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[FM21] Manchester United: A club stuck in transition


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2 hours ago, duvels said:

TBH, I'm quite happy with the performance in defense. Maybe with the balanced mentality, I'm too cautious.

Rashford keeping the ball waiting for Telles to overlap is indeed something to look at. That might give more incentive to Rashford to pass it to the striker. AWB and DDG are doing alright in their current role atm.

Should be alright with those things but maybe it is the mentality, dont forget the roles too make a big difference in how you play

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Season 2 review

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Once again it turned into a two horse race between ourselves and Liverpool who chocked right at the end again.

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Our run to the final was a lot more  straight forward this time with just a minor hiccup away to Atletico and the final was a lot easier than i was expecting.

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The FA Cup run was flawless, not a single goal conceded on the way to winning it against Norwich in the final

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We now have a settled tactic,that dominates,scores plenty and is solid at the back.

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Season 3 is fast approaching.We were given £179m in transfer funds at the end of season 2 so we are doing some business both in and out before the season starts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, milan_manutd said:

@axehan1 Is Badashiele that good that he is your first choice DC (along L.Felipe)?

 

Finishing 1st in PL with both cups won and playing vs Barca in UCL finale.

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Apart from a 6 week injury he was my 1st choice left sided cb,still has plenty of development ahead of him.

 

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I didn't expect that first season will goes so smoth. Cavani golden boot in UCL, Bruno 25 goals and 16 asist in all competitions and he was more than 2 months out. Bailly 2 asist in UCL 1/2 vs Liverpool, Greenwood goal and asist in finale UCL vs Barca, Alex Telles 7,39 in 45 games average...

Upamecano, Donnarumma, Ginter and Sergio Gomes arriving in june on free and I expect 20 players coming back from loan.

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6 hours ago, duvels said:

True. Here's my tactic, but as said, not so sure about the striker role. Or maybe some other instructions which aren't ideal?
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I'm honestly not an expert at this game, and I never have been, so you can try out what I say or not, but I'll just give a little of my own views on this. 

First, Martial on AF is fine, especially since you've got a 10 in Bruno, so you'll have someone deeper, while Martial can be used to make runs in behind.

 

Second, it's important to remember Player Traits, or their Preferred Moves(PPMs). PPMs are what a player will naturally gravitate towards doing. I'm not sure on FM21, but if I remember correctly on FM20, is that Sancho has the PPM "moves ball onto right foot before dribbling". Now, FM isn't a representation on real life, but what this means to me is that he will stay a bit wider despite having him on IW(A). He's right footed, being played on the right, and has that PPM which means he's always more often than not going to try to beat his man outside rather than inside. 
Dropping him to a support role will mean you exercise the full extent of his attributes. He can cross, he can move into midfield, he can get into the box, he can do everything in that role. Sancho is more a creative playmaking winger that scores goals, rather than an out and out goalscorer. On the other hand, you have Rashford, who is predominantly a goalscorer and who probably still has the "Cuts Inside" PPM and whose foot is opposite the side he's playing on. I'd return Rashford to the IF(A) role, or continue to play him on support, but with a "Get Further Forward" instruction. Rashford will then become a wide forward, while Sancho will play as a creative winger, but also will get into the box to overload or make runs into space to open teams up.

I'd also play Bruno as the AM(A) rather than an AP(A), as it feels to me a better representation of his values. For example, Mata is the kind of player I'd view as an AP, but Bruno is much more dynamic. 

 

Here's a big gripe for me. Pogba in a midfield 2 playing as a Mezzala. Pogba has terrible Positioning, Tackling, Marking and his Decision making is average. One thing to note is that because of the traits of a Mezzala, he is moving further ahead, because of the space left by Sancho. This is leaving you with a midfield solely with Bentancur in it. While you may still defensively be secure in your save(God knows how), I imagine due to a Balanced mentality, you're also lessening your options for recycling possession and for interlinking play more centrally, as your players will all be operating in such a tight space, with teams sitting deep. Although it says they're similar to a B2B role, it's important to remember that a Mezzala is NOT a B2B midfielder. You could consider Pogba as a Box to Box, but honestly, I'm sceptical of playing Pogba in a midfield 2 with his attributes and lack of Work Rate. Unless you're going to play with Inverted Wingbacks to cover the space and offer options, so you can persist with him as a Mezzala, then I'm doubtful. 

 

As @BigV said, Telles on WB(S) is just fine. He still gets forward when needed, will support the defence, and will do everything that is required of him. WB(A) in my opinion is predominantly for when you are not featuring any other wide players in your team. If you don't like that, CWB(S) is good and switch Maguire to the opposite side.

 

There's also honestly no particular need for the Overlap function. Telles will overlap when he needs to and if there's space to do so. Enabling that instruction may slow down play and allow the defence to be more compact.

 

I'd also take out "Work Ball Into Box", as you have "Shorter Passing", and as was screamed at me in words previously 2 years ago, together they are just overkill. I have a thing about High Tempos and Shorter Passing but a lot of people play this way, so I'll leave that.

The rest is a full on Gegenpress, so I won't touch that either. 

 

Generally, my theory is that you're pinning teams in but not doing much with the ball..

 

However, this is more me delving in part to the realistic aspects, so it could all be a fart in the wind. Who knows. 

 

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So looks like I'm all set to start my save within the next few days.

Considering loading more leagues this time because I'm starting my Utd save so early in FM21's cycle, I was pretty much going for 25 leagues but may go for 50. I do have an Intel i9 9900k and 16gb RAM so it's a pretty good setup for FM. 

What do you all run in here? Because I know some people load even more than 50 leagues, some people go for the whole lot, lol :D

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50 minutes ago, Gee_Simpson said:

Considering loading more leagues this time because I'm starting my Utd save so early in FM21's cycle, I was pretty much going for 25 leagues but may go for 50

Crazzaayyy if you're United then I would suggest the the whole player count in the region rather having that many leagues. 

The again I dont know the ratio of a good spec pc working so many leagues

I usually use the main big countries like spain germany etc. top 2/3 leagues and use them as view only, just makes the gameplay faster but with the speedy saving and processing times you could go further

50 leagues my God, i can only dream of that :lol:

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1 hour ago, BigV said:

Crazzaayyy if you're United then I would suggest the the whole player count in the region rather having that many leagues. 

The again I dont know the ratio of a good spec pc working so many leagues

I usually use the main big countries like spain germany etc. top 2/3 leagues and use them as view only, just makes the gameplay faster but with the speedy saving and processing times you could go further

50 leagues my God, i can only dream of that :lol:

Yeah I'm thinking it may be a little OTT but because I built my PC purely for FM I feel like I should make the most of it. Ran a test on FM20 and it took just over 6 mins to progress through a whole month with 50 leagues loaded, with 25 it was just under 4 mins. I'll run the test again to see if FM21 has been made faster as it does feel faster this year.

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Yeah, I'm a 50 league guy, db of over 100,000 players.  1/2 star performance.  If it's a full 1 star I KEEP ADDING !

I dont mind the wait for processing...makes me get up and move a little bit instead of staying fused to my chair all day.  

 

So...it's purely for health reasons!

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I'm pretty sure the stars have been bugged for years. I don't know that I've ever seen above maybe one star even with a single league loaded. That said, I have every country, and almost every league, loaded. I excluded lower leagues in some countries that I don't really care about.

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Won the league and CL in my first season. I used a random tactic from Knap's thread and adjusted mentality/SUS instructions by match. Greenwood banged in 41 goals in all competition including 31 in the league. I highly recommend the tactic as it seems to bring the best out of the strikers and is more or less plug and play.

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Managed to get rid of some deadweight in the first window but ended up keeping Lingard as there weren't a lot of options available in the market. All of the buys were great, Skriniar and Demiral were absolute bargains. Currently wrapping up business in the second summer window and trying to offload De Gea but it doesn't seem possible. Pogba was difficult to get rid of as well. I've found the most effective way for getting transfer listed players to find clubs on their own is to assertively tell them the team can't afford their wages. Pogba and Lingard did not have bidders until that talk was had and they actively started looking for suitors.

The new Brexit system is annoying mostly in that non-English youth players cannot be transferred until they turn 18, much like South American players for all European clubs. Otherwise I've not had any permit issues with European players.

Overall, I think getting rid of high wages should be the priority at the start. Pogba's DLP role is in great abundance and he is no longer a world-beater like in the years prior. With Greenwood, Rashford, Hendo, and some combination of McTominay, Tuanzebe, Garner, Williams, and Hannibal, there's more than enough youth to fill the home-grown slots. English talent in general is plentiful this year.

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Lol I know most of you are saying it's important to get rid of the deadwood ASAP, but I'm sticking to my guns and keeping the first window closed :D Tbh I reckon I would do that for any save with any team, just like doing it for an extra challenge really and it keeps the database pretty realistic up until January. 

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Good to know I won't be the only one in here to load at least 50 leagues! :D Cyprus is a big miss, so I'm hoping @Travis Bickle comes out with his great file for FM21 again as it's the biggest European league missing on FM, not sure why SI can't get it in the game as I doubt the license would cost much? Looks like I may have to add it in season 2 as I can't find a Cyprus league made by anyone so far.

I reckon because I am starting my Utd save so early this time that I will load at least 50 leagues, as it's my long term save so I can take my time and still get through a lot of seasons by next March or so when I'll probably start my 2nd save with another team when the January window update hits. Most I have run with was 88 leagues, which = at least 1 league per nation in the game, but it did feel a tad too slow for me. I've heard FM21 runs the whole database quickly though so who knows, I might test it lol.

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14 hours ago, Gee_Simpson said:

So looks like I'm all set to start my save within the next few days.

Considering loading more leagues this time because I'm starting my Utd save so early in FM21's cycle, I was pretty much going for 25 leagues but may go for 50. I do have an Intel i9 9900k and 16gb RAM so it's a pretty good setup for FM. 

What do you all run in here? Because I know some people load even more than 50 leagues, some people go for the whole lot, lol :D

I loaded my save with all 119 leagues and around 380k players (the most possible to load with original db). I run the game in a i7 5820K, 4x4Gb and GTX1070 without any problem and this version of the game was much more smoothly than FM20 or 19. I'm planning to go 10 or more seasons in this savegame. I used a new feature when the country has an option to play the major league and load the other with view only.

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2 hours ago, Joao Arq said:

I used a new feature when the country has an option to play the major league and load the other with view only.

I didn't know that was a thing you could do, wow.

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32 minutes ago, Juls317 said:

I didn't know that was a thing you could do, wow.

In the picture below you could see for example: England have Championship and Premier League playable and the rest as view only. This feature is amazing to setup new savegames. 

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3 hours ago, Juls317 said:

I didn't know that was a thing you could do, wow.

Was added in FM21, miles said that they couldnt do it in fm20 for some reason.

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