Con: 11 ==> ambitious (Amb: 15-19 + Loy : 1-9) + Determination = 16 & Influence = 14 Lyssien gave "Resolute" = Determination 15-17 + Professionalism 15-17. The notes fit to Pique but not the adjective found in-game. I've tried several other possibilities with FMRTE on Pique plus tests on a newgen but I can't find this damn "resolute" personality ! It switches to "driven", "jovial" or "spirited" depending on the attributes modified but never on "resolute". I must have missed something ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasilli07 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I have a couple of players on 'resolute'... Corluka Ada: 13 - Amb: 14 - Loy: 15 – Pres: 13 – Pro: 16 - Sport: 17 – Temp: 15 - Con: 8 Determination = 17 & Influence = 13 Afellay Ada: 9 - Amb: 17 - Loy: 12 – Pres: 13 – Pro: 16 - Sport: 17 – Temp: 11 - Con: 3 Determination = 15 & Influence = 16 Kameni Ada: 16 - Amb: 18 - Loy: 12 – Pres: 10 – Pro: 16 - Sport: 15 – Temp: 13 - Con: 12 Determination = 16 & Influence = 11 Shelvey Ada: 13 - Amb: 16 - Loy: 15 – Pres: 13 – Pro: 15 - Sport: 15 – Temp: 8 - Con: 2 Determination = 16 & Influence = 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Jie Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 For Pique, he fits into the "Ambitious" and "Spirited" personality, which takes precedence over his "Resolute" personality. Try lowering his ambition and pressure stat to below 15, perhaps his resolute nature will show. Anyway, I looked over personnel with "resolute" personality in my game and found one regen, who has 18 determination but listed as resolute. Reason is because he has 9 for ambition, which moved him out of the "determined" personality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkle P Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I have a couple of players on 'resolute'... Thanks for the list. I've checked the 4 players with the usual procedure : I launch a newgame, send a scout to observe the players then check the personalities. All 4 were "Determined". As usual, I modified the attributes in order to find "resolute" but failed again. Lowering the ambition or the pressure leads nowhere. The only trend I see is : Profesionalism = 15-17 & Sportsmanship = 15-17 (what Lyssien gave in the OP actually). Maybe Pressure, Ambition, Influence : 10-14 & Determination = 15-17 ? I've checked a lot of possibilities, on "real" and newgen players and it is still going nowhere. In FM Genie Scout, "Resolute" appears among other adjectives (in the scout reports) when Decision = 15-20. I've made some tests on this attibute (even if doesn't seem to be used to "create" the personalities) without success (again ...). I'm starting to wonder if there is an Ingame factor that can explain this phenomenon. Let's check again what Lyssien said in the OP : Often, a player may be eligible to be described by more than one personality descriptions. In this case, you are still going to see only one description. As a rule, Professional> Determined> Realist> Resilient> Light-Hearted> Spirited> Resolute> Jovial. What is to the lft, takes precedence. This means that if a player is both Realist and Spirited, in the game he is going to be described as "Realist". From what I've seen from now on, that seem to be pretty correct. If I follow this logic : Determined = Determination 18-19 + Ambition 10-20 or Determination 15-20 + Ambition 1-15 + Professionnalism 15-20 And : Resolute (Lyssien's definition): Determination = 15-17 & Professionalism = 15-17 How the hell can "Resolute" appear then?? Is it about tutoring? Morale? Reputation? I tried to increase both, nothing "shown". Winning a competition? What else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasilli07 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Corluka and Kameni are not tutored at all. Their decisions are Corluka - 14, Kameni - 13, Afellay - 12 and Shelvey - 14 Bosi - Regen Ada: 9 - Amb: 15 - Loy: 13 – Pres: 13 – Pro: 16 - Sport: 18 – Temp: 13 - Con: 5 Determination = 17 & Influence = 14 Decision - 12 O.Jansson Ada: 16 - Amb: 14 - Loy: 13 – Pres: 12 – Pro: 16 - Sport: 15 – Temp: 16 - Con: 12 Determination = 15 & Influence = 7 Decision - 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen Jie Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 From what I've seen from now on, that seem to be pretty correct. If I follow this logic : Determined = Determination 18-19 + Ambition 10-20 or Determination 15-20 + Ambition 1-15 + Professionnalism 15-20 And : Resolute (Lyssien's definition): Determination = 15-17 & Professionalism = 15-17 Determination 15-20 + Ambition 1-15 + Professionnalism 15-20 will not likely to give you a determined personality. Reason is because Professionalism takes precedence over Determined. You will be more likely to see Model Professional, Professional, Perfectionist, Driven or Fairly Professional. I find it bewildering that you can't find any resolute personalities around. It is uncommon but not as rare as you deem. If you manage a big club, just go to your player search panel in scouting. Do not filter out any players, go to "Views/Scout-Main", if you have some scouts roaming the world, you will see that the personality is available for scouted players, just do a sort and you will see all of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yooooz84 Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 CAn we change a player with unambitious personality ?? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasilli07 Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Yes...just get him tutored. If it's successful, his personality will change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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