Popular Post majesticeternity Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) Real Life Transfermarkt Data Applied to 30 Nations: Change the Way you Play ***NOTE: This mod changes the way you build a squad, buy/sell players, how you approach competitions, manage money, etc. Please read everything below so you understand fully.** Intro: This project was made as an attempt to provide a "better" experience in buying/selling, and a more realistic league landscape in the transfer market. It's been a massive project, which started by extracting the information of every single player above 100 reputation, based in each of the 30 nations. After that, extracting the current Transfermarkt values for all those players and comparing them for each reputation range. Then coming up with a balanced, average increase/decrease based on the findings. Finally, testing the new values across the nations, to create a new, realistic representation. Of course, market values are very subjective, constantly changing, and can never be fully accurate. But in the end, this file seems to generally improve things. Features: Nations Changed: Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Chile, China, Colombia, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, England, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Ireland, Russia, Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, USA. It's hard to list features, the best thing is to give examples: Example - Chinese Super League: In a default save, the COMBINED market value of the Top 13 players based in China was £311m / €374m / $406m. Using Transfermarkt values, the combined value is £138m / €166m / $180m. A huge difference! With this file, the new combined value is £195m / €234m / $254m. Much more realistic and reasonable. Example of Real-life 2019/2020 Winter Transfers versus FM Transfers: *Note: The Realistic Transfer Preferences file was also used* Example - Real 2019/2020 Transfer Window versus new FM (for Top Division): Example - Managing in England: The most famous players are worth absolute fortunes. So, you can enjoy the extreme riches that the Premier League holds. But for a struggling relegation side, you'll have to make do with the Championship and similar-type players, as the top ones will be out of your reach. Poaching clubs like Barca and PSG may have a harder time prying away the top players, but when they do, you'll make a fortune. Those outside the best, though, will struggle to bridge the gap, as player values have reduced. They will struggle as real-life Championship and lower leagues do, with players leaving for greener pastures and fewer profits from player sales. On the other hand, picking up new players will be easier, as they cost less, meaning an easier budget to manage, and more wiggle room for those high wages requested. Example - Managing in Scotland: The higher reputation player's values will have dropped, meaning that you will struggle more to earn enough cash by one or two player sales. Your high reputation players may be enticed more often to join other leagues. Doing well in Continental competitions will be more important for top clubs. But promising youngsters, backup Premiership players, and top Championship top players will have their values boosted. So keep hold of some good youth/backup, train them up, and make profit. Buying outside your league may be more difficult at times, but Backup/low EPL players will be more in your price range, along with Championship players. Example - Managing in Portugal: Getting that elusive high reputation player(like Alex Telles) to bolster your squad will be even more important. They will have greater values, and earn you more money. Due to the higher values, you may be able to hold on to them a bit longer. But the rest of the players' values will be reduced some, and breaking into the big 3 and building your club's reputation will be more important. Important Info: 1. This file will not make things right. It can be only better, or hit the target more often than it did before. Market values can be very subjective, based on opinion, and change day-by-day with each player's form/age/clubs/etc. 2. There will still be issues with the transfer market. This only changes values. Only SI can change wonderkid's value not rising enough, older players' values drastically diminishing, or clubs not having the money to buy players. 3. A specific player's value can't be changed. Any changes affect all players in that reputation range. So one player's value may be wrong, but the overall values of similar reputation players in that league should be on average good. Before Using this Mod: Because this is in BETA, and changes the finances, the way you will build the squad, the way you approach competitions, manage money, etc, PLEASE run a test save beforehand. Take a look at some clubs' squads. See how it looks to you. Keep in mind, some values may be very different, and not necessarily wrong! Just a new way to play, a new approach. How to Make Your Own Changes: If you find that you like the changes overall, but don't like a certain aspect, you can change this in the Editor! For example, maybe you don't want top English Premier League players values to be so astronomical. Simply open the Editor, load the file, go to Nations. Add Condition > Name > type in the nation's name. Then Transfers and Contracts > Transfer Values > go to the top 3 reputation slots, and reduce the amount. Save, of course. If you need any help, feel free to PM me your questions. Feedback: I obviously can't play hundreds of leagues to determine how the changes work or don't work. Things may need adjusted, of course. Any testing or feedback you can offer would be great! Remember to not look at one specific player's value, but if you find that overall the values are wrong, please let me know! DOWNLOAD: DB - Realistic Transfer Market Values - majesticeternity.fmf If you like this creation, and want to support the weeks of work, please donate: Edited February 14, 2020 by majesticeternity 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timo61 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) I love all your wotk. I add all. Thanks very good work my friend. Edited February 14, 2020 by Timo61 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltarian Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) My dear god, it looks like a gem! Does it change ONLY 30 nations? All other values in other leagues with be same as before? P.S. what a pity I'm already married Edited February 14, 2020 by eltarian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 9 hours ago, eltarian said: Does it change ONLY 30 nations? All other values in other leagues with be same as before? Yes, ONLY. Which was a ton of work! I looked at a few other nations(like Wales, N.Ireland,Nigeria,etc), and either they don't have much of a transfer market in FM(mostly frees/loans), or very little/no data on Transfermarkt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltarian Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, majesticeternity said: Yes, ONLY. Which was a ton of work! I looked at a few other nations(like Wales, N.Ireland,Nigeria,etc), and either they don't have much of a transfer market in FM(mostly frees/loans), or very little/no data on Transfermarkt. maybe their market prices should be done with same correlation? I mean just take the counts from other nations and implement them for Nigeria, Nepal ore elsewhere? Or the counts significantly change from country to country (within these 30ty complited)? Edited February 14, 2020 by eltarian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, eltarian said: maybe their market prices should be done with same correlation? I mean just take the counts from other nations and implement them for Nigeria, Nepal ore elsewhere? Or the counts significantly change from country to country (within these 30ty complited)? They vary significantly, yes. Prices are very different for every nation and every player rep. I would need some data on those nation's transfers or player values. Also, because FM poorly implements the lesser nations and has poor transfer AI logic, it could cause problems. For example, I could raise prices. But that may negatively effect the nation's transfer market, as they are too poor to buy players, or spend most of their budget on one player. Yet, if I reduce prices, players are more easily poached by other nations... So I figured it's best to leave it alone, unless someone wants to help test the effects and find a good balance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars_Blackmon Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Nice, curious to see how this changes the MLS as it's teams have trouble building a full roster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastofm Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Van Dijk Season 21/22 > 54M PSG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joaquin87 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Great work really, but you shouldn't call this "realistic". Market trends and player ratings are not "facts" and your preferences are only an "opinion". Again, it's a great job, but you're considering that the entire team that develops Football Manager and the tester (maybe 100 employees?) is wrong and that you're right. Both are just opinions. Maybe you're right, but "realistic" is overly ambitious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 11 hours ago, joaquin87 said: Great work really, but you shouldn't call this "realistic". Market trends and player ratings are not "facts" and your preferences are only an "opinion". Again, it's a great job, but you're considering that the entire team that develops Football Manager and the tester (maybe 100 employees?) is wrong and that you're right. Both are just opinions. Maybe you're right, but "realistic" is overly ambitious. I love her work, but I do kind of agree with this view. I think this, the transfer preferences one and the super smart AI one will be the three I don't use, but I reckon I'll use all the others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 On 25/02/2020 at 16:11, Gastofm said: Van Dijk Season 21/22 > 54M PSG Funny thing is that his value did not change before or after. Other players on his level increased, but he didn’t, and I didn’t want to increase it too much. 16 hours ago, joaquin87 said: Great work really, but you shouldn't call this "realistic". Market trends and player ratings are not "facts" and your preferences are only an "opinion". Again, it's a great job, but you're considering that the entire team that develops Football Manager and the tester (maybe 100 employees?) is wrong and that you're right. Both are just opinions. Maybe you're right, but "realistic" is overly ambitious. Thank you for the feedback. You are making assumptions, I am not saying at all that they are wrong. Most changes were tweaks to SIs work, not a complete rewrite. This is an attempt to get transfer prices more on target to their real prices, therefore to make them “more realistic”. Transfer values are opinion, which I stated, but player transfer prices are fact. It can never be right, though, this just makes them closer to their real prices. I stated that in the post, that it will not be right, just more realistic. 5 hours ago, Gee_Simpson said: I love her work, but I do kind of agree with this view. I think this, the transfer preferences one and the super smart AI one will be the three I don't use, but I reckon I'll use all the others. It’s simply a descriptive word so people have an idea the purpose of this file when they see the post. Using “better” or “fixed” seemed to me to more directly say SI didn’t do a good job, and it’s certainly not fixed, so that’s what I came up with. If you both have a better word to use, I’ll be glad to change it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, majesticeternity said: If you both have a better word to use, I’ll be glad to change it. I don't have a problem with your wording of the title. I agree partly with the other guy in what he's saying, that values are an opinion. In saying that, if this file does make the values closer to real life then I'll use it. It's just when I see little feedback here I get wary of using these files, especially with long term saves, that's why I was considering not using it and playing it safe by using the default settings that SI provide us with. It's also why I've been debating whether or not to use your realistic injuries file, incase it's affects are too extreme, but if I remember rightly, you advise a test save for 2 years or so? The only file I can definitely say I wouldn't use is the smarter AI file, as it's not technically making them smarter, it's just making the majority of the coaches attributes OP which doesn't feel realistic to me but may appeal to others who are just looking for the toughest challenge they can get. I would have started a save with your files by now already but I decided to wait for the January database update, and now they've gone and messed up the 'disable first transfer window' option, so I'll have to wait for a fix for that before I can start In the meantime I'll run a test save with all your files (except smarter AI) to see what kind of results it produces, maybe vs a save without the files. Do you know when this will be out of the beta stage? Edited February 27, 2020 by Gee_Simpson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Well you should use whatever files you wish, no pressure to use any creators work! You just commented on his view so I thought you agreed. And yes, as I stated in the original post, values are opinion. The main problem and probably confusion is this: values don’t matter, either IRL or in FM. A players value may be 100m, but they’re bought for 50m. Or value is 10m and bought for 60m. what I’m trying to create is, yes, better values, but mostly better player prices. As you can see in the screenshots, what I found is it worked generally speaking, overall better, where a player IRL is sold for 22m, and in FM is 19m. Most were pretty on point, when factoring the clubs in FM that bought them vs IRL. But there will always be very unrealistic transfers and values in FM. Again, if you don’t feel comfortable, don’t use them. but, if you run a test , and look at the areas important to you, and find something you feel is wrong, just pm me, I’d be happy to edit the file to your liking so you can enjoy it, whether realistic or fantasy. Side note on the injuries, if you’re concerned it will be too much, then it probably will be. I love/hate that at the lower leagues I have 2-5 players out injured at a time, unless I manage their health well and rotate and rest them. It means I can’t get away with 12 players on my squad and save money and blast up the leagues as quickly. If you don’t like having to rotate, watch injured players attributes tank, have your best players out, or a wonder kid out 2 months, then don’t use it. Pm me any questions or files you want edited. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anitamui Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 ESPANYOL SPENT 266M IN TRANSFER DURING 20/21 Please Fix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 6 hours ago, anitamui said: ESPANYOL SPENT 266M IN TRANSFER DURING 20/21 Please Fix can I get screenshots of their transfer activity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anitamui Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Sorry it's in my old save Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, majesticeternity said: Side note on the injuries, if you’re concerned it will be too much, then it probably will be. I love/hate that at the lower leagues I have 2-5 players out injured at a time, unless I manage their health well and rotate and rest them. It means I can’t get away with 12 players on my squad and save money and blast up the leagues as quickly. If you don’t like having to rotate, watch injured players attributes tank, have your best players out, or a wonder kid out 2 months, then don’t use it. Thanks again I was set on using the realistic injuries file but after reading the above I think I'll give it a miss! I already find the game tough as it is so this will just make things even more frustrating for me I would think. Regarding this file, is it still in the beta stage or is it good to go? Edited February 28, 2020 by Gee_Simpson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted February 28, 2020 Author Share Posted February 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Gee_Simpson said: Regarding this file, is it still in the beta stage or is it good to go? I don’t know of any changes to make at this point, but again run a test save and see if there’s anything that stands out to you. If it looks good in general, go for it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee_Simpson Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 21 hours ago, majesticeternity said: I don’t know of any changes to make at this point, but again run a test save and see if there’s anything that stands out to you. If it looks good in general, go for it. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kembb Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 I don't know if I see Çağlar Söyüncü going to Liverpool in the first window for 36 million as a realistic move or not... I know that things will change the next season because there will be more money to spend from every team, but I think that English players are a bit undervalued, for example managing United, Rashford, Maguire and Wan-Bissaka's values are no higher than 40 million, but that could be because United is playing Europa League. If I reach the second season I'll update you with the changes, thank you for your mods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hehehemann Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Are we good to use this file with 20.4 release? Great work btw on all your files making the game that little bit more realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroxity Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 i can't seem to be able to download this file now. there seems to be a problem with the link. is there any other way i could download this mod? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 35 minutes ago, aeroxity said: i can't seem to be able to download this file now. there seems to be a problem with the link. is there any other way i could download this mod? http://www.mediafire.com/file/rbuemeqklbct2wl/997299155_DB-RealisticTransferMarketValues-majesticeternity.fmf/file Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeroxity Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) thank you so much, considering the last message was from march i wasn't expecting you to respond. do i just keep the file in the football manager 2020 folder to activate it? Edited December 5, 2020 by aeroxity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
majesticeternity Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, aeroxity said: thank you so much, considering the last message was from march i wasn't expecting you to respond. do i just keep the file in the football manager 2020 folder to activate it? In editor data folder in that folder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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