jay11118 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Why are attacking headers so ridiculously poor,ive had 14 headers from corners,crossing etc with Spurs and not one has his the target,either 20 foot over the bar or way way wide,absolute rubbish match engine Kane and vertonghen were a few players involved......ive bought that game since championship manager,this is the worst ever,would love my money back but aint gonna happen 😡 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkn20 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Welcome to the Club! FM21 is gonna have a massive crash in sales thanks to FM20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kombinat13 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 i have the same issue .. i have two strikers with header technic 16 and they are both hugh. even if they are free for heading (well in 3d it seems they are free - in a radius of 3 meters there is no defender) they miss. well they miss even the target by far or they head just very slow to the goalkeeper. how can i make this better. do i need to train header more? is there a solution? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay11118 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 I dont think there is a solution,happens time and time again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifty Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I’ve got a Defender with 15 heading and he’s scored 9 this year from corners and free kicks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpie Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, jay11118 said: I dont think there is a solution,happens time and time again Headers are technically harder to execute / score from than shots with a foot. Most of the time, they are attempted under challenge / pressure from an opponent. You also have to account for the angle they are trying to score from, their heading / aerial ability as well as aggression, bravery, determination, balance, composure and technique combined with the crossing and technique ability of the crosser and the ability of the opposition defenders and goalkeeper. All of these factors may play a role in how well a player might convert a chance for a headed goal. Plus other underlying factors that you can't necessarily see, like how well they play in big games (if it's a big game), how consistent they are, etc. The match engine may not be representing headed attempts in a particularly attractive way, but I wouldn't say it's unrealistic that many of them miss the target or get saved. It's not something I've noticed personally, I'm getting a decent number of headed goals (though I don't expect loads of them) from set pieces and open play. Perhaps you can upload a .pkm file in the bugs section with time stamps where extremely easy headed chances are being wasted? This way the SI devs can take a look and see if they can address something. Edited December 18, 2019 by rockpie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay11118 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 Yeah i get that,but none are saved as they dont hit the target,will sort PKMs 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kombinat13 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 bevore the update to the ME i had quite a few goals after heading. but now nearly none. so i wonder what i can do to change it. but if you say it is impossible, than i have to sell my striker for smaller and faster strikers and play only low crosses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger666 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 It's raised here. Not just headers either but yes, I see a lot of it too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kombinat13 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 hm .. ok so it is a ME issue than? so nothing to do about it? i didn´t want to scream it is a Bug or it is because of the ME. i hoped that this could be resolved with a tactical twist. do i have to post this than in the bug forum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alian62 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Don't get all this Me complaints . The headers I see are fine and actually there are some real good ones . Long ball is the only issue I experience but its not a game breaker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger666 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, prot651 said: Don't get all this Me complaints . The headers I see are fine and actually there are some real good ones . Long ball is the only issue I experience but its not a game breaker Do you watch all matches on comprehensive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kombinat13 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, prot651 said: Don't get all this Me complaints . The headers I see are fine and actually there are some real good ones . Long ball is the only issue I experience but its not a game breaker can you tell me waht team you have and what strikers? and maybe the tactical way you play. i want that my strikers do heading goals again. one is 1,86 and the other one is 1,93 and both have 16 in heading and 14/15 in finishing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plcarlos Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I've watched headers in detail, and ned to upload evidence, but here's my 2 cents: Watch these in full detail and you'll notice 1 thing that's glaring - Players struggle to get of the ground. I noticed this on a free kick, with an open, unmarked defender Jumping reach of 17, Heading of 14, Height of 6 foot 4.... blaze the ball miles over the bar. At the point of contact, his left foot was not even off the ground. The player in quetion was also Milenkovic if that helps Watching over and over, it seems to have the same pattern in that headers seem to be a last ditch reaction, vs predicting and jumping as the ball is approaching (not too early - lets say 5-10 yards before the ball is onto them), which is casuing the headers to blaze over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alian62 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Tiger666 said: Do you watch all matches on comprehensive? extended or comprehensive Does that make a difference ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger666 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, prot651 said: extended or comprehensive Does that make a difference ? Well you're more likely to see things like shots going over the bar on comprehensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonthedon26 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Strange as Jutkiewiecz scored header after header for me in my Birmingham City save. Not many were from set pieces to be fair, but a lot from outfield play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger666 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, Jonthedon26 said: Strange as Jutkiewiecz scored header after header for me in my Birmingham City save. Not many were from set pieces to be fair, but a lot from outfield play. Harry Kane scores plenty for me but he puts far more over the bar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonthedon26 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Tiger666 said: Harry Kane scores plenty for me but he puts far more over the bar. Yeah he had his fair share of misses too, but I would expect that as it is the Juke haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) Another heading issue is unnecessary headers. Both defensive and attacking ones. Offensive headers that are made near edge of gk-Area and should be taken down to feet. Defensive headers on crosses and passes that are going way of mark and defender still sticks head to the ball. I'll make pmk of this if i got the energy.. Edited December 18, 2019 by Pasonen 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagenham_Dave Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Headers on FM used to be ridiculously accurate if you sit down and think about it. Nearly every header in the game was on target (goal or saved), or just narrowly past or over. There may well be a bug with headers this year, but if anything I think it makes it more realistic. I've never seen headers go miles over the bar in any FM before, but I'm seeing it this year, and while it's frustrating if it's your own team, it is more realistic. I have to say I've not seen an excessive amount of them though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jere_d Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Grifty said: I’ve got a Defender with 15 heading and he’s scored 9 this year from corners and free kicks. I got kimpembe hes scored about 5 but has missed about 50 only bothers me when we can't score but hes winning so many headers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifty Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 19 hours ago, jere_d said: I got kimpembe hes scored about 5 but has missed about 50 only bothers me when we can't score but hes winning so many headers What are the real life % header to goal completion ratios? I have no idea so not sure if 10% is accurate or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prej Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 SI logic. Community: Crossing is OP! SI: Nerf crossing. Community: Crossing is broken! SI: Fix crossing, nerf heading. Community: Heading is broken! SI: ??? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_plaza Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) I play attacking on wings and get dozens of crosses and corners every match. 99% of headers could go out of the stadium because they are so way over the crossbar. Anyone who thinks this is normal is either in denial or never actually watched the real sport because it is hilariously off in FM. Edited October 3, 2020 by charlie_plaza 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasonen Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) On 18/12/2019 at 16:32, Pasonen said: Another heading issue is unnecessary headers. Both defensive and attacking ones. Offensive headers that are made near edge of gk-Area and should be taken down to feet. Defensive headers on crosses and passes that are going way of mark and defender still sticks head to the ball. I'll make pmk of this if i got the energy.. I have to add something to this old post because people have upvoted it lately. it's not only players head too much it's also movement issue where players move too slowly to get under the ball. Play is also way too cross orientated. Players force crosses and crosses find target way too often which harms the flow of the game. Anyway soon we will have new FM so why think about these anymore Edited October 5, 2020 by Pasonen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zindrinho Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Crosses going over their defence to a completely unmarked winger of yours on the corner of the 18yrd box, all alone with all the time in the world, but he chooses to head the ball instead of just taking it down to his feet, run towards goalie and place in the corner. extremely frustrating. Same in defence, the oppositions cross is going out behind your goal, your fullback is chasing the ball, juuuust reaching it before its a goal kick to you, heads it back onto the field to a lone striker who scores against you. We were told to not do this when we were 8 or 9 in real life, yet on FM this keeps happening on the highest levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripamon Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Tbh headers from offensive players in open play scenarios are still really poor in Fm21 No wonder low crosses is the recommended method. Because even Calvert Lewin only rarely gets his free headers on target Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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