Help with adapting to the heading glitch

[Bunkerossian]

I bought this game a month or so ago, having no knowledge of a severe issue with the match engine which made 90% of headers either go over the bar/away from goal, or more commonly- straight at the keeper. I'm not trying to complain in an inappropriate place, but am asking for tactical advice.

I picked Valencia for my first save. Their main striker is Maxi Gomez, an aerial expert. I create many chances, and regularly outproduce the opposition in terms of number of shots on target. In the first half of the season, scoring from open play was easier to make up for the header inefficiency. However now, especially against better La Liga teams, I get games where I simply cannot score, despite having excellent set piece takers which on paper, should help me breach any team. I'll attach screenshots if requested, both of the key players and tactics, but for now, I'll mention Daniel Wass and Dani Parejo.

What I'm asking for is advice on how to help Maxi Gomez, and the rest of the team score more from situations unaffected by the glitch. He is unfortunately, a slow-ish player, and my fastest striker, Rodrigo, has poor Composure. I rarely see through ball attempts by my more creative players anyway. Typically teams defend deep against me.

Edited August 4, 2020 by Bunkerossian

[ReadingFan82]

7 minutes ago, Bunkerossian said:

I bought this game a month or so ago, having no knowledge of a severe issue with the match engine which made 90% of headers either go over the bar/away from goal, or more commonly- straight at the keeper. I'm not trying to complain in an inappropriate place, but am asking for tactical advice.

I picked Valencia for my first save. Their main striker is Maxi Gomez, an aerial expert. I create many chances, and regularly outproduce the opposition in terms of number of shots on target. In the first half of the season, scoring from open play was easier to make up for the header inefficiency. However now, especially against better La Liga teams, I get games where I simply cannot score, despite having excellent set piece takers which on paper, should help me breach any team. I'll attach screenshots if requested, both of the key players and tactics, but for now, I'll mention Daniel Wass and Dani Parejo.

What I'm asking for is advice on how to help Maxi Gomez, and the rest of the team score more from situations unaffected by the glitch. He is unfortunately, a slow-ish player, and my fastest striker, Rodrigo, has poor Composure. I rarely see through ball attempts by my more creative players anyway. Typically teams defend deep against me.

To be honest I'm not one of the best people at this game but I would say that maybe your best idea would be to try what would pretty much be a completely different set up to the one based around getting Gomez a lot a lot of goals. Based from what I know about him he seems like a traditional target man so it could be quite hard to find a way to fit him into a team due him perhaps being a little one dimensional.

Regarding the set pieces there may be an issue with how they are set up and playing around with that could be a good idea maybe? 

[Experienced Defender]

1 hour ago, Bunkerossian said:

What I'm asking for is advice on how to help Maxi Gomez, and the rest of the team score more from situations unaffected by the glitch

Which situations and what "glitch" are you actually talking about? If you are not able to do something, it does not mean that there is a "glitch" or "bug" or whatever to that effect. 

 

1 hour ago, Bunkerossian said:

I'm not trying to complain in an inappropriate place, but am asking for tactical advice

If you are asking for tactical advice, then where is your tactic (screenhot), to begin with?

[ReadingFan82]

1 hour ago, Experienced Defender said:

Which situations and what "glitch" are you actually talking about? If you are not able to do something, it does not mean that there is a "glitch" or "bug" or whatever to that effect. 

I think what he might be getting at is how ineffective heading can be on this game in this certain match engine. Maybe using the word glitch wasn't the right wording but I kinda get what he means on this one. Seems to not be too effective on this match engine even with players who should really suit said role/tactic.

I think he might have used glitch in the sense of referring it to real life football, in the sense that it is much less ineffective compared to how it works in real life.

[Experienced Defender]

52 minutes ago, ReadingFan82 said:

I think what he might be getting at is how ineffective heading can be on this game in this certain match engine. Maybe using the word glitch wasn't the right wording but I kinda get what he means on this one. Seems to not be too effective on this match engine even with players who should really suit said role/tactic.

I think he might have used glitch in the sense of referring it to real life football, in the sense that it is much less ineffective compared to how it works in real life.

In any case, he needs to provide a screenshot of his tactic so that we could see if the tactic makes sense in the first place. No match engine can compensate for a poorly designed tactic (or even well-designed tactic, but unsuited to your players). 

[ReadingFan82]

18 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

In any case, he needs to provide a screenshot of his tactic so that we could see if the tactic makes sense in the first place. No match engine can compensate for a poorly designed tactic (or even well-designed tactic, but unsuited to your players). 

Oh completely I agree. You can only work with what you've been given can't you? 

I was really just trying to try and explain a little bit better what I thought he had meant by referring to the heading glitch as he had called it. I do believe though that in this specific match engine the way it is though some thins simply aren't as effective as other things and I do think from what I've seen in my own saves, which admittedly is not a whole lot, that things like heading isn't particularly effective, so I do sympathize with him on that one.

[Experienced Defender]

8 minutes ago, ReadingFan82 said:

Oh completely I agree. You can only work with what you've been given can't you? 

I was really just trying to try and explain a little bit better what I thought he had meant by referring to the heading glitch as he had called it. I do believe though that in this specific match engine the way it is though some thins simply aren't as effective as other things and I do think from what I've seen in my own saves, which admittedly is not a whole lot, that things like heading isn't particularly effective, so I do sympathize with him on that one.

Different people obviously have different experiences with everything including FM 

[ReadingFan82]

Just now, Experienced Defender said:

Different people obviously have different experiences with everything including FM 

Really? You must be some sort of fm genius to find a way to play effectively with a good target man with a direct style of play. Never been able to get one going for myself but fair enough. Plenty of people who understand this game a bit better than I do fair enough.

[Experienced Defender]

1 minute ago, ReadingFan82 said:

Really? You must be some sort of fm genius to find a way to play effectively with a good target man with a direct style of play. Never been able to get one going for myself but fair enough. Plenty of people who understand this game a bit better than I do fair enough.

I am no FM genius, believe me. My tactics are the simplest possible. But always based on a very deep and thorough analysis of my players. 

[ReadingFan82]

4 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

I am no FM genius, believe me. My tactics are the simplest possible. But always based on a very deep and thorough analysis of my players. 

Ah fair enough then. One of my problems is I like to come up with an idea for how I want to set up and then just try and force players to play it even it might not naturally suit them too well. Any tips for how analyse your players well? B e rude not to as well ask while I'm here.

[Experienced Defender]

1 minute ago, ReadingFan82 said:

Any tips for how analyse your players well?

This requires a separate topic (although there have already been a lot of threads on that particular question). 

[permanentquandary]

I'm managing Troyes on FM20.

First season, top scoring team in the league, more than half way through the season.

Vast majority of goals are scored from headers and we have scored more headed goals than anyone by miles.

I'm playing using a 442 with a target man on support, a wide midfielder on attack and a winger on support. Inverted wingbacks.

Edited August 5, 2020 by permanentquandary

[Bunkerossian]

@Experienced Defender  The first screenshots is the tactic I started the game with, 4-4-2. The roles in the formation may get changed around if I'm playing the backup/rotation options, and this cam mean the right MF is an inside winger, or that I have a Mezzala instead of a BBM.

Second screenshot should be a 4-1-2-2-1. First used against Real Madrid, where a red card for Marcelo meant I didn't even get to see how well it worked. I did stumble upon something against Barcelona, though. Defensive mentality, even with wing players pushed up, neutralized them in conjunction with possession football.

However, this was all in the first half of the season. I am doing okay on points, but it's getting harder to crack open teams from set pieces. Strangely, I have had some more issues at home than away. Teams like Real Sociedad and Betis were able to beat me, although I... restarted that second game, after realizing I had at least 9 headers which failed to go in from impossible situations.

Screenshots 3 and 4 are my set piece routines, which produce chances in more than sufficient amounts. But the great majority of those do not go in.

In terms of open play and heading, it's the same. With the added issue of my players not crossing early enough. They want to come almost to the edge of the pitch to cross, but of course, then full-backs block them.

@permanentquandary What are your instructions when it comes to crossing and such?

Edited August 5, 2020 by Bunkerossian

[crusadertsar]

@Bunkerossian Your team is just not good at crossing and your instructions are not optimised. You should really change your thread heading because right now it's misleading and confusing people. There is no such thing  as heading or crossing "glitch" in the game. 

Edited August 5, 2020 by crusadertsar

[Experienced Defender]

4 hours ago, Bunkerossian said:

The roles in the formation may get changed around if I'm playing the backup/rotation options, and this cam mean the right MF is an inside winger, or that I have a Mezzala instead of a BBM

That itself can already be a (big) problem. Tactical inconsistency usually has a negative effect on players and their performances.

Another notable problem is that you use 2 very different tactics, including even the formations (which are not even analogous at that). Which again leads to the problem of tactical inconsistency I mentioned above.

So even if your tactic(s) was/were without any obvious flaws - which they are not - this inconsistency alone could well affect the performance. 

4 hours ago, Bunkerossian said:

Screenshots 3 and 4 are my set piece routines, which produce chances in more than sufficient amounts. But the great majority of those do not go in

I am not an expert in set pieces (although I am decent at setting them up), but expecting to score many goals from set pieces is rather unrealistic. Although it's still possible if you either manage to create yourself or download some especially effective routines from set piece specialists (one of which relatively recently had a thread on set pieces in this very forum, so you may browse and take a look). 

[Bunkerossian]

39 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

That itself can already be a (big) problem. Tactical inconsistency usually has a negative effect on players and their performances.

Another notable problem is that you use 2 very different tactics, including even the formations (which are not even analogous at that). Which again leads to the problem of tactical inconsistency I mentioned above.

So even if your tactic(s) was/were without any obvious flaws - which they are not - this inconsistency alone could well affect the performance. 

I am not an expert in set pieces (although I am decent at setting them up), but expecting to score many goals from set pieces is rather unrealistic. Although it's still possible if you either manage to create yourself or download some especially effective routines from set piece specialists (one of which relatively recently had a thread on set pieces in this very forum, so you may browse and take a look). 

What should one do if some players do not suit the roles of the usual formation? It is rare that one has a team where most of the roster will fit to one single formation and role selection.

My tactical choices are also influenced by fairly poor club finances, which do not allow for many player acquisitions. I am basically trying to play with what I have.

My biggest issue with set pieces is that straight headers at goal do not result in me scoring. Particularly infuriating is to see my main striker head the ball...only for the anticlimactic miss over the bar or a GK catch the ball.

[crusadertsar]

Why do you expect for your striker to score every time in set pieces? Set piece goals, especially goals from crosses and corners are a very low success strategy in real life and in game. Even if you have some kind of Target Man god with 20 in both jumping and heading, they will succeed rarely in the game. it's simply because most defenders even at low levels have pretty decent jumping and strength attributes. You can't base your whole strategy on expecting to win from them.

Edited August 5, 2020 by crusadertsar

[Experienced Defender]

1 hour ago, Bunkerossian said:

What should one do if some players do not suit the roles of the usual formation?

How exactly do you judge if a player suits a particular role or not? Based on his attributes or the (green) circle of role suitability? 

 

2 hours ago, Bunkerossian said:

My biggest issue with set pieces is that straight headers at goal do not result in me scoring. Particularly infuriating is to see my main striker head the ball...only for the anticlimactic miss over the bar or a GK catch the ball

That's quite normal and realistic, both in FM and real-life football. Even in open play headers are much less likely to be converted into goals compared to shots by feet. 

If you expect set-pieces to be your main source of goals, then I fear you are going to end up very frustrated. After all, if you think that you should regularly score from set-pieces, then you should accept that the opposition should also score regularly from them. 

[Bunkerossian]

4 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

How exactly do you judge if a player suits a particular role or not? Based on his attributes or the (green) circle of role suitability? 

 

That's quite normal and realistic, both in FM and real-life football. Even in open play headers are much less likely to be converted into goals compared to shots by feet. 

If you expect set-pieces to be your main source of goals, then I fear you are going to end up very frustrated. After all, if you think that you should regularly score from set-pieces, then you should accept that the opposition should also score regularly from them. 

Combination of  the suitability circle and looking at things like preferred foot and attributes. I suppose my main issue is that I don't believe in tactical consistency enough to force my 25-man roster to play in a formation that's always the same.

I think realism is one thing, but being unable to score from a header for entire games really kills my plan. Yes, I was looking to score a large portion of goals from set pieces. I wanted to be able to count on them to pull me out of bad situations, or force a win when open play cannot get the job done. I have a striker who won't be dribbling his way past defenders, but can beat them in the air. So, I am looking for tips on crossing or improving the quality of headers.

[Experienced Defender]

3 minutes ago, Bunkerossian said:

I think realism is one thing, but being unable to score from a header for entire games really kills my plan

Then simply change the plan. Be flexible, that's what football management is primarily about. 

 

4 minutes ago, Bunkerossian said:

So, I am looking for tips on crossing or improving the quality of headers

This is an example of my 442 tactic in which TM on support is by far my top goal-scorer (not from set-pieces but from open play and mostly via headers):

TMsu    PFat

WMat      CMde    BBM      Wsu

WBauto    CDde   CDde    FBsu

SKde

Balanced mentality + higher tempo, wider width and play for set pieces + distribute to fullbacks + higher D-line and offside trap.

The TM is allowed to roam from position (because my player is intelligent enough to utilize the instruction in the right way). BBM is told to get further forward. Both TM and BBM are also instructed to close down more. RB (FBsu) to sit narrower and cross to the far post. 

I don't know if this particular tactic and setup of roles and duties would suit your players, so I am just trying to give you some food for thought (ideas) on how simple it can be to design a good tactic that suits your team.

[permanentquandary]

1 hour ago, Bunkerossian said:

Combination of  the suitability circle and looking at things like preferred foot and attributes. I suppose my main issue is that I don't believe in tactical consistency enough to force my 25-man roster to play in a formation that's always the same.

I think realism is one thing, but being unable to score from a header for entire games really kills my plan. Yes, I was looking to score a large portion of goals from set pieces. I wanted to be able to count on them to pull me out of bad situations, or force a win when open play cannot get the job done. I have a striker who won't be dribbling his way past defenders, but can beat them in the air. So, I am looking for tips on crossing or improving the quality of headers.

What you don't seem to notice is that Gomez is also very good with back to goal and the ball played into his feet. He has 15 touch, 17 off the ball, 17 strength and 16 balance. He's not quick, but he's great at holding up the ball and he's great at dropping off defenders to receive the ball to his feet. He might lack agility to turn and play balls in behind himself, but he only needs to lay off the ball to a midfielder who will ping the ball into the space Gomez created for there to be a goalscoring opportunity. He's good as a pressing forward or as a deep lying forward, not just a target man.

So you don't need to rely purely on headers to win.

[ReadingFan82]

14 hours ago, permanentquandary said:

I'm managing Troyes on FM20.

First season, top scoring team in the league, more than half way through the season.

Vast majority of goals are scored from headers and we have scored more headed goals than anyone by miles.

I'm playing using a 442 with a target man on support, a wide midfielder on attack and a winger on support. Inverted wingbacks.

Ah well it must be just me and @Bunkerossian who have issues on that one I guess haha

Fair enough I'm still kinda new to this game so hopefully I'll find a way to be able to get it working for me on a few of my saves 

[Bunkerossian]

1 hour ago, Experienced Defender said:

Then simply change the plan. Be flexible, that's what football management is primarily about. 

 

This is an example of my 442 tactic in which TM on support is by far my top goal-scorer (not from set-pieces but from open play and mostly via headers):

TMsu    PFat

WMat      CMde    BBM      Wsu

WBauto    CDde   CDde    FBsu

SKde

Balanced mentality + higher tempo, wider width and play for set pieces + distribute to fullbacks + higher D-line and offside trap.

The TM is allowed to roam from position (because my player is intelligent enough to utilize the instruction in the right way). BBM is told to get further forward. Both TM and BBM are also instructed to close down more. RB (FBsu) to sit narrower and cross to the far post. 

I don't know if this particular tactic and setup of roles and duties would suit your players, so I am just trying to give you some food for thought (ideas) on how simple it can be to design a good tactic that suits your team.

To what are your crosses set? Mixed, or one of the specific three variants?

[Experienced Defender]

31 minutes ago, Bunkerossian said:

To what are your crosses set?

Mixed (default).

[Bunkerossian]

17 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

Mixed (default).

See, I had thought changing this setting could help me, but it wasn't doing much.

[CaptCanuck]

3 hours ago, ReadingFan82 said:

Ah well it must be just me and @Bunkerossian who have issues on that one I guess haha

Fair enough I'm still kinda new to this game so hopefully I'll find a way to be able to get it working for me on a few of my saves 

Haha. I don't think anyone is implying that :-)

But when a user starts a whingy tactic thread with a title that includes 'glitch' there should be some pushback from those who experience otherwise, especially since there have been a number of threads where folks show how set pieces can be taken advantage of, to score more goals than you'd otherwise expect.

Like you I'm still learning, but I find I score an acceptable number of headers/chance via my 5'11" IF attacking R->L crosses from the right side W or WB and my 6'6" brute of a CB ended last season with 8 goals from all comps, which seems a suitably good 'realistic' total seeing they all came from set pieces.

I've actually bought a promising 18yr old IF/W who is 6'4" and has solid aerial and attacking attributes, that I thought I would transition into the team in the next few years and see how he latches onto some of those crosses. I wouldn't expect him to start banging in all of them, but I would expect an increase over the current chap... time will tell :-)

Edited August 5, 2020 by CaptCanuck

[herne79]

On 04/08/2020 at 21:04, Bunkerossian said:

I bought this game a month or so ago, having no knowledge of a severe issue with the match engine which made 90% of headers either go over the bar/away from goal, or more commonly- straight at the keeper.

Genuine question - where have you got this information from?  A bug report raised in that forum which SI have acknowledged needs fixing (please provide a link if so)?  Your own observations?  A statement you've read / heard about from some random on the internet?  Something else?

Interested to know why you make such a strongly worded statement ("severe" is a word not to be used lightly).

[ReadingFan82]

2 hours ago, CaptCanuck said:

Haha. I don't think anyone is implying that :-)

But when a user starts a whingy tactic thread with a title that includes 'glitch' there should be some pushback from those who experience otherwise, especially since there have been a number of threads where folks show how set pieces can be taken advantage of, to score more goals than you'd otherwise expect.

Like you I'm still learning, but I find I score an acceptable number of headers/chance via my 5'11" IF attacking R->L crosses from the right side W or WB and my 6'6" brute of a CB ended last season with 8 goals from all comps, which seems a suitably good 'realistic' total seeing they all came from set pieces.

I've actually bought a promising 18yr old IF/W who is 6'4" and has solid aerial and attacking attributes, that I thought I would transition into the team in the next few years and see how he latches onto some of those crosses. I wouldn't expect him to start banging in all of them, but I would expect an increase over the current chap... time will tell :-)

Yep I know, was just trying to make a bit of a joke out of my failings at this game in this specific instance.

I wouldn't say it was particularly whingy, although the word glitch probably wasn't best suited to describing the issue he's having on his save, given that it isn't what you would really deem to be a glitch.

I completely agree with the set pieces thing, on my own Sunderland save I think I've scored 70 league goals and 18 of those where from corners so I completely get what you mean on that one. I myself have had 3 of my center backs all get 6 goals across the season, mainly from corners so yeah. I've also had a fair bit of success with having the ball crossed to the back post and having a winger or inside forward heading the ball in at the back post but I've had issues specifically with making use of a traditional target man when it comes to him putting the ball in the net from crosses.

Heading is definitely effective on this game but I do sympathize with the original post as I myself haven't been able to find a way to play effectively using a direct style of play with a target man where he scores a lot of players but that's just me. I don't know if I insinuated that it was impossible but if I did that wasn't what I meant to say, just that I personally had found it difficult. Apologies if I hadn't been clear enough on my posts on this thread. As I said I am still new to this game and when I understand it a bit better hopefully I will find a way to make better use of this aspect of the game.

Yeah that guy sounds like he's going to a bit of a beast coming in from the left. If you have good players on the right hand side to put the ball into him you could be on to a real winner. If he has decent physicals like pace and other things like that you could be on to an absolute gem. Hopefully he starts banging in all of them asap :-)

[Bunkerossian]

7 hours ago, herne79 said:

Genuine question - where have you got this information from?  A bug report raised in that forum which SI have acknowledged needs fixing (please provide a link if so)?  Your own observations?  A statement you've read / heard about from some random on the internet?  Something else?

Interested to know why you make such a strongly worded statement ("severe" is a word not to be used lightly).

My personal observation, plus reading certain threads which describe partially the same thing (headers flying over/past the goal too often- I also experience goalkeepers catching shots that come from extremely close range like it's nothing). I see others have taken exception to my use of the word "glitch", but I do feel things are abnormal, considering who are my players and the aerial prowess of some of them on paper.

My main issue is that I'm not even sure if there is  something I'm missing, that could make the amount of set pieces per game I have more fruitful. And there can be a lot of free kicks, throw-ins and corners in my games.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Bunkerossian

[herne79]

1 hour ago, Bunkerossian said:

My personal observation, plus reading certain threads which describe partially the same thing (headers flying over/past the goal too often- I also experience goalkeepers catching shots that come from extremely close range like it's nothing). I see others have taken exception to my use of the word "glitch", but I do feel things are abnormal, considering who are my players and the aerial prowess of some of them on paper.

I appreciate things may feel abnormal, but come on fella you've been around here long enough to know that saying things such as "severe ME issue", when it hasn't even been raised as an issue (let alone acknowledged as one by SI), can be pretty provocative and ultimately misleading to others.  #fakenews .

1 hour ago, Bunkerossian said:

My main issue is that I'm not even sure if there is  something I'm missing, that could make the amount of set pieces per game I have more fruitful. And there can be a lot of free kicks, throw-ins and corners in my games.

There's already some discussion above about tactical settings so I won't talk about that side, however 3 other thoughts:

1) Have you changed up your Training to focus more on set pieces?  That can help if you are struggling.

2) I know you posted a couple of set piece routines above but as they aren't helping have you tried changing them?  Or just binning them completely?  Personally I never use any routines as players can be quite capable of sorting things out for themselves.

3) Try changing your set piece takers.

Ultimately though it's about winning matches.  I know you've had struggles in the past so are you having issues with getting decent results with Valencia?  It can be a good idea to try to maximise opportunities from set pieces however if your results overall with Valencia are lower than expected there may be larger issues there than just set pieces.

[Bunkerossian]

2 hours ago, herne79 said:

I appreciate things may feel abnormal, but come on fella you've been around here long enough to know that saying things such as "severe ME issue", when it hasn't even been raised as an issue (let alone acknowledged as one by SI), can be pretty provocative and ultimately misleading to others.  #fakenews .

There's already some discussion above about tactical settings so I won't talk about that side, however 3 other thoughts:

1) Have you changed up your Training to focus more on set pieces?  That can help if you are struggling.

2) I know you posted a couple of set piece routines above but as they aren't helping have you tried changing them?  Or just binning them completely?  Personally I never use any routines as players can be quite capable of sorting things out for themselves.

3) Try changing your set piece takers.

Ultimately though it's about winning matches.  I know you've had struggles in the past so are you having issues with getting decent results with Valencia?  It can be a good idea to try to maximise opportunities from set pieces however if your results overall with Valencia are lower than expected there may be larger issues there than just set pieces.

1. Yes, I often add set piece-relevant training sessions on days with lighter workloads, to see if header conversion rate would improve.

2. I tried making small adjustments (using Lurk at N/F post instead of the regular Attack). I bother with routines precisely because I have two great set piece takers.

3. I have two great ones, I play at least one every game. I'm happy with their deliveries. Of course, buying more could add variety. My current 3. best taker is decidedly meh comparred to Wass and Parejo.

I'm facing issues staying in the title race, after a great start. I now have situations where at home, I start fearing a loss will come because my 10 consecutive free kicks and corners ended up in the goalkeeper's gloves.

One oddity I can't explain: what could cause a young, although promising CB, to be better at scoring from set pieces than the CF I put up a screenshot of? When my set pieces produced goals, Mouctar was the scorer most of the time.

[Pasonen]

On 05/08/2020 at 10:21, Bunkerossian said:

Screenshots 3 and 4 are my set piece routines, which produce chances in more than sufficient amounts. But the great majority of those do not go in.

In corners I think you got too many players outside the box. 1 staying back completely is enough if you ask me.  In match check how opponent marks your best heading player in corners. If he's marked out change his position to like att near Post and play balls 6 yard box or other way. If something is not producing in game make change and maybe next time it will or change it more permanently after game.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Pasonen

[Bunkerossian]

Just now, Pasonen said:

In corners I think you got too many players outside the box. 1 staying back is enough of you ask me.  In match check how opponent marks your best heading player in corners. If he's marked out change his position to like att near Post and play balls 6 yard box or other way. If something is not producing in game make change and maybe next time it will or change it more permanently after game.

Constructive advice, thank you. Although, I read on certain sites that leaving two men back to stop counterattacks is strongly recoimmended.  I never checked these sorts of things before.

Do you have issues with many squandered opportunities from set pieces, like a player on the far post heading it straight at the keeper?

[Pasonen]

11 minutes ago, Bunkerossian said:

Do you have issues with many squandered opportunities from set pieces, like a player on the far post heading it straight at the keeper?

Problem is theres too accurate headers and crosses at the moment. If you would have bought fm one patch version earlier you would have seen headers flying all over the place. Like 2-4m over. If header doesnt go in its just game showing poorly not so detailed it was not good enough timing etc. You need to read between the lines. You can try setting your best headers (or buy new ones)to AML/AMR positions because there they are defended by the fullbacks  and headers are more dangerous. Thats just how the game works at the moment.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Pasonen

[HUNT3R]

20 minutes ago, Bunkerossian said:

One oddity I can't explain: what could cause a young, although promising CB, to be better at scoring from set pieces than the CF I put up a screenshot of? When my set pieces produced goals, Mouctar was the scorer most of the time.

Maybe the opposition had a similar view? The taller, more aerially capable defenders marked the more dangerous threats, so you had a bit of a mismatch with the CB and his marker?

[Bunkerossian]

1 hour ago, Pasonen said:

Problem is theres too accurate headers and crosses at the moment. If you would have bought fm one patch version earlier you would have seen headers flying all over the place. Like 2-4m over. If header doesnt go in its just game showing poorly not so detailed it was not good enough timing etc. You need to read between the lines. You can try setting your best headers (or buy new ones)to AML/AMR positions because there they are defended by the fullbacks  and headers are more dangerous. Thats just how the game works at the moment.

This is exactly what is happening to me, however. I'm running the 20.4.1. version, bought on Steam some month ago. The other bolded thing might make sense if my striker didn't have excellent mentals, bar Positioning. Is Positioning way more important for scoring headers than I think? Now that I think of it, Gomez also has poor Technique as well, but my best scorer from set plays has it worse.

[Criative]

Are your crosses going to you Advanced Foward or your Winger?

[Pasonen]

20 hours ago, Bunkerossian said:

This is exactly what is happening to me, however. I'm running the 20.4.1. version, bought on Steam some month ago. The other bolded thing might make sense if my striker didn't have excellent mentals, bar Positioning. Is Positioning way more important for scoring headers than I think? Now that I think of it, Gomez also has poor Technique as well, but my best scorer from set plays has it worse.

To score from headers more often it takes combination of good jumping, heading, off the ball, bravery, aggression? Concentration, composure. Someone add more? Its the overall value that counts not just some one value? Ofc heading atttibute is the most important  @Experienced Defender?Also crosser skills affect ofc.

Edited August 7, 2020 by Pasonen

[Bunkerossian]

3 hours ago, Criative said:

Are your crosses going to you Advanced Foward or your Winger?

I try to set them to the Target man, or if Gomez plays a different role, to wherever he is set in the formation.

[Criative]

56 minutos atrás, Bunkerossian disse:

I try to set them to the Target man, or if Gomez plays a different role, to wherever he is set in the formation.

So you are giving Individual Player Instructions?

[Bunkerossian]

2 hours ago, Criative said:

So you are giving Individual Player Instructions?

Yes, especially to wide defenders.