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Inquiry: How do you turn your club professional?

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For those who start their managing careers with a semi-professional team...

What steps do you take to encourage your board to make the jump to professional status?

I've tried with over 30 different teams and still haven't found the right strategy to make my team a professional one.

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For those who start their managing careers with a semi-professional team...

What steps do you take to encourage your board to make the jump to professional status?

I've tried with over 30 different teams and still haven't found the right strategy to make my team a professional one.

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My Kettering side are pro in Blue Square Premier, so I don't think its connected to playing league football.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neil220779:
My finances are not good, so I don't think its that either.

Surely if you sign up all your players and staff to f/t contracts then you would become pro? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. Doesn't work like that.

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In my current save, Burton, Weymouth, Stafford, and Histon all have "secure" finances in the BSP with more than 1.5M USD in 2010. All of those clubs are semi-professional.

In a previous save (on 07), I managed to get Montrose into SD1 but we were still semi-pro.

I wish someone could post some kind of official news. I would have thought some of the DAFUGE Challenge folks would know the answers for sure.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
<STRIKE>Promotion </STRIKE> [B]REPUTATION[/B] is the key. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fixed.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
<STRIKE>Promotion </STRIKE> [B]REPUTATION[/B] is the key. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fixed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think it is entirely down to rep, tbh.

In Gundo's challenge thread, one user stated that if you get £5,000,000 in the bank, you turn Pro.

I turned Pro with £1,500,000 in the bank, and 7 league titles in a row.

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with my experience it takes a mix of things, secure finances to finance wages etc, enough income to stop the club losing vast ammounts of cash.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by McNeil:
with my experience it takes a mix of things, secure finances to finance wages etc, enough income to stop the club losing vast ammounts of cash. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since i've turned pro, i've begun to hemorrhage money. From 12-15k gains a month to 80-100k losses a month.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danielgear:
wouldnt advise taking players on FT if finances arent good enough could come back to haunt you should you get relegated or underperform financally </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can get players to go f/t on the same terms as they are on as p/t so it doesn't affect finances.

Maybe its simply a board's choice whether to go pro or not.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neji:
<STRIKE>Promotion </STRIKE> [B]REPUTATION[/B] is the key. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fixed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think it is entirely down to rep, tbh.

In Gundo's challenge thread, one user stated that if you get £5,000,000 in the bank, you turn Pro.

I turned Pro with £1,500,000 in the bank, and 7 league titles in a row. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that it is exactky reputation that determines it.

We have determined it's not promotion.
We have determined it's not s pre-set financial point.
We have clarified it's not related to part-time full-time players.
We have clarified it's not related to success in Cup competitions.

The only thing that makes sense is that it is calculated by an amalgamation of all of the above and that is done by........ yep, you guessed it. REPUTATION.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img].

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neil220779:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danielgear:
wouldnt advise taking players on FT if finances arent good enough could come back to haunt you should you get relegated or underperform financally </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can get players to go f/t on the same terms as they are on as p/t so it doesn't affect finances.

Maybe its simply a board's choice whether to go pro or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

NO you can't.

Your average player will demand a higher basic wage to sign a full-time contract than he will accept as terms of a part-time contract.

Sometimes you can get them on the same money but this is not a hard and fast rule, it is the exception.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neil220779:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danielgear:
wouldnt advise taking players on FT if finances arent good enough could come back to haunt you should you get relegated or underperform financally </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can get players to go f/t on the same terms as they are on as p/t so it doesn't affect finances.

Maybe its simply a board's choice whether to go pro or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

NO you can't.

Your average player will demand a higher basic wage to sign a full-time contract than he will accept as terms of a part-time contract.

Sometimes you can get them on the same money but this is not a hard and fast rule, it is the exception. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea I agree here.

Sometimes i try to offer my £55 a week semi-pro player a pro contract for that amount, and they say they would prefer signing a semi-pro deal and decline. Bump those wages up a few quid to £120 a week, and they are more than happy to go Pro.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NepentheZ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by McNeil:
with my experience it takes a mix of things, secure finances to finance wages etc, enough income to stop the club losing vast ammounts of cash. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since i've turned pro, i've begun to hemorrhage money. From 12-15k gains a month to 80-100k losses a month. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats because the club uses up more money, think about it, behind the scenes employees needed to keep the club running all day every day, costing more money in bills leaving lighting, heating etc on longer. [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img] its normal to be gaining less money due to being a Pro side to a Semi-Pro

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I don't mean reputation by local/national.continenta;/worldwide.

I mean a figure that is reached by an amalgamation of success in league games, Cup competitions, the signing of players, the reputation of players, the financial security of the club, the facilities of the club... EVERYTHING.

That;s what I think we have.

I think that there is a numerical figure for eputation, that triggers the clubs change, (either to or from professionalism), when it is reached either way.

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I think I understand your point. Sort of like "old money" vs. the "nouveau riche"?

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fi3ryicy:
does turning the club status to semi-pro or higher up affect the club in any way? like the player who would want to join the club or attendance on match days?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Generally, players would be more attracted to your club. However, if your wage bill is tight some of your current players may refuse to go full-time since they'd actually lose income!

One of the main benefits should be full-time training, but then again your facilities and coaching might render that rather unimpressive.

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In my Vauxhall game, we turned pro at the mid of the fifth season, our first in League 2. From the first day, all players had full time contracts, I simply got rid of those who were not willing to sign them. I just wanted them to train seriously as I expected it to be relativly hard to do anything with Vauxhall... which turned not to be the case, mostly thanks to stupidly good Paul Taylor, speaking of which...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by phnompenhandy:
One of the main benefits should be full-time training, but then again your facilities and coaching might render that rather unimpressive. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Paul Taylor at the start of game:
[url="http://www.vitadei.hr/pt/before.gif"]http://www.vitadei.hr/pt/before.gif[/url]

Paul Tayor at the end of fifth season:
[url="http://www.vitadei.hr/pt/after.gif"]http://www.vitadei.hr/pt/after.gif[/url]

Still with starting training facilities, and limited staff, so I'd say that players can definitely benefit from training [img]http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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