Will anyone be buying FM21?

[hyrule_king]

Yes, am going to have a year off fifa. Fifa has become so toxic and full of know it alls.

[steam just is]

The only problem with not buying it and skipping a year is we may have drudged our way through 2020, 19 and 18 only to miss a classic (if the ME gets a 17 makeover).

[HUNT3R]

1 hour ago, steam just is said:

The only problem with not buying it and skipping a year is we may have drudged our way through 2020, 19 and 18 only to miss a classic (if the ME gets a 17 makeover).

Yeah, so keep an eye on the feedback thread and also try the demo yourself when it lands. 

[Tiger666]

11 hours ago, HUNT3R said:

Yeah, so keep an eye on the feedback thread and also try the demo yourself when it lands. 

Is the best advice you'll find on here.

[dangngo6]

I will wait until the last patch to buy. This game engine is **** now, too old and too many bug, when you try to fix this one its just pop another one, i dont care about how many useless feature you put in the game if your match engine still bug like hell then its not working at all. 

[forameuss]

22 hours ago, dangngo6 said:

I will wait until the last patch to buy. This game engine is **** now, too old and too many bug, when you try to fix this one its just pop another one, i dont care about how many useless feature you put in the game if your match engine still bug like hell then its not working at all. 

Hate to tell you, but that's not a symptom of this match engine, it's a symptom of any match engine we're likely to get regardless of age or quality.

[westy8chimp]

I'll buy it and give it a go. Haven't enjoyed FM20 at all really. The ME in my opinion is very poor... but im willing to put it down to a work in progress as we had new functionality put in there. 

what im tempted to do is not look at this forum at all for the first few months. Sometimes we have too much information from other people over what doesn't work or what is an exploit and then you get possible confirmation bias... or you just don't enjoy winning as much cos the style you've chosen turns out to be an exploit. 

Lets say I want to recreate a very direct tactic next year and I go 442 with wingers...target man... and it works great... I think id be happy … without reading all day that wingers are overpowered and 442 is an exploit. if that makes sense? 

at least that way if I find behaviours im really not happy with … ive come to my own conclusions and given it a fair go

 

 

[Federico]

38 minuti fa, forameuss ha scritto:

Hate to tell you, but that's not a symptom of this match engine, it's a symptom of any match engine we're likely to get regardless of age or quality.

But you do realise this shouldn't happen do you

[forameuss]

40 minutes ago, Federico said:

But you do realise this shouldn't happen do you

Should rain happen either?  That's similarly pointless to argue against.

Software will ALWAYS have bugs.  The key is that those bugs end up throwing off the balance as little as possible.  But the only way a system like the match engine doesn't lead to whack-a-bug is if it MASSIVELY decreases in complexity.  And by that, I mean does far less and gets much worse.  You really think that's a good trade-off?  

I don't think you really know much about what you're talking about.

Edited September 10, 2020 by forameuss

[Marko1989]

On 08/09/2020 at 10:07, Harrison Bored said:

Hate to break it to you kid, but pretty sure the development team aren't sitting around a table saying "Marko1989 said the match engine is bad, so we'd better pull the stops out for the next version". 

Yes, of course they will not say - Marko said that the match engine is bad, let's make it better. Of course they will not do that. What they should say is - Hey, so many people said that the match engine is very bad, let's make it better.

[Federico]

45 minuti fa, forameuss ha scritto:

Should rain happen either?  That's similarly pointless to argue against.

Software will ALWAYS have bugs.  The key is that those bugs end up throwing off the balance as little as possible.  But the only way a system like the match engine doesn't lead to whack-a-bug is if it MASSIVELY decreases in complexity.  And by that, I mean does far less and gets much worse.  You really think that's a good trade-off?  

I don't think you really know much about what you're talking about.

Oh dear another wise-expert-you know nothing john snow of the forum.... yeah probably I'm not an expert about software.

I'm not sure what might make me think you are though.

Ah yeah, the example of the rain.

Well done, mission accomplished.

[forameuss]

30 minutes ago, Federico said:

Oh dear another wise-expert-you know nothing john snow of the forum.... yeah probably I'm not an expert about software.

I'm not sure what might make me think you are though.

Ah yeah, the example of the rain.

Well done, mission accomplished.

Really mature way of dealing with things and sticking up for your point.  Well done, missing accomplished.

I'm sorry it's upset you, but even if I didn't work in software for a job, I'd expect to think the same with basic common sense.  

[Federico]

About maturity, I loved how you accused someone to know nothing about something, and you probably know even less.

 

Now sorry, I have no more time for you.

[HUNT3R]

That's enough now, please.

[SazoJohnno]

I would most definitely buy FM21, just hoping that the covid season isnt included though 

 

Keep safe you guys <3

[themadsheep2001]

41 minutes ago, HUNT3R said:

That's enough now, please.

To echo this; we'd rather not, but if people can't post respectfully, we will have to take away your ability to post. Please bear this in mind, Thanks

[andu1]

Yes, i will be buying it. Can't wait for the announcement, bring it on!

[Tyler42]

I skipped FM20, the first FM I didn't buy since 2006 or 2007.

Why did I finally say no? The features list for FM20 was very disappointing in my opinion. The game is priced like a AAA game, yet there are aspects of it that have needed an overhaul for years, yet they see no reason to do so. If you are just doing yearly database updates, then don't try to price it like a new game.

I personally think that FM series suffers from the luxury of having no real competition on this genre, so there is no motive to really push things to the next level when you can just charge people $50 for the only game of its kind that is out there.

[Solstad1069]

Like Tyler says, why would they massivly improve anything when they can take babysteps (and not always in the right direction) and charge full price for whats imo just a patch.

[Football Manager Australia]

I've been buying the game since Championship Manager 01/02 in October 2001.

 

Of course I will be buying it. Great entertainment for 12 months at the price. 

[upthetoon]

On 11/09/2020 at 06:53, Tyler42 said:

I personally think that FM series suffers from the luxury of having no real competition on this genre, so there is no motive to really push things to the next level when you can just charge people $50 for the only game of its kind that is out there.

I agree. If there was competition out there, the match engine would have been modernised perhaps even with a completely new architecture and philosophy. 

Like all things in life, a little competition will spur one to go beyond and not stay in the comfort zone. I feel SI have been quite comfortable using the decades old engine and just playing safe, simply because there's no competition. Which has ended up with bugs that have been in the game for ages still not fixed. 

I'd even say the lack of competition is also holding SI back to be an even more successful and greater company than they already are. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by upthetoon

[herne79]

44 minutes ago, upthetoon said:

I agree. If there was competition out there, the match engine would have been modernised perhaps even with a completely new architecture and philosophy. 

Like all things in life, a little competition will spur one to go beyond and not stay in the comfort zone. I feel SI have been quite comfortable using the decades old engine and just playing safe, simply because there's no competition. Which has ended up with bugs that have been in the game for ages still not fixed. 

I'd even say the lack of competition is also holding SI back to be an even more successful and greater company than they already are. 

And yet SI have completely blown away all it's previous competition - and that in spite of it's apparently unmodern ME.

This whole lack of competition thing making SI "comfortable and playing it safe" is a misnomer.  Not only have SI seen off the competition, it's pretty disingenuous to the very hard working people at SI and it also ignores the issue of companies who fail to evolve their product (with or without competition) fail and die.  Yet FM sales remain stronger than ever.

A lack of competition does not hurt product development.  Resting on your laurels hurts product development, which is not something that SI does.

If you don't like the ME that's fair enough - pretty much all of us don't like some aspect or another - but that has nothing to do with lack of competition or SI being in a non-existent comfort zone.

[Federico]

As said somewhere else, the lack of competion should be considered a badge of honor for SI and not a complain as they succeeded where the others failed, may you like FM or not.

[upthetoon]

1 hour ago, herne79 said:

And yet SI have completely blown away all it's previous competition - and that in spite of it's apparently unmodern ME.

This whole lack of competition thing making SI "comfortable and playing it safe" is a misnomer.  Not only have SI seen off the competition, it's pretty disingenuous to the very hard working people at SI and it also ignores the issue of companies who fail to evolve their product (with or without competition) fail and die.  Yet FM sales remain stronger than ever.

A lack of competition does not hurt product development.  Resting on your laurels hurts product development, which is not something that SI does.

If you don't like the ME that's fair enough - pretty much all of us don't like some aspect or another - but that has nothing to do with lack of competition or SI being in a non-existent comfort zone.

Not true. In Economics or even in the course of an individual growth, competition is always necessary for growth. Competition in technological markets has resulted in much better consumer satisfactory. AMD - INTEL - NVIDIA etc. 
Competition in the marketplace boosts innovation and always benefits consumers. Economic policies are also developed with competition in mind. 

The modern world and every technological development is a result of competition one way or another. Without competitions and/or rivals, we will still be stroking wood for fire and light.

SI not resulting on their laurels & not being in comfort zone is your opinion. I respect it. But i don't agree. My opinion is on the contrary. So far most competitors have been useless that SI have managed to blow out of the water. Which is why i'm advocating the need for a healthy credible competition. Like intel has been for AMD. I always believe, with competition, we would have seen a completely new ME with the latest technological architecture some time back. 

Only with competition will we see SI grow even stronger. The competition may never usurp SI, SI are likely to be still the best out there, but it will keep spurring SI to innovate and give their best.

Competition is absolutely vital for growth.
I'll end here.

Thank you.

[herne79]

24 minutes ago, upthetoon said:

In Economics or even in the course of an individual growth, competition is always necessary for growth

This overlooks one very important factor - a company's own desire to grow and innovate, which is precisely what SI do.  You may not think SI do that but then why do they engage with the community through these forums, encouraging feedback and bug reports?  Why offer a Beta test?  As SI themselves say in this very thread:

Quote

We felt that introducing an opt-in public beta after the game was released allows our players to contribute and feedback in advance of us putting out an update. For us it was seen as a step forward in the process of amplifying our communities voice within the studio.

That doesn't sound like a company who are willing to stay in their comfort zone as you put it.  And on a personal level, from the relatively limited exposure I've had to SI both as a Moderator and engaged in other activities behind the scenes, I can assure you SI are ever striving to make it the best they can.  That's not an opinion, that actually happens.  Believing they are somehow playing it safe does them a great disservice and is completely false.

I agree that competition can help to drive growth, but companies can also be quite capable of driving themselves to do better.

[Novem9]

25 минут назад, herne79 сказал:

This overlooks one very important factor - a company's own desire to grow and innovate, which is precisely what SI do.  You may not think SI do that but then why do they engage with the community through these forums, encouraging feedback and bug reports?  Why offer a Beta test?  As SI themselves say in this very thread:

That doesn't sound like a company who are willing to stay in their comfort zone as you put it.  And on a personal level, from the relatively limited exposure I've had to SI both as a Moderator and engaged in other activities behind the scenes, I can assure you SI are ever striving to make it the best they can.  That's not an opinion, that actually happens.  Believing they are somehow playing it safe does them a great disservice and is completely false.

I agree that competition can help to drive growth, but companies can also be quite capable of driving themselves to do better.

I guess you and @upthetoon talking about not the same things.
You are interpret this as a kind of abuse for people in SI as I understood. Local. He is talking about global. No people issue, higher level.

Fresh example - Microsoft used low prices for new consoles and (looks like) Sony needs to correct own prices. Sony was good before Xbox? Yes. PlayStation 1 and 2 was in top, people loved them *
 But they started to be better by rivalry? For sure. They failed with PS3 and Xbox 360 won this battle - PS4 learned all mistakes and real progress was there. Its work in both sides.
(*btw Sony had a Rival of Sega consoles and they need to do best shot for win)

Its not about people dont work good. Its about if another one company created Match Engine with better graphics - SI probably find resources to improve own graphics. Probably not I dont know. But rivalry needs for companies to do more. For customers usually this is good.

Dark side - some companies lose battle and closed (SEGA consoles beat by Sony). Or it could be stagnation for both sides of rival - hello for FIFA and PES. 
Local - I dont believe that SI staff work bad. Global - I guess that if 2k Sports for example createw own manager - SI needs to find more resources for own improve. This is very selfishly but for costumers this 'arms race' / 'war for customers' is good in a short term. It could be worse in a long term (or not)

 

@herne79 I noticed you are in Development Squad? Congrs! 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Novem9

[Steve1977beyond]

Yeah definitely, currently playing FM18 Touch and loving it. Skipped 19 and wasn't too enamoured with the demo for 20 with players just passing back and forth. But will get it on PS5 as I'm sure it's coming out on the next gen consoles in the same way it's came out on Switch.

[Jorgen_B]

My answer is no. For a very long time, the product from SI has been far from realism in football: in each version, some important function does not work. Either the forwards do not score, or they score, but only with their feet, or the whole game through the flanks, or, conversely, the whole game through the center..

Edited September 12, 2020 by Jorgen_B

[Just-Wool]

Probably, I didn't play much of 20 because of general boredom due to the virus and me wanting to do things outside of my usual gaming for a while. 

In terms of bugs and stuff. Software can't be bug free, take it from someone who's job it is to make sure software is as good as it can be. There will always be bugs and there will always be a cut off point where the dev team need to stop supporting the current product to work on the next one.

Some of the bugs in the ME that have been reported will be rolled in to the 2021 ME. Some new ones might pop up, it's the nature of the beast. Some of the ones in there will be around for a while as they are deep seated issues that take a while to investigate and work on.  Software is getting more complex, tech is getting more advanced and affordable, these two things mean there is more chance of bugs appearing. Gamers just need to start to realise that bugs will happen and might take more time to fix or cannot be fixed without major re-writes in future versions basically.

[Huey Lewis]

On 12/09/2020 at 12:13, upthetoon said:

Not true. In Economics or even in the course of an individual growth, competition is always necessary for growth. Competition in technological markets has resulted in much better consumer satisfactory. AMD - INTEL - NVIDIA etc. 
Competition in the marketplace boosts innovation and always benefits consumers. Economic policies are also developed with competition in mind. 

The modern world and every technological development is a result of competition one way or another. Without competitions and/or rivals, we will still be stroking wood for fire and light.

SI not resulting on their laurels & not being in comfort zone is your opinion. I respect it. But i don't agree. My opinion is on the contrary. So far most competitors have been useless that SI have managed to blow out of the water. Which is why i'm advocating the need for a healthy credible competition. Like intel has been for AMD. I always believe, with competition, we would have seen a completely new ME with the latest technological architecture some time back. 

Only with competition will we see SI grow even stronger. The competition may never usurp SI, SI are likely to be still the best out there, but it will keep spurring SI to innovate and give their best.

Competition is absolutely vital for growth.
I'll end here.

Thank you.

Whether I agree with this or not isn't really relevant, what is are your choices having made this point. From where I sit they are:

- Learn to code and start building your own football management game
- Spend money on a rival football management game (there are a few out there, albeit fairly basic)
- Gather up a group of friends/investors and fund a brand new football management title
- Don't play or buy FM because you don't enjoy it (or out of spite)

Whilst there may be an element of relief for you, banging the drum about SI needing competition doesn't really help anyone. Whilst it is actually SI's fault there's no competition, they've done it by producing a title better than anything else. They haven't gone the EA route of buying out other rivals or making all the licences so exclusive no-one else can even release a game. They just did it by sticking to it and doing it better. And yeah they could make an even better game - sure there's ways they can be more efficient, invest in certain areas and like all businesses make sure waste is kept to a minimum. But not really sure how by just posting here and getting a handful of upvotes you're really spurring anyone on? 

[Defensive]

When can we expect first feature announcements?

[Gee_Simpson]

I'll buy it but may wait until the final patch.

[Sunstrikuuu]

I'll do what I did with FM19 and FM20 - I'll pre-order as soon as it goes on sale, play the full beta and decide whether I'm going to keep the game or refund based on the state of the game's final beta patch.

[HotDogManUK]

I'll definitely buy it if the current way of life remains as it is as I've really enjoyed FM19. I actually came to the site to find the release date so at present I will buy it.

If life goes back to normal though I'll probably wait for next year's edition, I tend to purchase one edition every 2-3 years and usually when I can get it for around £20.

[MrGlenn1337]

I doubt it. Since FM 18, in my opinion, the game has gotten worse.

Recently installed FM 16 and it felt better than FM 20. The attackers scored 1v1's, your IF's scored, even your false 9 scored, AND YOUR WINGBACKS DIDN'T SHOOT ALL THE TIME as they do in FM 20.....

But this FM is by far the worst, I think. Your worldclass attackers hardly score CCC's, your most creative players act like they play in the lower leagues as you rarely see any opening passes or through balls, and the wingbacks are a joke, they shoot all the time instead of trying a cross or a pass... When you play tiki taka your midfielders only pass it around among themselves, your attacking players hardly make any runs, and when you get an opportunity they either shoot straight at the keeper or blast it 5 metres out side of the post. And Gegenpress is way too op. Seen so many tactics and most of 'em are more or less based on Gengenpress. 

[dolph11]

1 hour ago, MrGlenn1337 said:

I doubt it. Since FM 18, in my opinion, the game has gotten worse.

Recently installed FM 16 and it felt better than FM 20. The attackers scored 1v1's, your IF's scored, even your false 9 scored, AND YOUR WINGBACKS DIDN'T SHOOT ALL THE TIME as they do in FM 20.....

But this FM is by far the worst, I think. Your worldclass attackers hardly score CCC's, your most creative players act like they play in the lower leagues as you rarely see any opening passes or through balls, and the wingbacks are a joke, they shoot all the time instead of trying a cross or a pass... When you play tiki taka your midfielders only pass it around among themselves, your attacking players hardly make any runs, and when you get an opportunity they either shoot straight at the keeper or blast it 5 metres out side of the post. And Gegenpress is way too op. Seen so many tactics and most of 'em are more or less based on Gengenpress. 

Admittedly my formation is rather attacking and I do score a lot of goals yet in ten seasons not once has one of my lone-strikers finished top scorer in my team. I think that speaks volumes. I'm a successful team and create enough opportunities for them to score. The amount that they have missed between them over the seasons is embarrassingly unrealistic! People can say 'it's your tactic' or 'it's because you're playing an attacking style'. A load of cobblers. My forwards consistently miss fantastic opportunities, I still win leagues, but that's not the point. The whole game ME feels off because of it.

[JordanMilly]

22 minutes ago, dolph11 said:

Admittedly my formation is rather attacking and I do score a lot of goals yet in ten seasons not once has one of my lone-strikers finished top scorer in my team. I think that speaks volumes. I'm a successful team and create enough opportunities for them to score. The amount that they have missed between them over the seasons is embarrassingly unrealistic! People can say 'it's your tactic' or 'it's because you're playing an attacking style'. A load of cobblers. My forwards consistently miss fantastic opportunities, I still win leagues, but that's not the point. The whole game ME feels off because of it.

Meanwhile I have a relatively attacking formation (4-2-3-1 Wide on Positive), and have Haaland and Sékou Koïta (as my rotational striker) banging in 24 in 35 matches and 16 goals in 19 matches (and 8 subs) in my last season and are my two highest goalscorers. So yes, tactics can play a part, because I set my roles to get the ball through to the Complete Forward in the box.

They don't even have a stupid number of shots and shots off target compared to RL stats. Haaland in my last season had 128 shots, 71 on target, so he was on target 55% of the time, and scored 20 in the league. Meanwhile, in just the Premier League, Salah had 132 shots (the most out of everyone) and 59 on target (again, most out of everyone), and scored 19, 44% shots on target. Hell, Vardy, who scored the most last season in the league, had 43 shots on target from 89 total shots (48% accuracy), and scored 23 in the league.

(Shots can be found: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_scoring_att, and shots on target https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/ontarget_scoring_att)

It's entirely possible to get your players to be more accurate and/or comparable to real life, you're just never going to be scoring the majority of them, because that doesn't happen IRL either, and if you play too aggressively and too attacking, the players are going to be making a hell of a lot of shots that are just bad shots, because they've basically been told to shoot every time they see the goal for more than 2 seconds.

[dolph11]

13 minutes ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

Meanwhile I have a relatively attacking formation (4-2-3-1 Wide on Positive), and have Haaland and Sékou Koïta (as my rotational striker) banging in 24 in 35 matches and 16 goals in 19 matches (and 8 subs) in my last season and are my two highest goalscorers. So yes, tactics can play a part, because I set my roles to get the ball through to the Complete Forward in the box.

They don't even have a stupid number of shots and shots off target compared to RL stats. Haaland in my last season had 128 shots, 71 on target, so he was on target 55% of the time, and scored 20 in the league. Meanwhile, in just the Premier League, Salah had 132 shots (the most out of everyone) and 59 on target (again, most out of everyone), and scored 19, 44% shots on target. Hell, Vardy, who scored the most last season in the league, had 43 shots on target from 89 total shots (48% accuracy), and scored 23 in the league.

(Shots can be found: https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_scoring_att, and shots on target https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/ontarget_scoring_att)

It's entirely possible to get your players to be more accurate and/or comparable to real life, you're just never going to be scoring the majority of them, because that doesn't happen IRL either, and if you play too aggressively and too attacking, the players are going to be making a hell of a lot of shots that are just bad shots, because they've basically been told to shoot every time they see the goal for more than 2 seconds.

I genuinely wish I could show you a highlight reel. 

[JR866Gunner]

SI have gone unchallenged for some time now in the FM on desktop front which has helped them surge and whilst some might expect that to cause laziness as there is no competition I think that has lead them to be a bit more inventive with some features which they may have held back on before.

The games in my opinion are getting stronger and stronger becoming more realistic but that also comes with it a big challenge as the game becomes a bit harder. I dont personally have hte time to plough into it like I used to but I thoroughly enjoy  being immersed in the virtual world when I play.

I dont personally get as much value out of the title anymore however I shall be looking to aquire 2021 this year.

I have FM Mobile on phone, FM Touch on Swith and full fat FM on PC but I know for certain I will only be buying the PC version this year. If I am going to get some moneys worth, I would rather my old fave PC flavour of FM.

I am happy it will be a little delayed though as I am enjoying my Shrews save in their first venture into the championship - wow its a challenge lower down that league!

[Svenc]

@ topic: Hundreds of thousands.

Next.

[jase19]

On 12/09/2020 at 06:28, Federico said:

As said somewhere else, the lack of competion should be considered a badge of honor for SI and not a complain as they succeeded where the others failed, may you like FM or not.

A lot of that is because people play FM out of tradition, so to speak.  I'm pretty sure it was the first.  Well, Championship Manager but most know the story.  
 

I've never tried another one, I don't have the time or patience to give it a go.  Plenty of people have kids who play just because they do too.  Then get addicted.  Or though friends who got addicted through parents or whatever... Tradition man, tradition.  It's not the quality, right now.  Especially when you're younger and haven't played anything like it.  You just get hooked on it because it's new and fun and the best ever.  Then you find all the problems after you've played constantly forever. 

[He can't believe he's missed it]

Always pre ordered but won't this time due to the state of the FM20 release, will probably still buy when it's on sale and it's had the patchwork

[Double Indemnity]

Here's my time played on Steam.

FM11: 792 hours
FM12: 780 hours
FM13: 641 hours
FM14: 668 hours
FM15: 285 hours
FM16: 337  hours
FM17: 302 hours
FM18: 276 hours
FM19: 118 hours
FM20: 0 hours, despite receiving the game for free

It's not looking good for FM21.

[MrGlenn1337]

13 hours ago, dolph11 said:

Admittedly my formation is rather attacking and I do score a lot of goals yet in ten seasons not once has one of my lone-strikers finished top scorer in my team. I think that speaks volumes. I'm a successful team and create enough opportunities for them to score. The amount that they have missed between them over the seasons is embarrassingly unrealistic! People can say 'it's your tactic' or 'it's because you're playing an attacking style'. A load of cobblers. My forwards consistently miss fantastic opportunities, I still win leagues, but that's not the point. The whole game ME feels off because of it.

Same here. Feels quite bad when you have a good forward with greats stats and he hardly ever scores. I mean, feels so weird when players like Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappé, Vardy, Agüero, Salah and Immobile miss 1v1's all the time, and when they get a CCC they hardly make 'em count.

Although I had one season with Chelsea when I got Tammy to win the golden boot. But he only won it thanks to some corner bug, or at least I think it is a bug, I never set up my corners simply 'cause I'm like Pep, I want my goals from open play. But Tammy scored between 7-8 goals from Corners and set pieces. Same thing when I managed Juve. Ronaldo scored a ton of goals from corners. I mean, sure if you have great stats for heading and jumping you should score loads with your head, but when it most of the time comes from corners and not crosses from open play I kinda feel like it's a bug.  

I should also add that on my Chelsea save when Tammy scored a lot of goals for me, he also missed so many easy goals like 1v1's or a simple tap-in. Some games he could get 3-4 1v1's and miss them all. Sure, the first season he's not the best striker, but when you see players with 11-12 in finishing winning the golden boot you kinda feel like the is scripted. 

I remember 1 season when Poulsen in RBL scored 28 goals. And he has really poor finishing. But when you have a striker that's world class he can hardly score at all sometimes. 

[sulljda]

Sadly, this is the first year where the game has become truly monotonous.

At some point in the season your team will just turn on its head and forget how to score or defend for no reason.

One of your best players from the previous season will get a serious injury meaning you bring through someone else who takes his place.

A high reputation team will struggle early season then do well towards the end just failing to make Europe.

No one player scores over 25 in the league even though teams still score a load.

The same repetitive bugs in the ME meaning you see the same matches each time. And sadly when you watch the goals a bug accounts for around 80% of the them that are scored.

Oh yes and the actual match engine itself that is so bad it made me test it by putting one teams players all with 20's and another teams players all with 1's and you guessed it the team with 1's won 1-0 from a 1vs1 where the CB ran away to mark a player leaving space even though there were 2 other defenders to mark the player. 

After this I can no longer play this game let alone buy the next version.

I do hope the game continues to get bought and played by others as it has given me 10's of years of joy. Plus during this awful pandemic I wouldn't want the staff at SI impacted as it has done to so many people.

But now enough is enough. Adios

[naterego93]

Just make the ME like FM 17 with all the bells & whistles of FM 20 and you have yourself a buyer. For the love of God have an overview tab of Japanese teams, know the license issues but surely "we" can "edit" them out

[TheVerySpecialOne]

This is the most negative FM community I know. Is that a bad thing? Maybe not necessarily, some would say the most demanding, the one that's the hardest to satisfy :D. I've enjoyed playing FM20, yeah, I get frustrated, but that's just the part of FM of course. Maybe it's just love for the sport speaking, but I really think FM is a great immersive game where I can spend hours and won't feel bored. Yeah, there are the details that bother me, but all in all, I enjoyed Championship manager 4 and let's be honest, that game can't be compared to today's FM and I'll preorder FM21.

I don't know which other games you guys play, but games like NBA 2K (I love basketball) and FIFA are really going away from the sim part of it and are becoming more and more built for the community and players that spend the most money and neglect what sports that these game represent really are about. It's turning into an arcade show. I respect SI because they are, in comparison to these companies, respectful to it's community, they don't make money grab mechanisms and are trying to create a game to be as close to it's sport as possible. Maybe they didn't satisfy your need and what you would want from a football manager game, but still, I will, without a doubt, keep on supporting SI and FM.

Edited September 17, 2020 by TheVerySpecialOne

[hendredenny]

Well I've played FM for donkeys (well  I am manager of Blackpool ) years and years, accepting the slightly bad and the very good. I'll be there for FM21 and more, although I am 75. Perhaps one day I'll qualify for a long serving pen or something !

[wspence_uk]

Ive bought every year since championship manager italia and for the last 4-5 years its gotten harder to justify unfortunately, theres been a huge lack of innovation for a while now and more than ever im surprised one of the big publishers has not taken a decent shot at making a valid competitor cause this series is ripe for the taking. Sure it sells a ton every year still but with a competent competitor they'd steal a ton of players and bring back lapsed fans of the past.

Even with this in mind I am sure i will still buy FM21 but god do I wish a had a choice, hell the competition might finally light a fire under SI to add decent features besides redundant crap like social media and trash player interactions of guess the right answer.

[forameuss]

45 minutes ago, wspence_uk said:

Ive bought every year since championship manager italia and for the last 4-5 years its gotten harder to justify unfortunately, theres been a huge lack of innovation for a while now and more than ever im surprised one of the big publishers has not taken a decent shot at making a valid competitor cause this series is ripe for the taking. Sure it sells a ton every year still but with a competent competitor they'd steal a ton of players and bring back lapsed fans of the past.

Even with this in mind I am sure i will still buy FM21 but god do I wish a had a choice, hell the competition might finally light a fire under SI to add decent features besides redundant crap like social media and trash player interactions of guess the right answer.

A few points on that.  What exactly would be this "huge innovation" that you feel they're missing out on?

And how exactly do you figure they are "ripe for the taking" given that anyone new to the genre would be literal decades behind in a few areas.  Not to mention that there was a huge publisher who took a shot at them, and they ultimately failed so hard they left the market entirely.  

And you say they'd "steal a ton of players", but from where?  Currently they're likely at saturation - people who want to play football management games will play FM.  Those who don't, won't.  Of course they're likely to have a minority group that would buy if changes are made, but there isn't this huge untapped market sitting out there.

The competition argument always sounds great, but people can quote economics 101 classes all they like, but it's nowhere near as simple as people like to make out.