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Now there is a file I need to study for the Iron Curtain.

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2 minutes ago, Wolf_pd said:

Now there is a file I need to study for the Iron Curtain.

If you need any help, just let me know! I have a good chunk of the data and charts that could assist you.

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17 hours ago, majesticeternity said:

Removed every nation's ability to scout everywhere at any time

First question - how does it work?

Possibility "sent scout for $$ to nation N" will get lost?

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Russia - Georgia, Belarus. Optional - Portugal, Germany, Czech, France, Italy, Romania, Poland, Brazil, Belgium

Second question - Russian clubs use to sign players from ex-USSR countries, West Slavic countries and they definitely have scouting tours through Africa to find cheap talents too.

Is it realized?

Edited by eltarian

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Italy should have Poland at the "optional countries" rate as Poland as of late has become a well traversed market by Serie A teams in search of new prospects. This is a fairly new trend but is very noticeable. Same situation is starting to occure with MLS teams sending offers left and right. Turkey is also a direction players take on whenever are better than average and want better salaries.

As for Poland itself - the biggest trend as of now is signing players from 3rd level of spanish league. Balkan countries are also a big market for Poland (Serbia and Croatia especially)

As for numbers - currently in the top polish division the most common nationalities are: Slovakia (23 players), Spain (21), Serbia (15), Croatia (13) and Portugal (10)

Also, worth mentioning - Russia and Greece are nowhere near being important markets for polish clubs.

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14 hours ago, majesticeternity said:

If you need any help, just let me know! I have a good chunk of the data and charts that could assist you.

Thanks, appreciated! Will let you know.

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15 hours ago, eltarian said:

First question - how does it work?

Possibility "sent scout for $$ to nation N" will get lost?

Second question - Russian clubs use to sign players from ex-USSR countries, West Slavic countries and they definitely have scouting tours through Africa to find cheap talents too.

Is it realized?

1st Question:

Haha, that would be funny, but no. It's just for AI. Meaning that before they would scout anywhere that wasn't set as None/Limited in the Editor. Now, they are "assigned" nations, and primarily stick to those. Of course, clubs will also have their own identities.

2nd Question:

You would have to provide some data on that...I found out of 2,600 transfers, only 7 were from Moldova. So..not really.

But, keep in mind that these transfers are not what Nationality the player is, but what nations' league they come from. So looking at Moldova's current national squad, a good portion of them are playing in the Romanian leagues. And then, we check our data, and find that yes, Romania is #5 of the top nations for Russia.

If you would like to discuss more, PM me!

 

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13 hours ago, Sopel said:

Italy should have Poland at the "optional countries" rate as Poland as of late has become a well traversed market by Serie A teams in search of new prospects. This is a fairly new trend but is very noticeable. Same situation is starting to occure with MLS teams sending offers left and right. Turkey is also a direction players take on whenever are better than average and want better salaries.

As for Poland itself - the biggest trend as of now is signing players from 3rd level of spanish league. Balkan countries are also a big market for Poland (Serbia and Croatia especially)

As for numbers - currently in the top polish division the most common nationalities are: Slovakia (23 players), Spain (21), Serbia (15), Croatia (13) and Portugal (10)

Also, worth mentioning - Russia and Greece are nowhere near being important markets for polish clubs.

Hey, thanks alot for the information!

As far as Italy and Poland: yes, you seem right that it is a new trend. Transfermarkt shows 15 transfers from Poland to Serie A in the last 4 seasons. I do have them signing players from there, in a small amount. You'd have to test and let me know what you think about the amount of transfers.

Could you be more specific about the MLS teams? They are transferring Polish players to their league?

Poland vs Spain: Unfortunately, FM does not distinguish between leagues, so if I increase Spain, it will increase transfers for all of Spain, not just the 3rd level. Of course, many La Liga top Spanish players will not want to move to Poland...but it would still create some unrealistic moves. Also scouting levels work that the top/popular players are known first, rather then 3rd. If you really want to, you can open the file in the Editor, find Poland > Nation Transfer Prefs > Spain, and maybe select Fairly High Profile and Full Scouting ability(so they get 3rd division), then Region Prefs > and increase Central Europe to 2 or 3. Then run a test save, and you can let me know what you find!

And nationalities don't really matter, it's leagues they came from. Either way, I have Slovakia as a high target for Poland, along with some Portugal. So that looks good. I will increase Serbia and Croatia for Poland.

For Russia and Greece to Poland, there have been 4 Greek transfers this season already, and 5 last season. So Greece will stay the same. But you are right, Russia is not important at all. I will fix that.

Again, thank you so much for the info! We appreciate it!

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17 hours ago, majesticeternity said:

Could you be more specific about the MLS teams? They are transferring Polish players to their league?

This is a current trend, started with the past transfer window - there seems to be a boom for MLS team to pick up the standouts from polish league, It started with Frankowski move to Chicaco Fire and Przybyłko to Philadelphia, this window the only moves so far are Buksa to Revolution and Niezgoda to Timbers, but what you can miss is that nearly every better than average player of the polish has been linked at some point with MLS teams. It's a pretty new thing, there's not saying that this trend will last but the link is there.

18 hours ago, majesticeternity said:

Poland vs Spain: Unfortunately, FM does not distinguish between leagues, so if I increase Spain, it will increase transfers for all of Spain, not just the 3rd level. Of course, many La Liga top Spanish players will not want to move to Poland...but it would still create some unrealistic moves. Also scouting levels work that the top/popular players are known first, rather then 3rd. If you really want to, you can open the file in the Editor, find Poland > Nation Transfer Prefs > Spain, and maybe select Fairly High Profile and Full Scouting ability(so they get 3rd division), then Region Prefs > and increase Central Europe to 2 or 3. Then run a test save, and you can let me know what you find!

Well, it's not like polish clubs have set a rule to pick only from the 3rd division, it's just the level at which players they can afford are playing, there have been a few moves from 2nd devision (or, in theory from La Liga - see Chuca from Villareal to Wisła Kraków) so the preference should be set. Fun fact - the link goes both ways. Polish top devision pick ups spanish players because when in Spain they may not make a breakthrough their technique and vision is the missing component in polish teams that are focused on physicality of play. At the other hand, spanish lowers team like to pick up polish goalkeepers as there is a lot of talent that cannot make the break but their physicality and ability is usually at greater level than of their spanish counterparts.

18 hours ago, majesticeternity said:

For Russia and Greece to Poland, there have been 4 Greek transfers this season already,

You're right, I got a bit too focused on the nationalities. Greece is usually the place that average foreign players come from or go to, on their globetrotting journey ;) Thank you for tweaking Russia - I admit that the lack of transfer relations between countries from that region (i.e. Russia, Belarus, Ukraine) is a bit surprising, but if anything, players from polish league tend to go to those league, but not the other way around.

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Will it also work when you load the countries suggested, but set them to view only?

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4 hours ago, matsk89 said:

Will it also work when you load the countries suggested, but set them to view only?

As long as you also load the players for those nations, it should. Otherwise, just view only won't really have any players to transfer.

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Good idea, but these are not realistic. For example Poland should have Spain(!), Croatia, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Romania, France, Slovenia.

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2 hours ago, Zecevic said:

Good idea, but these are not realistic. For example Poland should have Spain(!), Croatia, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Romania, France, Slovenia.

If you look at the comments before yours, that we had on that exact thing, this is already applied, but will be increased in an update. 

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Thank you for the interesting work! 

I have one question though, could you elaborate this please?

On 2020. 1. 16. at 오전 10시 4분, majesticeternity said:

Added age restrictions for a few nations (USA, China, Japan, Turkey, Ireland, Serbia, Switzerland)

 

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11 hours ago, beck7ham said:

Thank you for the interesting work! 

I have one question though, could you elaborate this please?

 

Nations will automatically pull all ages from each nation, unless you specify different. 

So for example, if USA you have them pull from Italy, there will often be 18, 20yr olds moving over. That’s not realistic. So I set the age limit to mid-20s and later. Now the youth may still join USA but rarely. 

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Can you add the rest of the other nations in the guide?

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On 16/01/2020 at 02:04, majesticeternity said:

 

Netherlands: England, Belgium, Germany. Optional - France, Italy, Denmark, Spain, Sweden, Japan

Was looking through the files and specifically checking the Dutch. I am surprised at the English here. The Belgian and German are OK, although mostly restricted to the border teams in reallife than the game now simulates.

I would expect Norwegian as well as AZ and Heerenveen import a lot of Scandinavians.

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Hi! I tested it playing in Superliga Argentina and I noticed that teams with big budget usually buy brazilian players. In real life, there should be no more than 10 Brazilians who played in Argentina in the last 20 years.

¿Is there any way it can be fixed?

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Great work really

Edited by joaquin87

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maybe a bit off topic but is there anyway to increase the number of transfers using the editor? cool file otherwise

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This is actually a great way to make the transfer market more realistic. This thread deserves more attention!

@majesticeternity: Did you ever think about sharing your data with SI so they can implement a more realistic transfer model into future games?

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10 hours ago, burnum said:

This is actually a great way to make the transfer market more realistic. This thread deserves more attention!

@majesticeternity: Did you ever think about sharing your data with SI so they can implement a more realistic transfer model into future games?

Have you used this yourself? Would you recommend it? 

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Does this work correctly with 20.4 or should I wait for an update?

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3 hours ago, Matto97 said:

Does this work correctly with 20.4 or should I wait for an update?

It should work fine, it’s only database changes, but you can always do a quick test save.

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В 16.01.2020 в 05:04, majesticeternity сказал:

Ukraine - Russia

after 2014 - full unrealistic

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On 16/01/2020 at 02:04, majesticeternity said:

 

 

When i look at Dutch divisions, they only seem to get dutch players.

This is not realistic and does not match with you data update.

How is it still possible? And how can i change this?

I do not use any othe data files.

 

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On 16/01/2020 at 04:42, majesticeternity said:

If you need any help, just let me know! I have a good chunk of the data and charts that could assist you.

Do you have any suggestions in your data for Hungary?

I have now build it in Iron Curtain style with

  • Nation most players from Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia
  • Nation limited from Poland and Soviet Union
  • Continents Africa, Asia and South America at rating -2
  • Continents North America and Oceania at rating -1
  • Regions Central Europe, Scandinavia, South Europe at rating -2
  • Regions UK & Ireland, Middle East at rating -1

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When come the next update ?

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29 minutes ago, MelvinMat said:

When come the next update ?

what do you think needs to be updated?

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In my last game, the transfer preferences doesn't work very well. I've playing the PSV and the others clubs buy only Holland based players not others

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too many transfers ... all teams are changing ... so much transfers ... its not realistic i think .. 

 

for example .. real life transfers : 50 million euro+ transfers in per year 16 maximum ,, but this update 32 - 35 transfers 50m+ euro transfers per year... 

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in my save right now i'm managing udinese in serie a and i just realize there aren't a lot of transfer happens in january some clubs just signing one player and the others even didn't make a transfer activity whether it sold or signing a player. i think this is a bit unrealistic because in real life many clubs do some transfer in winter transfer window.

 

p.s sorry my english is bad

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Posted (edited)

i was wondering if I could get some advice on a custom database I'm looking at. It involves basically only teams in a nation been able to sign players from that nation/ region in the UK's case. I see you have set up national transfer preferences but I'm struggling to get it sorted with just changing a few rules. Any advice would be great and much appreciated. 

 

Edited by Rightmousebutton88

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