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After seeing Ancelotti  (and before him Ferguson) go for a basic 4-4-2 with Everton I was wondering how to recreate it with Everton. Some of the positions are pretty easy while I have no idea what to do with team instructions or player instructions. Versus Watford the team went out like this:

 

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Now, I feel Everton want to counter but also regroup. That's about where I got with instructions. As for Player roles Here is what I have:

GK: ? (maybe SK-De)

RFB: ? (Looking at Sidibe and Coleman's stats in-game it may be something aggressive but won't work with an aggressive player in front of him so most likely a FB-Su)

RCD: CD-De

LCD: DC-De (maybe a BPD-De but not sure on that yet)

LFD: ? (Same as the RFB really in that an aggressive player in front will lower the role befind)

RW: W-At

RCM: ? (Some sort of playmaker role with Sigurdsson but most likely a BBM-Su with Davies)

LCM: CM-De (Maybe a Car-Su but I think the CM-De is more appropriate)

LW: IW-At

RST: ? (DCL isn't really a creator, the game has him down as a PF-At. Maybe a PF-De or PF-Su might work)

LST: Either a P-At or AF-At

 

From this base I really don't know where to go with Everton. My general feeling is I'd like to maybe stray a bit from what Ancelotti is doing and use a DW-Su next to the playmaker with a IWB-De behind. That would be after I get something close-ish to what Everton is doing right now (besides going 2-0 down). It seems like a pretty basic 4-4-2 but I can't pick what roles they are playing.

 

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Full backs are definitely more attacking. I'd say Digne is a WB with attack duty with Bernard in front of him coming inside (AP?) and Sidibe is more supporting role and he often underlaps Walcott, so maybe WB or even CWB.

 

I like your centre midfield pairing, as they're really reserved under Carlo as Everton don't have any ball carrier right now. It will be interesting how he'll use Gomes once he's back.

 

His setup is interesting, but I think it's a very big work in progress and it we'll be very different with a right personel at his disposal.

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8 hours ago, buachuta said:

Full backs are definitely more attacking. I'd say Digne is a WB with attack duty with Bernard in front of him coming inside (AP?) and Sidibe is more supporting role and he often underlaps Walcott, so maybe WB or even CWB.

I think the FB's are too but I am concerned from a gameplay point of view that WB/CWB is too aggressive with no DM. The FB roles are customisable enough that I can take small steps with PI's before taking the bigger step in upgrading the role which also boosts mentality.

 

Bernard may play AP in the AML position but in the ML I think he (and everyone else who has played there) has operated in an IW-At role.

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I like your centre midfield pairing, as they're really reserved under Carlo as Everton don't have any ball carrier right now. It will be interesting how he'll use Gomes once he's back.

I think the only difference will be Gomes will dribble a bit more than Davies or Sigurdsson do

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His setup is interesting, but I think it's a very big work in progress and it we'll be very different with a right personel at his disposal.

Yeah, I agree it's a work in progress. It'll be interesting where it all ends up. Currently I am going in with this:

 

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The FB's are asked to cross to TM, DW to pass shorter and get further forward, CM-De more direct passes, IW-At to stay wider and roam from position. The DW is probably shoe-horned in a bit as I think he will come into his own with a better suited player. DCL isn't really a targetman but with low crosses I am hoping he doesn't need to beet CB's in the air. In saying that, I don't think the strikers are at all correct - they haven't scored for me yet while they have scored pretty much every goal under Ancelotti in open play. DCL has 5 in 8 games under him. Currently my IW has scored all my goals. In saying that, I have lost 0-1 to Manchester United, 1-0 to Arsenal and beat Leicester 0-1 so the signs are ok so far I think.

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Looks good to me. I’d say the full backs are much more cautious than under Silva so I’d leave on both support duty for now. I’d have the LW sitting narrower and playing between the lines similar to what Bernard has been doing.

CM looks like what we have been doing and I’d have DCL as a target man(a) and Richarlison as a DLF(a) and see how that plays. 

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17 hours ago, ianscousemac said:

Looks good to me. I’d say the full backs are much more cautious than under Silva so I’d leave on both support duty for now. I’d have the LW sitting narrower and playing between the lines similar to what Bernard has been doing.

CM looks like what we have been doing and I’d have DCL as a target man(a) and Richarlison as a DLF(a) and see how that plays. 

 

 

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Thanks for the tips. I've played 3 games since the changes to my tactic (above). As I said, I was reluctant to change the full backs but thought it was worth at least looking at and it caused DCL to score a hat-trick (with a DLF-Su and AF-At strike combination - DCL as the AF). I then experimented with a tactic I tried back in FM16 but changed at half time back to this. I also applied the sit narrower on the LM instead of the stay wider I had put on him already. End result was a win over Liverpool. I think there is still work to be done. Results so far are below

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https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.com/2020/2/13/21133613/everton-tactical-analysis-carlo-ancelotti-4-4-2-calvert-lewin-richarlison-bernard-central-midfield

I came across the above article which has been the most in-depth analysis of Everton I have found so far. I knocked up the following after reading the article:

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Here is my thinking of the changes:

Sidibe - IFB-Su to keep him a bit deeper but still willing to play the ball. Overlap right to keep him a touch wider and closer to Walcott. PI of dribble more

Holgate-Keane swap - I preferred the CD on the left in this shape than the right. A touch more defensive (for lack of a better term)

Digne - WB-Su to keep some attacking instinct but also allow runs forward. "In essence then, Bernard, Richarlison, and Digne form a free-flowing trio down the left wing, where Everton has spent around 40% of its attacking-third possession time since Carlo took charge." The WB will still allow him to be a ball player and to stay wide and attack to provide the assists. PI's of Cross aim targetman, dribble more

Walcott - "Theo Walcott looks to make runs in behind opposing center-backs from the right wing." I have him as a W-At right now but I think he needs to be changed. IW-At is the most obvious. This will mean one of two things a) Gomes can become a Mez-Su, or b) Sidibe can become a FB-Su. I like b) a bit more as a Mez-Su with no DM worries me. PI's of Tackle harder, close down more and mark tighter

Sigurdsson - "Sigurdsson does advance a little farther up the pitch when the Toffees are in possession, serving as a pivot point to move the ball from left to right when required." This would usually mean a playmaker role but with 40% of play down the left wing I don't want the focus taken away from the left. In essence, I feel Ancelotti is trying to setup an outnumber on the left before switching to DCL on the right. Having the smart playmaker-type here helps for some quick, smart possession. CM-Su is told to dribble more, roam and move in channels. Just need him to be open for the cross-pass.

Schneiderlin - "Ancelotti wants a defensive-minded player in that space to pick up the pieces if an attack fails down the left wing. Both Schneiderlin and Delph are more defensively responsible, and able to cover for Digne if the full-back gets caught up the pitch on a counterattack." Really speaks for itself I think. Only potential change would to have him a strata lower in the DML-De position.

Bernard - "The whole thing really pivots on the left midfielder — mostly Bernard, but we’ll see Alex Iwobi there at times too. Both players have the same general skillset — shifty with the ball in their feet, quick but not exceedingly fast, and capable of picking out difficult passes." Speaks to me as a playmaker, especially when coupled with the ball movement on the left. "So, he has that player (who I’ll just call Bernard for now) pinch inside from the starting position on the left wing. As such, Bernard plays something of a hybrid No. 10 / left midfielder role when Everton is in attack." This is the attack duty to get him into the AM strata in attack. PI's of Tackle harder, close down more and mark tighter

Dominic Calven-Lewin - Really not talked about in the article so I didn't see the need for change. PI's of Tackle harder, close down more and mark tighter

Richarlison - "Richarlison is most dangerous when he has space to operate away from the big, physical center-backs who tend to physically brutalize him" A really hard one to pick but I think the T-At is the best role at the moment. I need to consider if something like DLF or F9 with roam selected will work but I'm concerned he will start to get in Bernard's way. I don't think any other role will get the best out of Richarlison. Due to the nature of the trequartista no PI's have been selected. If I go for F9 or DLF in the end Roam from position will be selected.

 

With the TI's I thought I needed to overlap to keep the full backs closer to the wingers. Play out of defence is to help the ball retention. Run at defence is to get the ringers and strikers a bit more willing to attack the box. Tempo and passing is more of a personal preference but I think mixed passing may work better (or shorter passing with normal tempo). Fairly narrow is to keep my attack central. I'm not really looking fro crosses into the box so narrower attack makes sense (to me). The in transition and out of possession instructions are designed to work together. Higher defensive line and counter-press will mean players are not too far away if there is a breakdown in attack. Distribute to full backs is to try and catch players out for a counter attack. Offside trap is to try and help the higher defensive line not get caught by balls over the top.

 

"Perhaps some of that is simply down to better man management by Ancelotti, but some of it is tactical too. Marco Silva’s high-pressing system put pressure on the defenders to deal with frequent balls over the top and quick counters — something Ancelotti’s system doesn’t force. Instead, Everton have been content to drop off relatively deep when out of possession under the Italian. For all the moving parts that we see in attack, in defense, Everton sticks to the standard 4-4-2 alignment, keeping those two blocks of four relatively compact in front of Jordan Pickford. This isn’t a Burnley deep block or anything crazy like that, but it’s pragmatic and limits the opponent’s chances without overly conceding possession. The upshot, of course, is that given the attacking system in place, the Toffees are more capable of keeping the ball once they win it — which makes it easier to tolerate long spells out of possession."

The above passage leads me to think my higher defensive line really isn't needed. I can even employ a lower line of engagement if needed to allow a bit more room for the counter. At the moment it's all a work in progress so any comments are more than welcome.

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A really quick update. Sidibe became a FB-Su, Walcott (Iwobi in the above match) became a IW-At. No other changes. Newcastle are bottom of the league but the way the match was played was really impressive. Steve Bruce got the bullet after this match. Still a work in progress though.

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A few things ove noticed that are not how Everton play, so they might not be advisable changes to make a a better FM tactic but changes that reflect real life more.

 

First of all the full backs, Digne doesnt get to far forward anymore, on occasion hell get far up In the space Bernard creates drifting into number 10 space. However he doesn't bomb forward as much as the analysis suggests.

For realism Digne would be a wing back on defend when Bernard is not playing ahead of him.

This leads me to Sidbe, hes a totally unpredictable player and it's very hard to get a role in FM to reflect this.

He's often way to high up the pitch, he frequently makes runs on the overlap and sometimes fairly narrow inside. He's a player who should be on attack duty what ever role hes in to reflect how he really plays.

Also distribute to Full backs is limiting Pickford, if its on hell go long to DCL to create a counter.

Finally the tactic is always tweeked somewhat depending on who plays, ie Coleman plays when we want the right hand side more solid, with Sidbe pushed up to RM.

Michael Keane plays we intend to play deeper, as him and Mina paired are very tall to head crosses out.

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Ancelotti plays "3.5 at the back." That is to say, 442 in defense, 352 in possession. One FB (Digne) pushing forward (how aggressively is situational), with the other staying back. I think FB-D (w/ "sit narrower" PI) would better reflect that, but could go IWB-D.

 

 

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3 hours ago, thehig2 said:

 

@nick1408

A few things ove noticed that are not how Everton play, so they might not be advisable changes to make a a better FM tactic but changes that reflect real life more.

 

First of all the full backs, Digne doesnt get to far forward anymore, on occasion hell get far up In the space Bernard creates drifting into number 10 space. However he doesn't bomb forward as much as the analysis suggests.

For realism Digne would be a wing back on defend when Bernard is not playing ahead of him.

Not against this at all. I thought about defend originally but went for support to get him a touch higher. Do you think hi should be on stay wider too?

3 hours ago, thehig2 said:

This leads me to Sidbe, hes a totally unpredictable player and it's very hard to get a role in FM to reflect this.

He's often way to high up the pitch, he frequently makes runs on the overlap and sometimes fairly narrow inside. He's a player who should be on attack duty what ever role hes in to reflect how he really plays.

If he isn’t involved in attack as much as he was under Silva is FB-At the best option?

3 hours ago, thehig2 said:

Also distribute to Full backs is limiting Pickford, if its on hell go long to DCL to create a counter.

Yeah, I agree with you here. Should have thought better. 

3 hours ago, thehig2 said:

Finally the tactic is always tweeked somewhat depending on who plays, ie Coleman plays when we want the right hand side more solid, with Sidbe pushed up to RM.

Michael Keane plays we intend to play deeper, as him and Mina paired are very tall to head crosses out.

 

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3 hours ago, XuluBak said:

Ancelotti plays "3.5 at the back." That is to say, 442 in defense, 352 in possession. One FB (Digne) pushing forward (how aggressively is situational), with the other staying back. I think FB-D (w/ "sit narrower" PI) would better reflect that, but could go IWB-D.

 

 

I think this is probably better for Sidibe. I’ll test both and see what works. 

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@nick1408

With Sidibe just do what ever gets you best results in game from him, his play is too erratic to be a football manager role.

Instructions like get further forward and dribble more are Sidibe like, if you want realism you want to be exposed on the right hand side from him being out of position, this is were id ensure the denfsive minded of your midfield two play on the right hand side.

Sidibe is strange player, love the guy he creates a lot for us and can win the ball back with his physicality but he's sometimes woefully out of position and doesn't smell danger.

Id set Digne to full back attack, I think it's his natural in game role as well.

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3 hours ago, permanentquandary said:

Digne should get forward, Sidibe should stay back.

IMO you should try to play Kean as often as you can. A lot of potential.

I tend to agree on the full backs. I'm currently running with a WB-Su and IWB-De.

 

Do you reckon I have the roles correct for the forwards? I feel I'm still missing something.

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I’m not sold on the right winger either. As a W-At I find too many byline crosses blocked. IW-At is either too inside or too outside if asked to stay wider

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36 minutes ago, nick1408 said:

I’m not sold on the right winger either

Random thought... a WM is pretty customisable.

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Glad this has been released and does compliment the link I posted earlier. I think the IFB will be going and Sidibe will be one either a FB-Su or FB-At. Also, Walcott does seem to be a WM-At looking at this with the sit narrower instruction. I’m still not sure on Richarlison but am thinking maybe a CF-Su with roaming on. DCL I think is still a TM-At but if anyone thinks different please feel free to correct.

 

 I’m down a laptop at the moment so won’t be able to test anything for a few days yet. 

 

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Are you trying to create "Ancelotti's system" or Everton, as they are currently, under Ancelotti? If the former, I'd look at his Napoli team to provide some guidance. Keep in mind he hasn't really had a chance to shape his Everton squad at all, and their talent is a far cry from what he's had at his disposal for quite some time. 

DCL is asked to hold the ball up, at times, largely out of necessity, but I wouldn't consider him a target man. I think PF is probably just about right.

CF(s) with roaming is probably the way to go with Richarlison. 

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6 hours ago, XuluBak said:

Are you trying to create "Ancelotti's system" or Everton, as they are currently, under Ancelotti? If the former, I'd look at his Napoli team to provide some guidance. Keep in mind he hasn't really had a chance to shape his Everton squad at all, and their talent is a far cry from what he's had at his disposal for quite some time. 

DCL is asked to hold the ball up, at times, largely out of necessity, but I wouldn't consider him a target man. I think PF is probably just about right.

CF(s) with roaming is probably the way to go with Richarlison. 

You raise a really good point re: Napoli. At the moment I am trying to play as Ancelotti’s Everton but as I recruit. I think it will move towards Ancelotti’s Napoli. 

 

 

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I watched the last Everton game against Arsenal, and this is how I would interpret Ancelotti's starting setup in this particular match (in which he probably was a bit more defensive-minded than otherwise):

F9      PFat

WPsu    CAR    CMde     Wsu

WBsu    CDde   CDde    WBsu

SKde

Richarlison - F9 / Calvert-Lewin - PFat

Delph - CAR / Schneiderlin - CMde

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On 26/02/2020 at 10:30, Experienced Defender said:

I watched the last Everton game against Arsenal, and this is how I would interpret Ancelotti's starting setup in this particular match (in which he probably was a bit more defensive-minded than otherwise):

F9      PFat

WPsu    CAR    CMde     Wsu

WBsu    CDde   CDde    WBsu

SKde

Richarlison - F9 / Calvert-Lewin - PFat

Delph - CAR / Schneiderlin - CMde

I think this was a bit due to the team selection. If Sigurdsson was in his usual CML position he would be a playmaker of sorts. Walcott would still be a winger (and support is probably right) and Delph would be a CAR in most games. you did point out it was for the Arsenal match so it will be interesting the setup vs Manchester United.

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4 hours ago, nick1408 said:

If Sigurdsson was in his usual CML position he would be a playmaker of sorts

Well, I did set him as a PM (WPsu in ML). 

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I decided to break down my tactic to almost start again. What are the basics that are happening for Everton? I answered thusly:

  • Attacking play is down the left
  • The LB, LW and LF all play pretty close to each other
  • Anchelotti likes to defend in a 4-4-2
  • He also presses pretty hard and early
  • Everton takes the play to the opposition when attacking
  • Sidibe makes inside runs on the right

 

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After the rethink I took those six points and have adjusted my tactic since the Manchester City game above.  Results have been pretty good. Tactic now looks like this:

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The FB-At is told to cut inside with ball and both FB's are told to cross aim target man. CM-Su is told to take more risks, move in channels and get further forward. Both wings are tackle harder, close down more and mark tighter. The interesting thing is Gomes is leading my scoring with 10 in 16. DCL is only 5 from 15 and Richarlison 6 from 16. Digne has 10 assists from 17 matches.

 

I think with a better trequartista I could have the strikers scoring a bit more regular. Same with the right wing. A RW-Su is my priority for the January transfer window.

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A really quick update. I managed to finish 4th which is a really great effort. My concerns about the strikers were probably a bit unfounded. DCL finished with 15 goals from 34 matches, Gomes 12 from 29 and Richarlison 12 from 32. I did toy with DCL as a PF-Su for a few matches but ultimately I felt he played better on attack.

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If you can find the clip, Sky did a mini analysis last night on Carlo's 442.  As I recall its 442 out of possession; and 3142 in possession with a diamond in the centre.  It was quite interesting and worth a look.

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9 hours ago, Robson 07 said:

If you can find the clip, Sky did a mini analysis last night on Carlo's 442.  As I recall its 442 out of possession; and 3142 in possession with a diamond in the centre.  It was quite interesting and worth a look.

I couldn't find a clip but at the moment things look as follows:

 

I have the defensive part sorted:

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Attacking not so much but it's ok:

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Bernard (#15) is cutting inside to the AM position but Gomes and Iwobi won't shift across due to their roles currently. I assume the clip had the RB sitting in the DM spot? That is an easy one to adjust but I currently like the attacking movement I'm getting. If I get into trouble it may be a tweak worth exploring.

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