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I have been a long time player of Football Manager (CM days). Recently I bought a copy of FM 19 (last one I played was FM 17). LOVE the new tactical center. So much advanced and diferent then the old one. So I set up my save as FC Andorra in the Spanish Lower Leagues. I use the 3-4-1-2 with wing backs (the AI calls it 5-2-1-2). OK I'm dominating and will win the league, but...

The thing that bother's me is, that my wing backs dont close down enough. Instead of engaging the wingers they retreat and guard the space. So my CM's close down the wingers and leave space infront of my goal. I set them to close down more, but the same thing. My set up is like this:

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Is this behavior of Wing backs coded in the match engine or are my settings preventing them to close down more?

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I think that having the team instruction which tell your whole team to close down extremely urgent will make every one on the team close down at max of their role. 

If you lower that team instruction to "slightly more urgent", right in the middle, you can give individual instruction to each player on how much you want them to close down.

Maybe you could give the player instruction to your Wb's to mark tightly or mark opponents wingers they would close down more, I'm not sure.

Then again, player roles will most likely affect it as well.

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8 minutes ago, Tryllefot said:

I think that having the team instruction which tell your whole team to close down extremely urgent will make every one on the team close down at max of their role. 

If you lower that team instruction to "slightly more urgent", right in the middle, you can give individual instruction to each player on how much you want them to close down.

Maybe you could give the player instruction to your Wb's to mark tightly or mark opponents wingers they would close down more, I'm not sure.

Then again, player roles will most likely affect it as well.

Tnx for the reply. Yeah I instructed them to tight mark also. I saw slight improvement in the closing down by doing this. It just might be the high closing down of my team in general. Will test this in next game and report back.

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1 hour ago, prigrajf said:

The thing that bother's me is, that my wing backs dont close down enough. Instead of engaging the wingers they retreat and guard the space. So my CM's close down the wingers and leave space infront of my goal. I set them to close down more, but the same thing. My set up is like this:

You can try reduce the team pressing intensity to normal and increase the pressing intensity in the WBs' player instructions. :)

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Well tryed lowering intensity, and it is better. Still not the way I would have liked. The MC's still close down the wingers in situations. Will test what happens, if I instruct my CMs to close down less.

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21 minutes ago, prigrajf said:

Well tryed lowering intensity, and it is better. Still not the way I would have liked. The MC's still close down the wingers in situations. Will test what happens, if I instruct my CMs to close down less.

 Same results, no improvement:( 

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@prigrajf  First, it would benefit you greatly to drastically reduce the number of instructions you are using in all 3 categories. You are asking your players to do many things, some of which even conflict with one another. Get this down to a few instructions immediately so you know what your base tactic without instructions plays with your current players. 

One of the issues you may have is that you are set to defend narrower.. if you were a wingback, and your coach told you that you had to defend narrower, wouldn't you think that the zone you are defending is in the box near the net and not out wide? You are telling your players not to engage out wide and let the other team send crosses in so you can defeat them in the air. Will this instruction definitely solve your problem? I am not sure, you can let us know if removing most of your instructions as well as defend narrower will improve the behavior of your wing back. 

 

It would also really help the people on this site if you took a screenshot of your players roles as well, as in the main tactic screen. Hopefully we can help get this problem solved for you.

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3 hours ago, Ether_mR said:

@prigrajf  First, it would benefit you greatly to drastically reduce the number of instructions you are using in all 3 categories. You are asking your players to do many things, some of which even conflict with one another. Get this down to a few instructions immediately so you know what your base tactic without instructions plays with your current players. 

One of the issues you may have is that you are set to defend narrower.. if you were a wingback, and your coach told you that you had to defend narrower, wouldn't you think that the zone you are defending is in the box near the net and not out wide? You are telling your players not to engage out wide and let the other team send crosses in so you can defeat them in the air. Will this instruction definitely solve your problem? I am not sure, you can let us know if removing most of your instructions as well as defend narrower will improve the behavior of your wing back. 

 

It would also really help the people on this site if you took a screenshot of your players roles as well, as in the main tactic screen. Hopefully we can help get this problem solved for you.

Sounds logical, will try what happens if I set the def width to standard/wide. After going through my instructions I set the counterpress option, but have much lower line of engagement and standard def line. I gues thats conflicting?

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On 02/02/2020 at 18:48, prigrajf said:

I set the counterpress option, but have much lower line of engagement and standard def line. I gues thats conflicting?

That's not necessarily conflicting. The biggest conflict in your tactic is that between the setup of roles and duties on one hand, and the in-possession instructions on the other. While your roles and duties are more suited to counter-attacking football, the in-possession TIs suit a slow and patient possession style. But then again, your out-of-possession TIs are suited to counter-attacking styles. Therefore, there is also conflict between different sets of instructions.

Also, you use needlessly too many instructions overall.

However, you are nevertheless topping the table, which means that even a poorly constructed tactic can work sometimes.

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Havent played last week, so sory for no update. So the initial problem of wing backs not closing down is fixed. The defensive width forced them to be closer to CBs and the more urgent closing down forced the MCs to close down the wingers. Very happy with the defending of the flanks now:brock:

On 04/02/2020 at 00:55, Experienced Defender said:

That's not necessarily conflicting. The biggest conflict in your tactic is that between the setup of roles and duties on one hand, and the in-possession instructions on the other. While your roles and duties are more suited to counter-attacking football, the in-possession TIs suit a slow and patient possession style. But then again, your out-of-possession TIs are suited to counter-attacking styles. Therefore, there is also conflict between different sets of instructions.

Also, you use needlessly too many instructions overall.

However, you are nevertheless topping the table, which means that even a poorly constructed tactic can work sometimes.

OK I know, I have many TIs, I will try to reduce them, I promise:) About the roles and duties... You're probably meaning the front 3 all on attack right? Or any other role/duty that is not optimal?

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18 minutes ago, prigrajf said:

About the roles and duties... You're probably meaning the front 3 all on attack right? Or any other role/duty that is not optimal?

Basically yes. But on the other hand, if you are (still) topping the table, it means your tactic works well for you. So I am not sure you should make any changes (unless it stops working).

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Well will try to experiment with that, if I encounter problems in the higher league. tnx for your help :)

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