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So I sighed kimmich and one of the promises was that I would strengthen the first team. So in the same window I also bought donnarumma and hoped for the best. After the window he comes and tells me he wants to leave because I didn't keep his promise, what do I do? Do goalkeepers not count? I have no money left to sign new players either

 

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What team are you? What year are you in? 

Key thing is not to make promises unless you can keep them

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It looks like he did keep the promise, as long as Donnarumma is better than the other keepers, job done.

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20 hours ago, Spacebear345 said:

So I sighed kimmich and one of the promises was that I would strengthen the first team. So in the same window I also bought donnarumma and hoped for the best. After the window he comes and tells me he wants to leave because I didn't keep his promise, what do I do? Do goalkeepers not count? I have no money left to sign new players either

 

In terms of keeping Kimmich happy your only options are reloading a save which is before the promise, or before the window shuts and signing more players. Other than that, if you have the in game editor you could use to “remove unhappiness”. 

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14 minutes ago, Legendary Manager said:

I have had a player unhappy for over 12 months.... does he ever cheer up?

 

Sometimes yes, if you're having good results and winning trophies, in most cases he will

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On 30/03/2020 at 19:15, Spacebear345 said:

So I sighed kimmich and one of the promises was that I would strengthen the first team. So in the same window I also bought donnarumma and hoped for the best. After the window he comes and tells me he wants to leave because I didn't keep his promise, what do I do? Do goalkeepers not count? I have no money left to sign new players either

 

This annoys me as well. I was playing as Everton and Jordan Pickford had a breakdown over me selling Richarlison to Man United. I had a chat with him and the only way to shut him up was to promise I'd be signing better players, so not to worry. It was a stupid one anyway as Richarlison didn't fit into my tactics and barely ever played. I used the money from him to buy Fabio Silva (Top scorer in the Prem, higher value and higher rep than Richarlison), Camavinga and Koulibaly (Vastly better than my centre backs of Mina and Holgate). Pickford told me at the end of the window that he'd lost his trust in me and didn't feel like he could speak to me again. Pickford's unhappiness messages stated he was moaning to other players and before long he'd roped Leon Bailey and Andre Gomes into hating me as well. Richarlison wasn't even in the top social group either. The whole squad just seems to be fragile and I forgot about Mason Holgate for a few games and now he's trying to stage a coup because I've not given him the agreed playing time. There really should be a 'sorry, I forgot you even existed. I'll play you now' option in the conversations.

I'm presuming the way the mechanic for this works is that you have to buy someone better in the same position? Richarlison being a winger wasn't replaced as I don't play wingers.

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The player happiness module is at best over-sensitive and at worst, flawed IMO..The squad's continual over reaction to decisions that you as manager make, particularly with regard to other player's playing time and contract is hard to understand.  I have found that if you are hard from day 1 and increase your discipline attribute, you can eventually say no regularly without too much impact, as long as the team is performing well on the pitch.

The obvious answer, however, is to promise nothing and that works as well.

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I reckon it's way easier to take the initial unhappiness hit from a player disagreeing with you than making any promise. In the end, Fergie said it the way it was: "my way or the highway" is easier than dealing with micro-managing the whim of each player in the squad.

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22 minutes ago, FrazT said:

The player happiness module is at best over-sensitive and at worst, flawed IMO..The squad's continual over reaction to decisions that you as manager make, particularly with regard to other player's playing time and contract is hard to understand.  I have found that if you are hard from day 1 and increase your discipline attribute, you can eventually say no regularly without too much impact, as long as the team is performing well on the pitch.

The obvious answer, however, is to promise nothing and that works as well.

Playing in the lower leagues is tough, as you can sell players to clubs in higher leagues and players just won't accept it as they don't seem to recognise natural career ambition.

"You could have done more to keep him"

I'm in the Conference South and I sold a prospect to the Championship. What more did you want me to do? I'm not going to try and keep him and stunt his career ffs.

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On 31/03/2020 at 21:57, Legendary Manager said:

I have had a player unhappy for over 12 months.... does he ever cheer up?

 

There are certain players who regardless of their squad status and the amount of playing time never seem to cheer up. I had Harry Kane, who was permanently "concerned" even when he was playing every game. Until you left him out for one game, and then he was "alienated." I have three midfielders - two squad players, one regular starter, all have been concerned for two seasons, again regardless of playing time. 

The squad status thing is a great idea, but it seems to me to need a little refinement.

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The players happiness is awful in this game. For example I constantly have players unhappy at their situation at club, and it NEVER shows why they're unhappy in their unhappiness section. I've started three threads on this in bugs but SI deem in not important enough to successfully investigate. 

Despite what some people above say, the "my way or the highway" approach can work in real life because they're humans being managed. This is a set of numbers, and morale does negatively affect the way your players play if it is low. And like Covid - IT SPREADS 

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I bought a world class GK at some point, I did promiss him to bring in a friend ... I didn´t know about that and was out of funds anyway. He was unhappy for 3 seasons, justified? maybe .... I thought he would make other friends once he learned the language or speak to the other Portuguese in the club as I had 4 of those (the GK was Brazilian), he was apparently socially awkward I guess and never got a friend.

To be fair, he did perform okayish in the 3 seasons. 

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I just get rid of all these things like this in contract negotiation. Since it is never clear what I have to do. Strengthen my squad by what metric? 

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1 hour ago, sporadicsmiles said:

I just get rid of all these things like this in contract negotiation. Since it is never clear what I have to do. Strengthen my squad by what metric? 

Correct- If the money offer is right, all other conditions can be excluded without any effect whatsoever.

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2 hours ago, sporadicsmiles said:

I just get rid of all these things like this in contract negotiation. Since it is never clear what I have to do. Strengthen my squad by what metric? 

I've always found these promises to be too vague.

There is no real guide as to what 'strengthen the squad/position/coaching staff really means.' Similarly with concerns about lack of depth- what is enough depth? Does it take tactics into consideration? For example if I only use one striker, I'd be happy with having 3 in the first team squad, especially if I've got a decent option in the youth teams or a player who can play upfront as a secondary position.

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Yeah these "Promises", you allways have to keep an eye on the Promise Section and as long it is not a green Bubble the Promise is not fullfilled and even it is fullfilled a simple sale of a to you complete unimportant Player may be seen as promise breaking.

I had this situation recently when i promised to strengthen my Defenders and go one i bought only to fullfill the promise with the Intention to let him go asap and then got Hand on an 18yrs old supertalent and thought that may do and shelved the other Player but instead it broke the promise - yet the 18yrs old is so much better but of lacks reputation by now.

The Players immediatealy asked to leave the club but as i had wisely given them contracts for some more years already i said stay and get over it - by the winter Transfer window they will have forgotten it already and be happy to stay...

Edited by Etebaer

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6 minutes ago, KingCanary said:

I've always found these promises to be too vague.

There is no real guide as to what 'strengthen the squad/position/coaching staff really means.' Similarly with concerns about lack of depth- what is enough depth? Does it take tactics into consideration? For example if I only use one striker, I'd be happy with having 3 in the first team squad, especially if I've got a decent option in the youth teams or a player who can play upfront as a secondary position.

I didn't really experience any problems with promising to strenghthen the squad. I alwas just bring a player that has better current ability perceived by scouts then the player I was letting go when the issue came up. If I think I can't bring someone like that I don't make that promise.

However I did have some problems with the squad depth issue. I was playing with 4 at the back and in that case form 4 CBs are enough but some of my players had a slight concern about depth in CB position, In the end I just ignored them but it was a bit annoying.

 

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yes mine slipped past me somehow. I had allegedly agreed to loan him out and even though he was starting game (30+ starts) he was unhappy I didnt loan out WTF

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