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AJetsOf   

ddm = determination + discipline + motivating

strength, aerobics

fit * 9 + ddm * 2

>= 270 -> 7

>= 240 -> 6

>= 210 -> 5

goalkeeper

gk * 2 + ddm

>=90 -> 7

>=80 -> 6

>=70 -> 5

tactics

tac * 2 + ddm

>=90 -> 7

>=80 -> 6

>=70 -> 5

ball control

tec * 6 + men * 3 + ddm * 2

>=270 -> 7

>=240 -> 6

>=210 -> 5

defense

def * 8 + (tac + ddm) * 3

>=360 -> 7

>=320 -> 6

>=280 -> 5

attack

att * 6 + tac * 3 + ddm * 2

>=270 -> 7

>=240 -> 6

>=210 -> 5

shooting

tec * 6 + att * 3 + ddm * 2

>=270 -> 7

>=240 -> 6

>=210 -> 5

set pieces

(att + men + tec) * 3 + ddm * 2

>=270 -> 7

>=240 -> 6

>=210 -> 5

example:

strength, aerobics

fit 20 + ddm>= 45 =7

fit 19 + ddm>= 50 =7

fit 18 + ddm>= 54 =7

fit 17 + ddm>= 59 =7

goalkeeper

gkp 20 + ddm>= 50 =7

gkp 19 + ddm>= 52 =7

gkp 18 + ddm>= 54 =7

gkp 17 + ddm>= 56 =7

gkp 16 + ddm>= 58 =7

gkp 15 + ddm>= 60 =7

tactics

tac 20 + ddm>= 50 =7

tac 19 + ddm>= 52 =7

tac 18 + ddm>= 54 =7

tac 17 + ddm>= 56 =7

tac 16 + ddm>= 58 =7

tac 15 + ddm>= 60 =7

defense

def 20 + (tac+ ddm)>=67 =7

def 19 + (tac+ ddm)>=70 =7

def 18 + (tac+ ddm)>=72 =7

def 17 + (tac+ ddm)>=75 =7

def 16 + (tac+ ddm)>=78 =7

def 15 + (tac+ ddm)>=80 =7

Example

Some people have difficulty understanding the way I presented it, so here's an example:

Open Meulensteen in the data editor:

det=18 dis=18 mot=18

ddm=18+18+18=54

tac=15

att=18

def=12

Tactics Rating:

15 *2 + 54 = 84 -> 6 star

Attack Rating:

18 *6 + 15 * 3 + 54 *2 = 261 -> 6 star

Defense Rating:

12 * 8 + (15 + 54) * 3 = 303 -> 5 star

In a game where a coach (here I used Reulensteen as an example) has those stats, that's the training star rating they will get, as computed above. Depending on your luck, you might get a better or worse Reulensteen than the default setting.

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AJetsOf   

Not sure how it is set, but it wasn't a factor in the star numbers in 08 and earlier 09 patches. Probably a more hidden effect with youngsters I would assume.

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AJetsOf   

I posted this in another forum and some people didn't understand so I'll give an example:

Open Meulensteen in the data editor:

det=18 dis=18 mot=18

ddm=18+18+18=54

tac=15

att=18

def=12

Tactics Rating:

15 *2 + 54 = 84 -> 6 star

Attack Rating:

18 *6 + 15 * 3 + 54 *2 = 261 -> 6 star

Defense Rating:

12 * 8 + (15 + 54) * 3 = 303 -> 5 star

Of course, in game the numbers float a bit so it's not exactly spot on until you start a game and look at the numbers.

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SiN8   

This is awesome. Can I ask you how you came up with the formulas? I'd imagine it's quite tough to come up with the weights for each of the attributes.

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I posted this in another forum and some people didn't understand so I'll give an example:

Open Meulensteen in the data editor:

det=18 dis=18 mot=18

ddm=18+18+18=54

tac=15

att=18

def=12

Tactics Rating:

15 *2 + 54 = 84 -> 6 star

Attack Rating:

18 *6 + 15 * 3 + 54 *2 = 261 -> 6 star

Defense Rating:

12 * 8 + (15 + 54) * 3 = 303 -> 5 star

Of course, in game the numbers float a bit so it's not exactly spot on until you start a game and look at the numbers.

I hate seeming like an idiot and asking whats probably a stupid question but i dont completly understand, i dont get the *2 bit like for the tactics rating its 15 *2 + 54=84, wheres the *2 come from?

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Maz   
I posted this in another forum and some people didn't understand so I'll give an example:

Open Meulensteen in the data editor:

det=18 dis=18 mot=18

ddm=18+18+18=54

tac=15

att=18

def=12

Tactics Rating:

15 *2 + 54 = 84 -> 6 star

Attack Rating:

18 *6 + 15 * 3 + 54 *2 = 261 -> 6 star

Defense Rating:

12 * 8 + (15 + 54) * 3 = 303 -> 5 star

Of course, in game the numbers float a bit so it's not exactly spot on until you start a game and look at the numbers.

yeh the editor imo is misleading. u can't find more than 3 7* coaches if u use the editor.

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Maz   
I hate seeming like an idiot and asking whats probably a stupid question but i dont completly understand, i dont get the *2 bit like for the tactics rating its 15 *2 + 54=84, wheres the *2 come from?

i'll try to post a more straight forward one and see i u can understand that.

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the example was a tactical coach

his tactics was 15 so u multiply that by 2 which gives you 30.

then u add the DDM which is 54

30+54 would come to a 6 star tactics coach as shown in the first post

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the example was a tactical coach

his tactics was 15 so u multiply that by 2 which gives you 30.

then u add the DDM which is 54

30+54 would come to a 6 star tactics coach as shown in the first post

Thats what i thought but for different coaches its multiplied by different numbers and i couldnt figure out why so i didnt think it was that.

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im not maths boff but AJETSOF must use the *(number) to give a more accurate higher number to be sure the formula was right then hes broke it down into the examples.

just a way of checking really

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Maz   

ok try this. if u have a coach who has

20 for tactics his ddm should egual to 50 for u to get a 7* rating

19 for tactics his ddm should equal to 52

18 for tactics his ddm should equal to 54

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ddm = determination + discipline + motivating

strength, aerobics

fit * 9 + ddm * 2

>= 270 -> 7

>= 240 -> 6

>= 210 -> 5

goalkeeper

gk * 2 + ddm

>=90 -> 7

>=80 -> 6

>=70 -> 5

tactics

tac * 2 + ddm

>=90 -> 7

>=80 -> 6

>=70 -> 5

ball control

tec * 6 + men * 3 + ddm * 2

>=270 -> 7

>=240 -> 6

>=210 -> 5

defense

def * 8 + (tac + ddm) * 3

>=360 -> 7

>=320 -> 6

>=280 -> 5

attack

att * 6 + tac * 3 + ddm * 2

>=270 -> 7

>=240 -> 6

>=210 -> 5

shooting

tec * 6 + att * 3 + ddm * 2

>=270 -> 7

>=240 -> 6

>=210 -> 5

set pieces

(att + men + tec) * 3 + ddm * 2

>=270 -> 7

>=240 -> 6

>=210 -> 5

example:

strength, aerobics

fit 20 + ddm>= 45 =7

fit 19 + ddm>= 50 =7

fit 18 + ddm>= 54 =7

fit 17 + ddm>= 59 =7

goalkeeper

gkp 20 + ddm>= 50 =7

gkp 19 + ddm>= 52 =7

gkp 18 + ddm>= 54 =7

gkp 17 + ddm>= 56 =7

gkp 16 + ddm>= 58 =7

gkp 15 + ddm>= 60 =7

tactics

tac 20 + ddm>= 50 =7

tac 19 + ddm>= 52 =7

tac 18 + ddm>= 54 =7

tac 17 + ddm>= 56 =7

tac 16 + ddm>= 58 =7

tac 15 + ddm>= 60 =7

defense

def 20 + (tac+ ddm)>=67 =7

def 19 + (tac+ ddm)>=70 =7

def 18 + (tac+ ddm)>=72 =7

def 17 + (tac+ ddm)>=75 =7

def 16 + (tac+ ddm)>=78 =7

def 15 + (tac+ ddm)>=80 =7

Hats off to you for all the effort you've put in there!

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Yonezzz   

Oh, many thanks for this! Do we know, though, whether someone who just scrapes into the 7-star category will give worse training results than someone who has 20 for all relevant categories (for example, a goalkeeper coach who had 20 for gk, mot, det, and disc)?

Or is it (still?) a case that you only need to aim for a light workload? Sorry if these are all common knowledge but I'm still new to these things. :(

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Maz   

well what i would like to know is with a 7 star training do the players improve their attributes quickly or is this just another cosmetic feature? do we really need 7* training say for a youngster who has a PA of 190? does he achieve his PA quickly or will it improve at a normal rate?

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I actually understand now, thanks for simpifying it for me everyone, and of course thanks AJetsOf for coming up with this. I was pretty embarassed by the amount of people who understood and i didnt because i unreal at maths at school lol

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a 7 star is a 7 star coach so more over the number wont affect. but its always better to get them abit over the required number as coaching stats can go down like players stats.

shame u cant train staff or put them on coaching courses

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Oh, many thanks for this! Do we know, though, whether someone who just scrapes into the 7-star category will give worse training results than someone who has 20 for all relevant categories (for example, a goalkeeper coach who had 20 for gk, mot, det, and disc)?

Or is it (still?) a case that you only need to aim for a light workload? Sorry if these are all common knowledge but I'm still new to these things. :(

I would expect the higher the better as to code only 7 discrete levels of training would be a bit simplistic.

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Maz   

but do players improve quickly like this or normal? thats a question i'd like someone to answer. SI we need help

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MAZ

its combined first team football and training but having better coaches will improve him more.

i mean if you have 6 stars on every coach im sure he will reach his potential maybe abit more slower then 7 stars. if you had 1 stars in every coach is unlikely he will become as good.

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Yonezzz   
I would expect the higher the better as to code only 7 discrete levels of training would be a bit simplistic.

As would I! I guess that does mean that there is another formula that we don't know about, related to attribute increases and rates thereof, and it might be rather more complex.

I guess in the meantime I'll just aim for as many stars as possible! :thup:

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Lyssien   
Oh, many thanks for this! Do we know, though, whether someone who just scrapes into the 7-star category will give worse training results than someone who has 20 for all relevant categories (for example, a goalkeeper coach who had 20 for gk, mot, det, and disc)?

Or is it (still?) a case that you only need to aim for a light workload? Sorry if these are all common knowledge but I'm still new to these things. :(

13xForever gave you a good answer. Realistically speaking, even if the game takes more levels into account for coaching (which I seriously doubt, because it wouldn't make sense from the programmer's perspective), this is bound to make such a little difference, that it is not going to be discernible.

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I ran the numbers and on a quick run through this should show what stats are needed in whats positions based on the above formula.

fit det dis mot =

20 180 20 40 20 40 5 10 270 270

20 180 20 40 19 38 6 12 270

20 180 20 40 18 36 7 14 270

20 180 20 40 17 34 8 16 270

20 180 20 40 16 32 9 18 270

19 171 20 40 20 40 10 20 271 270

19 171 20 40 19 38 11 22 271

19 171 20 40 18 36 12 24 271

19 171 20 40 17 34 13 26 271

19 171 20 40 16 32 14 28 271

18 162 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270

18 162 20 40 19 38 15 30 270

18 162 20 40 18 36 16 32 270

18 162 20 40 17 34 17 34 270

18 162 20 40 16 32 18 36 270

17 153 20 40 20 40 19 38 271 270

17 153 20 40 19 38 20 40 271

GK det dis mot =

20 40 20 20 10 90 90

20 40 20 19 11 90

20 40 20 18 12 90

20 40 20 17 13 90

20 40 20 16 14 90

19 38 20 20 12 90 90

19 38 20 19 13 90

19 38 20 18 14 90

19 38 20 17 15 90

19 38 20 16 16 90

18 36 20 20 14 90 90

18 36 20 19 15 90

18 36 20 18 16 90

18 36 20 17 17 90

18 36 20 16 18 90

17 34 20 20 16 90 90

17 34 20 19 17 90

17 34 20 18 18 90

17 34 20 17 19 90

17 34 20 16 20 90

tac det dis mot =

20 40 20 20 10 90 90

20 40 20 19 11 90

20 40 20 18 12 90

20 40 20 17 13 90

20 40 20 16 14 90

19 38 20 20 12 90 90

19 38 20 19 13 90

19 38 20 18 14 90

19 38 20 17 15 90

19 38 20 16 16 90

18 36 20 20 14 90 90

18 36 20 19 15 90

18 36 20 18 16 90

18 36 20 17 17 90

18 36 20 16 18 90

17 34 20 20 16 90 90

17 34 20 19 17 90

17 34 20 18 18 90

17 34 20 17 19 90

17 34 20 16 20 90

tec(ball control) men det dis mot =

20 120 20 60 20 40 20 40 5 10 270 270

20 120 19 57 20 40 19 38 8 16 271

20 120 18 54 20 40 18 36 10 20 270

20 120 17 51 20 40 17 34 13 26 271

20 120 16 48 20 40 16 32 15 30 270

19 114 20 60 20 40 20 40 8 16 270 270

19 114 19 57 20 40 19 38 11 22 271

19 114 18 54 20 40 18 36 13 26 270

19 114 17 51 20 40 17 34 16 32 271

19 114 16 48 20 40 16 32 18 36 270

18 108 20 60 20 40 20 40 11 22 270 270

18 108 19 57 20 40 19 38 14 28 271

18 108 18 54 20 40 18 36 16 32 270

18 108 17 51 20 40 17 34 19 38 271

17 102 20 60 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270

17 102 19 57 20 40 19 38 17 34 271

17 102 18 54 20 40 18 36 19 38 270

def tac det dis mot = 360

20 160 20 60 20 60 20 60 7 21 361

20 160 19 57 20 60 19 57 9 27 361

20 160 18 54 20 60 18 54 11 33 361

20 160 17 51 20 60 17 51 13 39 361

20 160 16 48 20 60 16 48 15 45 361

19 152 20 60 20 60 20 60 10 30 362 360

19 152 19 57 20 60 19 57 12 36 362

19 152 18 54 20 60 18 54 14 42 362

19 152 17 51 20 60 17 51 16 48 362

19 152 16 48 20 60 16 48 18 54 362

18 144 20 60 20 60 20 60 12 36 360 360

18 144 19 57 20 60 19 57 14 42 360

18 144 18 54 20 60 18 54 16 48 360

18 144 17 51 20 60 17 51 18 54 360

18 144 16 48 20 60 16 48 20 60 360

17 136 20 60 20 60 20 60 15 45 361 360

17 136 19 57 20 60 19 57 17 51 361

17 136 18 54 20 60 18 54 19 57 361

att tac det dis mot = 270

20 120 20 60 20 40 20 40 5 10 270

20 120 19 57 20 40 19 38 8 16 271

20 120 18 54 20 40 18 36 10 20 270

20 120 17 51 20 40 17 34 13 26 271

20 120 16 48 20 40 16 32 15 30 270

19 114 20 60 20 40 20 40 8 16 270 270

19 114 19 57 20 40 19 38 11 22 271

19 114 18 54 20 40 18 36 13 26 270

19 114 17 51 20 40 17 34 16 32 271

19 114 16 48 20 40 16 32 18 36 270

18 108 20 60 20 40 20 40 11 22 270 270

18 108 19 57 20 40 19 38 14 28 271

18 108 18 54 20 40 18 36 16 32 270

18 108 17 51 20 40 17 34 19 38 271

17 102 20 60 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270

17 102 19 57 20 40 19 38 17 34 271

17 102 18 54 20 40 18 36 19 38 270

tec(shooting) att det dis mot = 270

20 120 20 60 20 40 20 40 5 10 270

20 120 19 57 20 40 19 38 8 16 271

20 120 18 54 20 40 18 36 10 20 270

20 120 17 51 20 40 17 34 13 26 271

20 120 16 48 20 40 16 32 15 30 270

270

19 114 20 60 20 40 20 40 8 16 270

19 114 19 57 20 40 19 38 11 22 271

19 114 18 54 20 40 18 36 13 26 270

19 114 17 51 20 40 17 34 16 32 271

19 114 16 48 20 40 16 32 18 36 270

18 108 20 60 20 40 20 40 11 22 270 270

18 108 19 57 20 40 19 38 14 28 271

18 108 18 54 20 40 18 36 16 32 270

18 108 17 51 20 40 17 34 19 38 271

17 102 20 60 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270

17 102 19 57 20 40 19 38 17 34 271

17 102 18 54 20 40 18 36 19 38 270

att(set pieces) men tec (sub tot) det dis mot = 270

20 20 20 180 20 40 20 40 5 10 270

20 20 20 180 20 40 19 38 6 12 270

20 20 20 180 20 40 18 36 7 14 270

20 20 20 180 20 40 17 34 8 16 270

20 20 20 180 20 40 16 32 9 18 270

270

19 19 19 171 20 40 20 40 10 20 271

19 19 19 171 20 40 19 38 11 22 271

19 19 19 171 20 40 18 36 12 24 271

19 19 19 171 20 40 17 34 13 26 271

19 19 19 171 20 40 16 32 14 28 271

18 18 18 162 20 40 20 40 14 28 270 270

18 18 18 162 20 40 19 38 15 30 270

18 18 18 162 20 40 18 36 16 32 270

18 18 18 162 20 40 17 34 17 34 270

17 17 17 153 20 40 20 40 20 40 273 270

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jeyjey07   
ddm = determination + discipline + motivating

strength, aerobics

fit * 9 + ddm * 2

>= 270 -> 7

>= 240 -> 6

>= 210 -> 5

[...]

How did you get all those theories ?

By trying over and over in-game ?

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Got to say a huge thanks for this. Just noticed my 7* coaches had all vanished (bar Renshaw on "Strength") and with these formulas I've managed to get the best coaches possible so that I have one 7*, seven 6* and one 5* (shooting). Can't do any better than that without unrealistically stealing the likes of McClair and Meulensteen from Man Utd (I'm Man City), so I'm delighted. Cheers!

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nick1408   

I really don't understand the formula. I think I must be a bit simple. Has someone made a set of filters we can download?

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raffious   

Why did they change this and make it so hard?

I had lovely perfect 7-star coaches across the board and now they're all 3/4 stars.:(

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Maz   

to be honest it should of been like this from the start. imo they got the timing all wrong and the way they've done it is wrong aswell.

IMO they could of put in say 30 - 50 7* coaches and these coaches would only sign for highly reputable clubs. now you really wouldnt expect man utd or real madrid to have 5* coaches when its teams like these that are competing to be the best. thoughts?

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Bizzy D   

I don't get much out of the first post. I take my fys coach in Arsenal Tony Colbert. He has 18 in fitness, 12 Determination, 18 Discipline and 14 in Motivation and I take what said in the first post. Fit = 18 * 9 + ddm * 2 but thats 412 and still I only got a six start training... Whats its It am doing wrong here guys ? am I counting it wrong or what ? 412 is not even on your first post or something close ;E

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raffious   

I think the problem (if there is one) is that top clubs don't sign the top coaches and set up top training systems.

It's far too hard now IMO, I've just done a quick search for DDM14+ and there was 38, that's without the coaching-specific attributes, so there's very few 7*s about; and I have good scouting knowledge.

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Maz   
I think the problem (if there is one) is that top clubs don't sign the top coaches and set up top training systems.

It's far too hard now IMO, I've just done a quick search for DDM14+ and there was 38, that's without the coaching-specific attributes, so there's very few 7*s about; and I have good scouting knowledge.

yeh i did the same using the pre game editor and got the same result or there abouts. but it is just daft unless the regen coaches are any good then no one will really have a 7* coach.

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I don't get much out of the first post. I take my fys coach in Arsenal Tony Colbert. He has 18 in fitness, 12 Determination, 18 Discipline and 14 in Motivation and I take what said in the first post. Fit = 18 * 9 + ddm * 2 but thats 412 and still I only got a six start training... Whats its It am doing wrong here guys ? am I counting it wrong or what ? 412 is not even on your first post or something close ;E

Are you sure you calculated properly? I got 250 from the stats you given, so it falls under >= 240 -> 6 and below >= 270 -> 7, which means is 6 stars.

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Lyssien   
I don't get much out of the first post. I take my fys coach in Arsenal Tony Colbert. He has 18 in fitness, 12 Determination, 18 Discipline and 14 in Motivation and I take what said in the first post. Fit = 18 * 9 + ddm * 2 but thats 412 and still I only got a six start training... Whats its It am doing wrong here guys ? am I counting it wrong or what ? 412 is not even on your first post or something close ;E

We have,

Fit*9 = 18*9 = 162

ddm*2 = (12+18+14)*2 = 44*2 = 88

So,

Fit*9 + ddm*2 = 162 + 88 = 250

Your coach has 250 coaching points. 250 is greater than 240 but smaller than 270, so he gets 6 stars.

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Maz   

colbert would need 18 in fitness and 18 for ddm. his total ddm should come to 54 to get 7*

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raffious   
yeh i did the same using the pre game editor and got the same result or there abouts. but it is just daft unless the regen coaches are any good then no one will really have a 7* coach.

Well, the present set of coaches are bad enough.:) I doubt the regens will be better and I don't wanna have to wait for them.

I don't see why they needed to change it, the game's hard enough as it is. The top clubs and best managers should employ the best coaches anyway, why restrict the supply?

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