Yzzy442 for 9.2. Strikers on rampage:)

[Yzzycz]

Just try it. Is for better teams,you need 2 good MD with good passing skill and creativity/decision plus one taller striker on right and smaller fast/good technique/dribling striker on left. It works for me.Strikers are SCORING lots of goals...i saw first time hatrick...actually 2 of them in short space of time.

Tactic which i used for 9.1 was the Knapp one and it was fantastic but it no longer work for me anymore so i recreated that one for 9.2. Playing for Arsenal; Won against Liverpool 4:1 away,MU 4:2 at home ...West Bromwich 5:0 away...try it.

http://www.savefile.com/files/1941738

[phenomx3]

Will give it a bash sunshine. Sounds promising. How many games you played with it? What pair of strikers is needed? Big/Small? Both quick?

[townley12inch]

it wont let me download the tactic off this site

EDIT: Never mind i got it about to try it out

[Yzzycz]

Will give it a bash sunshine. Sounds promising. How many games you played with it? What pair of strikers is needed? Big/Small? Both quick?

I using Bendtner on right,Aguero or Vela on left.

[stufair]

I using Bendtner on right,Aguero or Vela on left.

Using Arsenal also at the moment so thought I would try this and it is going well so far creates plenty of chances.

[Yzzycz]

Will give it a bash sunshine. Sounds promising. How many games you played with it? What pair of strikers is needed? Big/Small? Both quick?

ohh and i allready play half of the season with this tactic.Just one loss against Barcelona away(i beat them 2:0 home so it is me who progress to quaterfinals:) )and one draw against Reading also away.Played like 24 games.

[Yzzycz]

I don't know if downloaded tactic also set playmakers and target man.In case it does not i have set 2 midfielders as playmakers and tall right striker as target man.Also i set Veloso to do all free kicks,he is on MD/DM post.Fabregas is not geting that good rating but he does his job...duno why.

[townley12inch]

i like it! working well for me with low prem team some bad results tho. dominating every match creating alot of clear cut chances not scoring that many tho not tactics fault jsut player confidence i think

[Yzzycz]

i like it! working well for me with low prem team some bad results tho. dominating every match creating alot of clear cut chances not scoring that many tho not tactics fault jsut player confidence i think

Glad to hear it works with lower team too:) I was curious about it and in future i will try with Leyton.

[Hammer1000]

Thought i would give this a go with my West Ham side, i have recently started season 2 and have a pretty good team assembled.

I have installed the latest patch, but my game was started on the previous patch.

W 2-0

W 2-0

W 2-0

W 2-0

D 0-0

D 0-0

W 2-0

W 2-0

L 0-2

W 1-0

D 1-1

W 3-2

Played 12 Won 8 Drew 3 Lost 1 For 17 Against 5

Brilliant, the problem is, i've been here before in FM09 quite a few times, then all of a sudden the goals dry up and before long, i find i have gone on a long winless run?

Amazing that we are led to believe that teams need to get used to a tactic and that once the team has gelled things will get even better, but i have found the absolute OPPOSITE is true, start off great scoring goals and keeping clean sheets, then suddenly the goals dry up, then the performances get worse and worse as the squad gelling gets better and better?

I'd love for that not to be the case this time, but its happened in EVERY game i have started so far, so cannot believe this one will be any different?

Great tactic though, playing some amazing football and could be bagging 5 goals a game if i could stop hitting the woodwork 6 times every match and if my strikers would stop passing the ball back to the opposing keeper when 1 on 1?

[Landsverk]

Maybe it works because they are not used to it yet then hehe

[Hammer1000]

Case in point - Half Time statistics from last two games

The game looks to have become utterly random?

[Mike Dodgson]

Hammer - whats your team like?

I use a knap style tactic but am keen to try this... my problem always seems to be the type of football that the tactics produce... and i want something that looks mor easy on the eye!

[Hammer1000]

Hammer - whats your team like?

I use a knap style tactic but am keen to try this... my problem always seems to be the type of football that the tactics produce... and i want something that looks mor easy on the eye!

My Players do you mean?

Green

Faubert

Molinaro

Thiago Silva

Mosquera

Behrami

Gavilan

Noble

De La Red

Then any 2 strikers from Ashton, Gignac, Hulk and Saviola

Hope this helps

[Mike Dodgson]

You team sounds good - what is your Attacking & Shooting training ratings?

[Wijnand fens]

I give it a try with Feyenoord.

Let you know the results

[Hammer1000]

You team sounds good - what is your Attacking & Shooting training ratings?

Errrrrrrrrrrrr, i dont know mate? i have not touched training at all tbh.

[Les Girondins]

Thought i would give this a go with my West Ham side, i have recently started season 2 and have a pretty good team assembled.

I have installed the latest patch, but my game was started on the previous patch.

W 2-0

W 2-0

W 2-0

W 2-0

D 0-0

D 0-0

W 2-0

W 2-0

L 0-2

W 1-0

D 1-1

W 3-2

Played 12 Won 8 Drew 3 Lost 1 For 17 Against 5

Brilliant, the problem is, i've been here before in FM09 quite a few times, then all of a sudden the goals dry up and before long, i find i have gone on a long winless run?

Amazing that we are led to believe that teams need to get used to a tactic and that once the team has gelled things will get even better, but i have found the absolute OPPOSITE is true, start off great scoring goals and keeping clean sheets, then suddenly the goals dry up, then the performances get worse and worse as the squad gelling gets better and better?

I'd love for that not to be the case this time, but its happened in EVERY game i have started so far, so cannot believe this one will be any different?

Great tactic though, playing some amazing football and could be bagging 5 goals a game if i could stop hitting the woodwork 6 times every match and if my strikers would stop passing the ball back to the opposing keeper when 1 on 1?

Yup this is exactly what I have noticed.

The whole thing is going in reverse.

It makes the game really pointless as no matter how good your tactics are you are going to go backwards .. unless you are Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd etc with the resources to compensate.

I think there is something wrong with the player fatigue stat or something along those lines - its the only way I can explain the way the team just grinds to a halt every 10-15 games.

FM 09 really is shaping up to be a total turd.

[Mike Dodgson]

Errrrrrrrrrrrr, i dont know mate? i have not touched training at all tbh.

I'd look into it - what I've found is that each aspect of the game needs to be at its best - I think that's where your lacking consistency.

If you strikers Attacking & Shooting training isn't up to standard - this could be a factor in them not finishing chances.

I'd definitely look into this - there are plenty of schedules out there that work well - DarkStarr's for example works very well.

[Hammer1000]

Yup this is exactly what I have noticed.

The whole thing is going in reverse.

It makes the game really pointless as no matter how good your tactics are you are going to go backwards .. unless you are Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd etc with the resources to compensate.

I think there is something wrong with the player fatigue stat or something along those lines - its the only way I can explain the way the team just grinds to a halt every 10-15 games.

FM 09 really is shaping up to be a total turd.

Two more Home games after the Blackburn defeat(final score 0-1)

[Hammer1000]

Last 3 Home games

I've had 15 CCC's - scored 2 goals

Opposition 2 CCC's - scored 2 goals

Dont want to get into a "SuperKeeper" debate, but ALL 3 games the opposing GK got MOM award

[Hammer1000]

I'd look into it - what I've found is that each aspect of the game needs to be at its best - I think that's where your lacking consistency.

If you strikers Attacking & Shooting training isn't up to standard - this could be a factor in them not finishing chances.

I'd definitely look into this - there are plenty of schedules out there that work well - DarkStarr's for example works very well.

Always worried these 3rd party training schedules will cause even more injuries than i'm currently getting?

Might be worth a shot though, thanks for pointing it out!

[Mike Dodgson]

Always worried these 3rd party training schedules will cause even more injuries than i'm currently getting?

Might be worth a shot though, thanks for pointing it out!

I don't experience many more injuries that normal - don't be afraid to use them, people have worked hard to create them and they get great results.

They're specialised too - theres a scedule for a target man, a schedule for a striker for example - so you can tune it to your needs.

It seems like your creating loads of chances but not puttin them away, so in my opinion you need to:

1) Download and use a training scedules & assign your players accordingly

2) Make sure your coaches are top class and you get as higher ratings for each department as possible

This should help your strikers put away those chances.

[kiwityke]

Yup this is exactly what I have noticed.

The whole thing is going in reverse.

It makes the game really pointless as no matter how good your tactics are you are going to go backwards .. unless you are Chelsea, Arsenal, Utd etc with the resources to compensate.

I think there is something wrong with the player fatigue stat or something along those lines - its the only way I can explain the way the team just grinds to a halt every 10-15 games.

FM 09 really is shaping up to be a total turd.

A great big shinny turd to be exact.

Just played Sao Paulo have only conceded 10 goals all season in the league, after 25 games. I took an early lead. Then Sao Paulo score 7 yes 7 goals with all 7 shots they had! It was at this point the game somehow got turned off!

I just can't get into the game it seems so random, and any real world football knowledge seems to be useless.

Am going to give this tactic a try tomorrow I think.

[Hammer1000]

I don't experience many more injuries that normal - don't be afraid to use them, people have worked hard to create them and they get great results.

They're specialised too - theres a scedule for a target man, a schedule for a striker for example - so you can tune it to your needs.

It seems like your creating loads of chances but not puttin them away, so in my opinion you need to:

1) Download and use a training scedules & assign your players accordingly

2) Make sure your coaches are top class and you get as higher ratings for each department as possible

This should help your strikers put away those chances.

Cheers Mike - I think i might just do that!

Here is a screenshot from my next Home game, nothing outrageous on its own, but the same can be said about the others, it when you look at them collectively(as in them being one game after the other) that causes all the frustration.

This is now last 4 home games

Created 17 CCC's - scored 2 goals

Conceded 3 CCC's - conceded 3 goals

Over the season so far, the AI has a .85 scoring record per CCC, whilst my own is more like 0.15 thats not even funny?

Then you get this

[knap]

Hammer

I've just looked at this tactic and bar a minor tweak it is my 9.1 tactic so I know how these tactics perform,and have tried many options to try to cue this issue. Post patch the tactic works for about half a season and then starts to fail even with Chelsea. The most consistent atm is the 442 tactic I just released.

If I can chance I will have a look at stats as I have a lot of data.

[Wijnand fens]

I give it a try with Feyenoord.

Let you know the results

Here the results:

Home Win 3-0 (PSV Eindhoven) !!!!!!! league

Away Lose 2-3 (Club Brugge) friendly

Away Lose 0-1 (AZ Alkmaar) League (own goal in 92th minute)

Away Win 2-0 (Vitesse) League

Away Lose 0-2 (Twente) Cup

Home Win 2-0 (FC Groningen) League

Home Win 4-2 (FC Utrecht) League

Away Lose 0-2 (Willem II) League

Not the tactic for me.

But thanks for sharing

[Yzzycz]

Hammer

I've just looked at this tactic and bar a minor tweak it is my 9.1 tactic so I know how these tactics perform,and have tried many options to try to cue this issue. Post patch the tactic works for about half a season and then starts to fail even with Chelsea. The most consistent atm is the 442 tactic I just released.

If I can chance I will have a look at stats as I have a lot of data.

It is created from your tactic as i said.For sure there is more then minor tweak into it thou.You played wider formation fast speed.Your tactic is established on wingers.I cut the wingers of with crossing,ordered long shots for MD and mixed long for strikers also changed strikers and MD run.I set playmakers and target man.You doing like i just stole someone tactic. As i remember i sended you message about your tactic is not working for me anymore with new patch and told you i have redone yours and it works great for me so you can try it.BTW i wrote that at first post.

[Murchadh]

Hammer....

I have a number of things to say regarding your situation (and others in a similar one) based on what I have noticed:

Your problem seems to relate to the two basic issues in football (read: not in the game, but in football)...(1) putting away chances created and (2) preventing the opposition to score their chances.

Forget territory, possession and everything else you may have heard from anyone else. It is utterly irrelevant if you have 90% possession and fashion 20 chances in a game, if you cannot manage to put away any of those chances. I have read most of your posts on the forum about how your team "dominates" and yet still manages to lose. I repeat, in order to win a game of footy it does not matter how much you "dominate" in the least bit. Surely it must dawn on you that since you dominate possession and create a multitude of chances, that actually HAVING a multitude of chances and a lot of possession is not how you win games. Arsenal IRL is a perfect example of how possession domination alone means zero. In basic terms, in order to win you need to only touch the ball a couple of times and create exactly ONE chance, then put it away and prevent the opposition from scoring ANY of the chances they create. Simple.

It is absolutely NO co-incidence that you managed to put 4 past Man U away yet struggled against far lesser sides at home.

I refer to Arsenal IRL again. No co-incidence that they can put in fantastic performances against big teams and then fail to overcome the lesser ones. The solution to all your problems is right there.

Let's us deal with (1):

Forget about CCCs, the most useless stat in the game. The game cranks out a CCC when your 19 pace striker is running at the goalie from the halfway line with not a defender in sight. However, it also says "CCC" when your attacker is attempting to blast home from 3 meters with a defender on his back, another attempting to kick his legs off and three more of them closing down angles at close range. I have no idea how the ME works really but I can work some things out from observation and common sense and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that Mr. 19 Pace has a far greater chance of scoring than Mr. Trying To Beat Through Ten Defenders.

(Speaking of chances. Don't be fooled by the stats and numbers. It is a mistake thinking that if you create 20 chances and your opposition only 1 that you have a 20 times greater chance to win the game.)

Man United surely is not going to sit back and wait for you to come at them, no they are going to pound away at your goal, AS A RESULT, leaving huge spaces for your team to play into. Fulham? I bet my bottom dollar that they put 11 men behind the ball and played counter attack of some or another sort and either scored a lucky goal or a striker latched onto a through ball in a very good position where you had crucial people OUT of position.

Where are the spaces for you to play into? Yes I know TTF advocates playing a controlling possession game against such tactics but I totally get mixed results when doing so because since there is no space to play into scoring depends a lot on sheer brilliance (30 yard thunderbolt) or sheer luck (out muscling a few defenders in a crowded area and scoring a deflected shot). It is RARE (and by nature and logic it should be) that you are going to see mazy dribbles and strikers skinning defenders when attempting to break through defensive walls.

The common approach around possession football being advocated seems to center around short passing and slow based buildups from the back. I can see where they are coming from but frankly it doesn't work consistently against the AI unless you are lucky enough to get every single setting in the whole tactic 100% perfect I guess. Moreover, the idea is that you "lure" the other team out... and then what? ... you start your SLOW short passing build-up??? Nope.

Personally I have problems with the whole 442 system and this match engine. Yes it does work but it creates a bland brand of football when you have a fairly good side UNLESS you try to play a quick counter kind of game which often looks good but is not defensively 100% because by relying on fullbacks to bomb forward in support you leave holes right there.

Anyway, looking at your passing percentages I am going to assume you are not actually playing a global short passing game else you would have had far higher percentages. So what is it? Direct for defenders, mixed midfield and short attack? Other way round?

My team is blessed with a lot of pacey players and even though I do not actually play with the counter attack button on, I tend to make use of that speed by playing a type of fast paced counter attacking game and this is how I score the majority of my goals: MC tackles opposing player in my part of the field, wins ball, hits it direct to AMC who plays in either Winger or Striker. Winger runs forward hugging line and crosses to the multitudes breaking from deep or when in a good position the Striker just makes for the goal on his own as quick as possible. Most of the time I do not have to go through defenders because since my Striker and Wingers are bombing close to the defenders I get a lot of clear chances (does not mean CCCs). My attacking game is open play based and not possession based even though I tend to have by far bigger slices of the possession in games.

As for (2):

How did all those teams that scored against you actually score? You need to check because it will provide the clues on how to cut them off.

I mean, it isn't necessarily your fault and although I mean no disrespect to anyone, but many of the tactical setups are leading people down the wrong path because I am convinced that there are quirks to this ME that logical thinking cannot be applied to.

Let me give you a few examples.

Logic would tell me that if I was playing against two strikers then I ought to put a defensive marker on each of them, right? Ok, so when I am faced with a lone striker two defenders would overwhelm him, right? All wrong.

I have tried this time and again and this ME has severe problems getting two defenders to take care of a single striker. Then again, maybe I am just too thick to make it work properly, anyhow... Time and again the single striker tends to get the ball while he is somewhere in between the two central defenders spatially. It does not matter if he is actually in front of them still because if he is half decently quick he can break through the gap leaving the defenders having to make a diagonal run (always longer) towards him instead of being able to run forward to meet him. At other times, if the enemy runs down the line either side, either through beating a wide defender or via the wide defender being out of position, the DCs creep towards the line alongside which the enemy is running. I guess this is sticking to my instructions cause they are set to close down own area. Yet, the closest defender to the Striker leaves but the tiniest space, and lo and behold the striker runs onto some cross or throughball and the defenders are playing catch up. Even more incredulously...

If you have a DC with good pace, positioning and jumping ability you can mark TWO strikers with your lone DC. Yep, for some reason the single DC with the exact same instructions as having 2 DCs does not allow the Strikers to stand next to him near the offside line. He either stands back ever so slightly to keep them a little ways in front of him or in the case of marking a single striker, hugs him like a new lover. Turns out the AI is not so smart and tends to spend a lot of time trying to play in strikers via high direct balls. This must be a feature of their play against better teams yet it does not work so well since a single DC cuts off those through balls 90% of the time either by being behind the striker/s and heading it away or rushing forward (easier to do than waiting for a ball or turning to meet a ball) and meeting the ball in front of the striker/s. Moreover, there are only two dangers in this situation...a striker with high jumping ability (17+) and a striker that is very fast (17+). Luckily high jumpers tend to be slow and pacers tend to be short....yet, situations occur where a tall striker lays off to a fast striker and in such situations the DC is in big trouble (there are ways around this problem too).

Why do you think most everyone advocates the concepts of an FCa and an FCd in a two man attack? Why is it traditional to use one tall striker and one fast, technical striker? If a tall striker can get his head to a ball before the DC does AND he manages to lay off the ball to either the other striker or an advanced Midfielder, then you have an advantageous 2v1 situation immediately. IF your tall one managed to this in a position where he managed to draw one of the defenders forward, then you could potentially have a 3v1 situation. (Disregarding what goes on at your back). So if this is what works in attack, then you have to attempt to work out how to stop this from happening to you.

Of course I not going to advocate you playing with one DC but I am trying to make a long-winded point. By having a largely attacking tactic you ARE going to create spaces for the opposition to counter you in. That is the nature of how the 442 system works.

Then again: Maybe you do have it all sorted already and there really is a problem with the game.

[Murchadh]

One last thing...

As far as strikers failing to put away good scoring opportunities, I am going to assume it must have something to do with the hidden "one on one" stat (I have not gone into the editor to verify) since in my game I have three strikers with very similar finishing, composure and decisions, yet one of them puts goals away religiously whilst the other two are nowhere near as accurate.

Unless of course I am missing something.

[Zikerek]

It works ok until half time... I don't get it. I was leading 3:1 and draw 3:3 without any fu... changes in game style, my opponent also didn't changed tactic .

[Hammer1000]

One last thing...

As far as strikers failing to put away good scoring opportunities, I am going to assume it must have something to do with the hidden "one on one" stat (I have not gone into the editor to verify) since in my game I have three strikers with very similar finishing, composure and decisions, yet one of them puts goals away religiously whilst the other two are nowhere near as accurate.

Unless of course I am missing something.

Appreciate the effort that has gone into your reply, although i am aware of a lot of the things you mention and understand that using THIS and other tactics like it, can produce results like the above, i just think that it happens too often, especially under the circumstances i'm witnessing in 2D/3D

Conceding Goals

If i were mostly conceding goals because of getting caught on the counter, as you would tend to expect with this tactic, i would understand that i might need to make changes to help stop it happening, but that is really not the case, here are how i concede 95% of goals

Missed interceptions - Simple clearances or touches that would immediately diffuse a dangerous situation, now if i had two Titus Brambles in my DC positions, again no complaints, but i have two World Class defenders who are wanted by the biggest clubs in the World.

Pacey Players - Often with very poor first touch, dribbling, technique and stamina can take on my whole back four, having received the ball in the middle of the pitch and still have the energy to smash the ball in the back of the net.

Set Pieces - Conceding 30 yard free kicks to players with terrible stats or tiny players(jumping 4) "getting above" my big DC's to score from corners.

25 yards plus wondergoals - From players who have NEVER even scored a goal before in their career and have a long shot stat of just 5 or 6.

Basically, the goals i'm conceding i can do little about, from a tactical point of view, in fact i would rather concede in ways i knew were tactical weakness's, then i could try to find a fix.

Scoring Goals

My top scorer last season Gignac who scored 14 in 22 EPL games, has this season managed just 3 goals in 43 shots and he is missing from the most ridiculous of chances, that even 3rd division players would tap home 9 times out of 10.

He has high attributes in, dribbling, technique, jumping, heading, stamina, strength, off the ball, finishing, composure, determination, long shots and to go with all that, Superb morale.

My other 3 strikers are all very good too and fairing much better than Gignac, but none outstanding, yet as with my defenders, they are all wanted by alot of very big clubs.

So basically, if i was seeing tactical weaknesses, at the back that were costing me goals and if i was not creating good and often great chances up front, i could look to improve things tactically and/or in my approach, but this is not the case, so messing with the tactics is not really an option, as i'm more likely to inadvertently make the tactic worse rather than better.

I am willing to discuss this further should you wish and like i say, i appreciate your input!

[Murchadh]

Appreciate the effort that has gone into your reply, although i am aware of a lot of the things you mention and understand that using THIS and other tactics like it, can produce results like the above, i just think that it happens too often, especially under the circumstances i'm witnessing in 2D/3D

Conceding Goals

If i were mostly conceding goals because of getting caught on the counter, as you would tend to expect with this tactic, i would understand that i might need to make changes to help stop it happening, but that is really not the case, here are how i concede 95% of goals

Missed interceptions - Simple clearances or touches that would immediately diffuse a dangerous situation, now if i had two Titus Brambles in my DC positions, again no complaints, but i have two World Class defenders who are wanted by the biggest clubs in the World.

Pacey Players - Often with very poor first touch, dribbling, technique and stamina can take on my whole back four, having received the ball in the middle of the pitch and still have the energy to smash the ball in the back of the net.

Set Pieces - Conceding 30 yard free kicks to players with terrible stats or tiny players(jumping 4) "getting above" my big DC's to score from corners.

25 yards plus wondergoals - From players who have NEVER even scored a goal before in their career and have a long shot stat of just 5 or 6.

Basically, the goals i'm conceding i can do little about, from a tactical point of view, in fact i would rather concede in ways i knew were tactical weakness's, then i could try to find a fix.

Scoring Goals

My top scorer last season Gignac who scored 14 in 22 EPL games, has this season managed just 3 goals in 43 shots and he is missing from the most ridiculous of chances, that even 3rd division players would tap home 9 times out of 10.

He has high attributes in, dribbling, technique, jumping, heading, stamina, strength, off the ball, finishing, composure, determination, long shots and to go with all that, Superb morale.

My other 3 strikers are all very good too and fairing much better than Gignac, but none outstanding, yet as with my defenders, they are all wanted by alot of very big clubs.

So basically, if i was seeing tactical weaknesses, at the back that were costing me goals and if i was not creating good and often great chances up front, i could look to improve things tactically and/or in my approach, but this is not the case, so messing with the tactics is not really an option, as i'm more likely to inadvertently make the tactic worse rather than better.

I am willing to discuss this further should you wish and like i say, i appreciate your input!

Whilst I am not an optimist as a rule, in your case I would like to be so let's start somewhere before we move on...

First of all...looking at your striker scoring stats, have you used the same kind of tactic for both seasons? Do you have a lot of injury problems (other than Gignac)? You say your other strikers are fairing better than him. In the same games or when Gignac is not playing? How much better?

I trawled through my stats which seems simple enough since I play a lone striker formation and my main goalscorer scored 10 in 52 shots so far this season. Not all that stellar. On the face of it that might look like a lot better than with Gignac but many factors might account for that. Yes I understand about missing from close range.

From players who have NEVER even scored a goal before in their career

In all of the previous FMs going back to CM days that was a surefire sign that the game "thought" you had gone on a good enough run and decided to end your run in any way possible, i.e. getting no-hopers to score magic goals to MAKE YOU lose. Usually this turned into a slump which would last a few games depending on how you manage your team and morale after which you would return to winning ways. All of the goalscoring ways against you point directly to this sort of thing.

I may or may not be corrected on this but I have heard it umpteen times that the game pre-calculates results (win, lose or draw) based on numerous formulas (as yet unknown). I have not tried this in this FM but I have in previous ones and there comes a point where you have to start believing when load/reload the same match 50 times with any number of different tactics/player combinations yield 50 different losses with maybe a win now and again based on an anomaly. The anomaly would be quick to spot since it would be something very specific like the other team getting three red cards or the other team goalie making a mistake it would not make for the next 100 games (ala Paul Robinson).

How about going back and tallying Gignac's stats right up until your fortunes turned south because you are of course adding the bad patch which makes comparisons unfair since I have not had a bad patch yet.

[Hammer1000]

Whilst I am not an optimist as a rule, in your case I would like to be so let's start somewhere before we move on...

First of all...looking at your striker scoring stats, have you used the same kind of tactic for both seasons? Do you have a lot of injury problems (other than Gignac)? You say your other strikers are fairing better than him. In the same games or when Gignac is not playing? How much better?

I trawled through my stats which seems simple enough since I play a lone striker formation and my main goalscorer scored 10 in 52 shots so far this season. Not all that stellar. On the face of it that might look like a lot better than with Gignac but many factors might account for that. Yes I understand about missing from close range.

The EPL top scorers are all averaging between 1 in 4.5 and 1 in 5.5, which is the same as 1 of my strikers, Saviola(often injured)

The others are, Hulk 1 in 6.5, Ashton 1 in 7 and Gignac 1 in 13

All the leading Stikers are the VERY pacey ones, Martins, Ishmael Miller?, Agbonlahor and Adebayor, this has been the case in every save i have played, which to me is proof enough that pace is massively overated and actually overides other poor skills like dribbling, technique, finishing and composure etc.

In all of the previous FMs going back to CM days that was a surefire sign that the game "thought" you had gone on a good enough run and decided to end your run in any way possible, i.e. getting no-hopers to score magic goals to MAKE YOU lose. Usually this turned into a slump which would last a few games depending on how you manage your team and morale after which you would return to winning ways. All of the goalscoring ways against you point directly to this sort of thing.

I may or may not be corrected on this but I have heard it umpteen times that the game pre-calculates results (win, lose or draw) based on numerous formulas (as yet unknown). I have not tried this in this FM but I have in previous ones and there comes a point where you have to start believing when load/reload the same match 50 times with any number of different tactics/player combinations yield 50 different losses with maybe a win now and again based on an anomaly. The anomaly would be quick to spot since it would be something very specific like the other team getting three red cards or the other team goalie making a mistake it would not make for the next 100 games (ala Paul Robinson).

How about going back and tallying Gignac's stats right up until your fortunes turned south because you are of course adding the bad patch which makes comparisons unfair since I have not had a bad patch yet.

I just find it frustrating and i think others do to, that WE seem to have to work hard for our chances, whilst the AI gets theirs for free with so many missed interceptions and things like that, especially as like i say, when there is nothing you can see tactically that is wrong?

[Murchadh]

Yes well, like I kind of intimated I do not suffer this lack of form problem (yet?). I used to be converted to the "strong defense/strong attack" school but as of the moment I am of the "score one more than your opponent" school and as such my tactics are ultra attacking so maybe that does help in a way, so even if I get caught by these "scores first ever goal" scenarios I tend to just score more.

As for your first comment, I looked at my current season and you are right, by and large the vast majority of top goal scorers are of the pacey variety. Maybe you should join the club. Personally I value acceleration above pace for strikers. I am a bit baffled by Gignac. Apart from a teeny lack of pace he looks like having the goods stats wise. Hulk...low composure. Ashton...a myriad of deficiencies I am afraid. (all in my game of course).

I think that I might just buy Gignac (I need a fairly tall player anyway) and see for myself.

[Hammer1000]

Yes well, like I kind of intimated I do not suffer this lack of form problem (yet?). I used to be converted to the "strong defense/strong attack" school but as of the moment I am of the "score one more than your opponent" school and as such my tactics are ultra attacking so maybe that does help in a way, so even if I get caught by these "scores first ever goal" scenarios I tend to just score more.

As for your first comment, I looked at my current season and you are right, by and large the vast majority of top goal scorers are of the pacey variety. Maybe you should join the club. Personally I value acceleration above pace for strikers. I am a bit baffled by Gignac. Apart from a teeny lack of pace he looks like having the goods stats wise. Hulk...low composure. Ashton...a myriad of deficiencies I am afraid. (all in my game of course).

I think that I might just buy Gignac (I need a fairly tall player anyway) and see for myself.

Hulk and Saviola are both very pacey, but do not recreate goals like the AI.

Here are my last 3 matches, if i had won 2 of the 3 i would have been top of the table with a game in hand.

[Hammer1000]

I may as well fast forward my way through the rest of the season, i'm even tempted to holiday the whole thing.

Where are you expected to gleen any enjoyment or fun out of the game when it does this sort of thing?

[jprice79144]

just want to say that after 3 years of misery with good team performances but poor striker performances, this tactic is the only thing so far that has gotten my £100mil strike force scoring.

[Kevchenko]

link isn't working for me...

[Kevchenko]

ooh hang on, is now.

sorry ^^

[gavinkil]

Good tactic started using it in the German 3rd Division with Dusseldorf after a really inconsistent run and strikers missing loads.

Not lost since although had quite a few draws.

I find if you are 3-0 up by half time switch counter attack on seems to be a good way to hold out to the end. Also employing a tactic to stop the 4-2-4 helps a lot.

Playing some really nice football at times although dont have the players to turn on playmaker or targetman.

[Mr Sandman]

if i am losing 1-0 and i have created many more clear cut chances than my opponents a few subs usually change the game. It's a poor team talk if you're outplaying the team but not scoring

[entigy]

if i am losing 1-0 and i have created many more clear cut chances than my opponents a few subs usually change the game. It's a poor team talk if you're outplaying the team but not scoring

Tried this tactic last night and won a couple of games, but I was just wondering why the MC with the 'farrow' has more 'defensive' instructions than the one with the 'barrow' ?

I know I only played two games, but at least one of the MCs had a poor rating in each game...

[Hammer1000]

Cant believe this thread has dissapeared from the first page?

It has been superb for me and i dont think i've EVER been outplayed and thats with West Ham?

I have made a few very minor tweaks to get it working a little better for me and if anyone is interested in trying my tweaked version, i'll upload it?

I also have an inmatch tweak that seems to work really well.

If i'm ahead and my opponents are trying to get back in the game? i do the following..

Tempo -3 clicks

Width -3 clicks

Time wasting +3 clicks

Def Line -3 clicks

I also do the exact opposite if i am behind in a game, or drawing and playing well enough to go for the win?

I'd love to know if this would work for others and that its not just pure luck when i use it?

[Bl1nk0rz]

links is dead

[Hammer1000]

http://hosted.filefront.com/gazhammer/

[BamBamBam]

Gonna give this a go with my Wexford team.

[knap]

Hammer,

This is my 442 with change to winger instructions,. My version of this runs at a lower pts rating than normal settings of 101pts. I can add my upgrade tweaks to a winger tactic and provide as an option.

The rh farrowed MC has defensive settings as this is box to box MC, the LH Mc is playmaker holding back.

[Hammer1000]

Gonna give this a go with my Wexford team.

Performance wise, you should start playing well and outperforming your opponents most if not all of the time, i dont believe much in the "let them get used to it" philosophy, every great tactic i have ever used has basically worked from the off and thats in EVERY FM release i've ever played.

However, it CAN actually take some time before your strikers start taking their chances, it may well be worth having your strikers train to "take the ball around GK", just see what you think?

[Vekaz]

http://hosted.filefront.com/gazhammer/

Is that the tweaked one Hammer ?