nick1408 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 So I have been playing as Everton (I asked various questions in this thread - https://community.sigames.com/topic/512575-ancelottis-everton-how-do-i-setup/) and am now in my second season. I thought I needed to recruit and one particular position was the right winger. I had a look at the players at my disposal and thought Sandro would fit the bill pretty well. From here it made me think "how do I know if he is actually performing in the new role?" Overall rating is an indicator a lot use but I felt this is skewed a bit much by goals and assists. What about when the winger doesn't sore? Is there any way I can see if he is still adding to the team or if I need to drop him? I created the filter above but am I looking at the right thing? I know a lot of it comes down to what I want him to do. At the moment I'm not much further on than "I want him to play well" but what does that mean? In the above graphic I have crosses attempted and completed average which seems logical for a crossing game. I'm pretty sure I have two faults here - a) I'm not really playing a crossing game with a narrow attack and b) I'm pretty sure corners count towards crosses. What can I take from this data when it may actually me skewed? I'm playing a shorter passing game so passes completed seems right. If it was the midfield paring and the WP I think I'd also be looking at key passes. Dribbles seems a smart thing for the wingers but what do I actually want to see here? I have run at defence on so I think a higher completion rate would be a KPI. The wings are set to close down more, tackle harder and mark tighter so I have tackles per game set. Goals, assists, chances and all the ratios I think are self explanatory. Averages are there for... I don't really know! I'm trying to look at the stats objectively while steering away from what could be potentially a skewed rating. In the movie 'Moneyball' Oakland Athletics looked at on base percentage leading to runs. We don't have access to expected goals (@crusadertsar's website wrote an article on xG - https://dictatethegame.com/2019/09/27/getting-expected-goals-or-xg-into-fm19/) and in what I am looking at I think expected assists or even something else would be more useful. So, what I am asking is (and I apologise for the very specific question) how do I know if Sandro is performing as a winger (or really, how any player is performing in a particular position/role). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigMattic1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, nick1408 said: So I have been playing as Everton (I asked various questions in this thread - https://community.sigames.com/topic/512575-ancelottis-everton-how-do-i-setup/) and am now in my second season. I thought I needed to recruit and one particular position was the right winger. I had a look at the players at my disposal and thought Sandro would fit the bill pretty well. From here it made me think "how do I know if he is actually performing in the new role?" Overall rating is an indicator a lot use but I felt this is skewed a bit much by goals and assists. What about when the winger doesn't sore? Is there any way I can see if he is still adding to the team or if I need to drop him? I created the filter above but am I looking at the right thing? I know a lot of it comes down to what I want him to do. At the moment I'm not much further on than "I want him to play well" but what does that mean? In the above graphic I have crosses attempted and completed average which seems logical for a crossing game. I'm pretty sure I have two faults here - a) I'm not really playing a crossing game with a narrow attack and b) I'm pretty sure corners count towards crosses. What can I take from this data when it may actually me skewed? I'm playing a shorter passing game so passes completed seems right. If it was the midfield paring and the WP I think I'd also be looking at key passes. Dribbles seems a smart thing for the wingers but what do I actually want to see here? I have run at defence on so I think a higher completion rate would be a KPI. The wings are set to close down more, tackle harder and mark tighter so I have tackles per game set. Goals, assists, chances and all the ratios I think are self explanatory. Averages are there for... I don't really know! I'm trying to look at the stats objectively while steering away from what could be potentially a skewed rating. In the movie 'Moneyball' Oakland Athletics looked at on base percentage leading to runs. We don't have access to expected goals (@crusadertsar's website wrote an article on xG - https://dictatethegame.com/2019/09/27/getting-expected-goals-or-xg-into-fm19/) and in what I am looking at I think expected assists or even something else would be more useful. So, what I am asking is (and I apologise for the very specific question) how do I know if Sandro is performing as a winger (or really, how any player is performing in a particular position/role). I've been toying with this idea but I have no idea how to implement it into a spreadsheet. I have the one for xG so it could, potentially, just be a case of substituting the shots/goals stats for assists/goals or something like that. I have looked at countless websites but I'm no further forward with regards to looking at other 'key' stats. I would like to think something like this would be possible but I'm at a loss at present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkn20 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Taking a seat here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharza_FM Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) Bump.. found through a "Moneyball" search. Trying to create a system to maximize selling potential of my youth academy but I can help you with some of your stats calcs. You want to look at Dribbles per 90 and Key Passes Per 90 to evaluate wingers and generally I use this for most attacking positions. The below dashboard came from an old stats assessment conversation on Discord awhile ago.. Here is the dashboard I use in the game: Depending on your system I look at Asts/90, Ch C/90, DRBPG, K PS/90, CR C/A for my wingers. DRBPG and K PS/90 being the key stats for are they creating "scoring chances". If you look at my 2 wingers in this only 5-6 games in they are averaging over 5 dribbles per game and the MR has 1.98 key passes per 90 and in the first 6 games he's been lighting it up. Edited March 27, 2020 by Kharza_FM 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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