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7 hours ago, Neil Brock said:

We'd love to have a bigger staff with more resources, but the reality of the games market mean there are a lot of companies going after similar talent, which means it's hard to do everything we want to. 

That's not a games industry issue, it's probably across all of IT/Software jobs as we have the same issues recruiting in cyber security. So anyone worried about robots taking all the jobs, train into software development.

Not that I've looked often but I've never seen any project management type roles advertised at SI, one of the glassdoor reviews explicitly says there isn't any, so there may well be an element of working smarter with what you have that's needed (isn't that an option in media interviews?) rather than just trying to get more people in. I'd have loved to try project managing an FM release but I've never had any interest living near London :)

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3 hours ago, jwccfc1987 said:

Perhaps a behind the scenes type video could go a long way to addressing some of these and other concerns? Seeing people at work, particularly programmers, or whatever else you felt like.

Given office lockdowns in the UK, I wouldn't expect that for a number of months, if at all.

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35 minutes ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

Given office lockdowns in the UK, I wouldn't expect that for a number of months, if at all.

A guy typing on a computer isn't really a thrilling watch :D

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24 minutes ago, EdL said:

A guy typing on a computer isn't really a thrilling watch :D

"Hi there, I'm John, and right now I'm laying out the settings menu :)"

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If you're lucky. From my experience, it's more likely to go something like this: "Hi there, I'm John, and right now I'm investigating why this recursive function call never reaches the base case. After that, I'll be looking into why the root of my min heap isn't the smallest node in the tree."

 

 

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Haven't played a lot of this years game because I really don't enjoy the match engine so I can wait on the next one. Probably the first FM I don't intend buying on launch.

What's really disappointing is the game gets written off less than 6 months after launch when there's clearly a lot more work left to be done and I felt the same happened with 19. I'd rather buy a quality product I enjoy than get rinsed for easy money year after year when the game is dropping in standard and potentially left unfinished

 

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7 hours ago, EdL said:

A guy typing on a computer isn't really a thrilling watch :D

I don't know - fascinating setups! 

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15 minutes ago, Smurf said:

I don't know - fascinating setups! 

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A laptop with Slack and 8 IDE's covering three other screens? Worst use of screens I've seen! :p

Or is the bottom left node or something...

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Haven’t read the whole thread, but to answer the original post, I will 100% be buying fm21 whenever that may be.

The ME will never be perfect and will always have quirks and the odd bug, everyone obviously has different opinions on it, and while there are some very annoying parts there’s also good parts, so I wouldn’t say it broken or unplayable.

Everything outside the ME for me is brilliant and gives great depth and detail.

It’s looking like I will record more hours on fm20 than I have done on any fm for many years. For the price of the game and the hundreds of hours that is sunk into it, it’s great value.

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without fail.

 

Its the only game i buy every year whatever happens.  Obviously there are others too, but i tend to wait for reviews etc with them.

 

Fm i buy on day one, regardless

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Yeah I'll buy it, buy it every year  and would do so even if they doubled the price as bizarre as it sounds to those with issues with the match engine etc. 

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Just now, JordanMillward_1 said:

 

My bad sorry didn’t realise, can remove my comment about it if need to.

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I did not buy 20. I was so dissapointed with fm18 then 19 was ok but it was to easy. I won every title teams just would sit back and not attack didnt matter if you where playing cl finals. Plus it was very predictable what was going to happen.

I gave up when barcelona lined up like this in the second half at nou camp when i was real madrid and i was winning 2-0.

So i wont buy fm again until i see improvements. I cant justify it to myself to sink 3000+ hours into a game (i usually dont turn off my cpu so i let the game idle) i would love to but if im not enjoying it then i dont see the point. I have played every version since cm1 and often buy it and not play that much but bought it to support si.

Hopefully one day i can play this great game again there are so many enjoyful hours i have spent playing this game and so many memories over the years.  Truly the best game ever.

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Nope. Bought 19 after the last patch. wasn't impressed.

Skipped 20. Reading the comments they are almost exactly similar to 19. Shows the problems in 19 is still carried over to 20. and looking at the ME in youtube by popular players, i'm so glad i skipped it.

this series is definitely stagnating or even going backwards to the hardcore fanbase. in my opinion the game is now more for the larger casual fanbase. the hardcore fanbase who have high expectation and are used to having a great ME are going to be disappointed in the upcoming versions as well.

unless i see a drastic ME changes, i will skip 21 too.

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I've stopped now due to the match engine and am playing Fifa instead, but by the time November comes around I'll be back on board and raring to go.

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It's been nearly 10 years since I properly played a new version of FM - I guess I think I'm ready to move on from FM12 and give FM21 a go. 

Or at least whatever the next version of the game is if they decide to forego 21 with Covid19 issues etc.

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13 hours ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

 

@Neil Brock Not sure if you  need to change the paragraph around Ched Evans to alleged. He had a retrial and was found not guilty and had his conviction quashed. 

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I'll buy it so I have a good reason visit this forum, mainly the bugs section.

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On 14/05/2020 at 23:32, glenjamin said:

No I will not be buying it having bought every edition previously. 

Throughout the entire lockdown I didn't play FM for one minute. That gave me my answer. FM20 is the worst installment yet and I'm not putting more time and money into a game that frustrates me more than excites me. I'm also sick of buying it year after year and finding there's too many bugs and have to wait until the final patch before I can even begin to enjoy it. 

This is exactly how I feel, ive been a passionate player for the last 15 years but theres just no fun anymore just frustration and confusion, its so repetitive and soulless compared to fm17 which was fun to play, when watching a 3D match I can tell whats about to happen before it happens.

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As per usual since '97 I will probably pick a copy up. Sure, I have problems with releases, overall I enjoy Football Manager.

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4 hours ago, Smurf said:

@Neil Brock Not sure if you  need to change the paragraph around Ched Evans to alleged. He had a retrial and was found not guilty and had his conviction quashed. 

It has it as an asterisk underneath it.

*Bear in mind this conviction has now been overturned and Ched Evans was ruled to have not committed this crime. 

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5 hours ago, dcaine100 said:

This is exactly how I feel, ive been a passionate player for the last 15 years but theres just no fun anymore just frustration and confusion, its so repetitive and soulless compared to fm17 which was fun to play, when watching a 3D match I can tell whats about to happen before it happens.

I would fully agree with this, But I may well buy it now.  The ME still sucks, but I feel like giving some money to SI to fight that which cannot be discussed

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I'm buying it. I do every year. I believe in what they're doing think it's one of the best value games on the market. 

Some years are better than others but that's life for you. 21 will be as successful as ever, as the few dissenting voices on these forums tend to amplify an apparent growing constituency of anti-FMers. Which really isn't reflected in the sales figures. 
A bit like the election. Labour won by a country-mile on Social Media. But back in real life.......... 

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12 minutes ago, Nonlondoner said:


A bit like the election. Labour won by a country-mile on Social Media. But back in real life.......... 

Not at all sure what equivalence you're attempting to draw here, given more than ten million people voted Labour, social media output regarding this was hardly a skewering of reality. Further, using the current UK government as an example of "people bought it so it must be Good Actually" severely diminishes, not enhances, this argument. 

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I get more & more disheartened with each release.

But FM is the only way I spend my 'free time' while I'm on my PC so, yeah, I will most likely be making an early purchase.

And in light of the current dispute regarding a certain club that we cannot discuss, I'm will to throw my support toward SI even more. 

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