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For me the hard situation i believe it's to create the best MP... i'm still improving

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25 minutes ago, rlemos said:

TFF, i'm using now match plan, so i can control when i use cerber, fury and shield... the situation still continues because we cannot control the subs.

 

Let's say if you are winning between 85-90 you migth switch to shield wall and etc.

 

Mate, I'd say it might be hard to suggest one simple algorithm because let's say you are Watford and you play vs Liverpool away and if you get a lead by 1 goals in such match then it makes sense to start using Shield Wall tactic immediately because even if Liverpool score than a draw still will be a very good result for Watford in away match vs Liverpool but let's say you Liverpool and you play vs Watford and if you get a lead by 1 goals in such match then I would not starting using Shield Wall tactic immediately because as Liverpool it makes sense to wait for a more solid lead by 2 or 3 goals when you play vs Watford

As you can see every case requires analyzing and it's just impossible to give one algorithm

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yes, that's truth... but you can create different types of MP, you can create 1 let's say to play against hard teams, or away and another to play at home, or against lower teams

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24 minutes ago, rlemos said:

yes, that's truth... but you can create different types of MP, you can create 1 let's say to play against hard teams, or away and another to play at home, or against lower teams

Sure, mate... you can create as many MP as you want

There's nothing complicated it's just when you use Shield Wall tactic you then greatly boost your defense and greatly weaken your attack and that's all and there might be countless different match scenarios when such action can be useful

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TFF, have you noticed that your CF scores less in IR? or is just with me?

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hello @Totalfootballfan 

 

i use your tactic since FM2018, you are the boss.

but i have a problem.

i have patch 20.4, and your tactic is not working for me. is it because 20.4, is that possible??

like to hear from you.

 

 

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Hey TFF, thanks for great tactics. I have one question. How do you deal with subs? I mean, do you have any routine or you just substitute players you think are underperforming in particular game? Or do you look at ratings, condition, minute of the match...? Thank you!

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40 minutes ago, rlemos said:

TFF, have you noticed that your CF scores less in IR? or is just with me?

If you are talking about the striker then I see the only one reason why it might happen...  your assistant manager might substitute your striker very often and very early every match which greatly reduces his playing time and decreases his goals scored

 

39 minutes ago, hakankd said:

hello @Totalfootballfan 

 

i use your tactic since FM2018, you are the boss.

but i have a problem.

i have patch 20.4, and your tactic is not working for me. is it because 20.4, is that possible??

like to hear from you.

 

 

 

Hey mate,

If you are talking about Cerber V3 tactic then it was developed to work with 20.2.4, 20.3.0 and 20.4.0 patches 

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1 minute ago, Totalfootballfan said:

If you are talking about the striker then I see the only one reason it might be that your assistant manager substitute your striker very often and very early every match which greatly reduces his playing time and decreases his goals scored

 

 

Hey mate,

If you are talking about Cerber V3 tactic then it was developed to work with 20.2.4, 20.3.0 and 20.4.0 patches 

 

Hey Mate,

o ok, that the reason why i didnt work.

i tried EXECUTIONER v4 ASHBRINGER V4.

i will try cerber V3 tonight.

thanks a lot for you reply

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5 minutes ago, hrvo1987 said:

Hey TFF, thanks for great tactics. I have one question. How do you deal with subs? I mean, do you have any routine or you just substitute players you think are underperforming in particular game? Or do you look at ratings, condition, minute of the match...? Thank you!

Hey mate,

When I do substitution I only look at the Conditions, usually, around 68 min of a match I start substituting the most tired players

 

4 minutes ago, hakankd said:

 

Hey Mate,

o ok, that the reason why i didnt work.

i tried EXECUTIONER v4 ASHBRINGER V4.

i will try cerber V3 tonight.

thanks a lot for you reply

 

Mate, I'd say you should start with Cerber V3 because Cerber V3 is the only tactic that I recommend using for 20.2.4, 20.3.0 and 20.4.0 patches, also, there 2 support tactics(Shield Wall and Fury) that can be used with Cerber to further boost your results

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1 minute ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Hey mate,

When I do substitution I only look at the Conditions, usually, around 68 min of a match I start substituting the most tired players

Thanks mate! Cheers

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40 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

If you are talking about the striker then I see the only one reason it might be that your assistant manager substitute your striker very often and very early every match which greatly reduces his playing time and decreases his goals scored

 

 

i've confirmed this, and you're rigth..

 

 

i believe that my AM thinks that my sub Forward is better then the one i leave in First XI, and that 's why he makes that sub often

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16 minutes ago, rlemos said:

i've confirmed this, and you're rigth..

 

 

i believe that my AM thinks that my sub Forward is better then the one i leave in First XI, and that 's why he makes that sub often

 

Yup, I find that even the best assistant manager makes very dubious / poor decisions when it comes to picking the starting eleven for the tactic or making substitutions during matches

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On 28/02/2020 at 16:08, Totalfootballfan said:

Hey mate,

I don't know what team you manage and how further you in your save so it might be that some strikers greatly developed and some strikers greatly deteriorated in your save but as things stand in the 1st season here's a list of strikers for Cerber V3 tactic ordered by CA

 

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TFF is just a suggestion for those who cannot find good players for the positions. Would it be possible and if you have time to make such a list with the rest of the positions?

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13 minutes ago, lipebtavares said:

TFF is just a suggestion for those who cannot find good players for the positions. Would it be possible and if you have time to make such a list with the rest of the positions?

Mate, I might consider that if I had a lot free time :)

You always can make such list by yourself using the filters at the OP and FMRTE 

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vor 1 Stunde schrieb kavinsky:

Conqueror V8 from FM2019 its by far the best tactic. It works amazingly on FM2020.

If someone wants to test it (which i will try), here is TFF`s original Conqueror V8 from FM2019.
Thx for the Tip kavinsky, i will try it. :)

 

(19-3) TFF - CONQUEROR V8.fmf

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I try Conqueror V8 in a couple of games and it looks even better than Cerber.

 

 

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@TotalFootballFan can you please release your best 442 right now? Thank you. I understand it will less effective than Cerber but i don't mind

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vor 1 Stunde schrieb Totalfootballfan:

I find it's less effective than Cerber

Actually i`ve played until now (because free day ^^) and tested about 20 Matches (new save) with Conquerer V8) and it was okay, but nothing more.
So i switched back to my Main-Save and got 15 wins in a row so far (not finished yet, but i have to go to sleep now xD...), which is my clubrecord for this save so far (2nd season Hertha BSC).

Clearly Cerber V3 is the best TFF tactic in my opinion.
Whatever, have a nice day@all.

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I notice that playing left footed at MCR and right footed at MCL is more effective, midfielders got higher rating by scoring long range goals. Just my opinion after 2 seasons of test.

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Found that Cerber and Fighter are really inconsistent, can score 4 then struggling to create. Also, with both tactics I'm super vulnerable defensively, each game I'm conceding A LOT of shots.  My WB are getting 6.3 / 6.4 rating every single game. Any suggestion? Btw. Started to use these tactics mid season around January. Managing Brentford, first season in PL. 

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44 minutes ago, daho said:

Found that Cerber and Fighter are really inconsistent, can score 4 then struggling to create. Also, with both tactics I'm super vulnerable defensively, each game I'm conceding A LOT of shots.  My WB are getting 6.3 / 6.4 rating every single game. Any suggestion? Btw. Started to use these tactics mid season around January. Managing Brentford, first season in PL. 

Mate, if you play with a newly promoted club in the most difficult leagues in the game such EPL or La Liga then a typical scenario of your progress looks like this:

- At your first season you are one of the weakest teams in the league, predicted to finish 17th-20th place

- If you use a very efficient tactic then usually you can finish the season as high as 5th place and as low as 12th place depends on your luck

- If you use a very efficient tactic then each season you should do better than your media prediction and that will allow you to improve your team each season

- after improving your team season by season at some point you'll reach 10th media prediction so with such media prediction you can expect to finish as high as 3rd place and as low 5th, also, you have a small chance of winning the league but such chances is really small and you need a lot luck for it

- after improving your team season by season at some point you'll reach 3rd media prediction so with such media prediction you can expect to finish as high as 1st place and as low 3rd, only such media prediction gives you a solid chances of winning the title

So it might take 4-5 seasons or even more to win the title with newly promoted team in EPL or La Liga

The less difficult league the easier to win it… For example, usually, you can easily win Championship Sky Bet with a 10th-13th media prediction team and some very low reputation league you can win even the weakest teams in the league but the most reputable leagues in the game are really difficult and your overachievement is limited by quality of your players in such league.

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2 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Mate, if you play with a newly promoted club in the most difficult leagues in the game such EPL or La Liga then a typical scenario of your progress looks like this:

 

- At your first season you are one of the weakest teams in the league, predicted to finish 17th-20th place

 

- If you use a very efficient tactic then usually you can finish the season as high as 5th place and as low as 12th place depends on your luck

 

- If you use a very efficient tactic then each season you should do better than your media prediction and that will allow you to improve your team each season

 

- after improving your team season by season at some point you'll reach 10th media prediction so with such media prediction you can expect to finish as high as 3rd place and as low 5th, also, you have a small chance of winning the league but such chances is really small and you need a lot luck for it

 

- after improving your team season by season at some point you'll reach 3rd media prediction so with such media prediction you can expect to finish as high as 1st place and as low 3rd, with such media prediction your chances of winning the title are very high

 

So it might take 4-5 seasons or even more to win the title with newly promoted team in EPL or La Liga

 

The less difficult league the easier to win it… For example, usually, you can easily win Championship Sky Bet with a 10th-13th media prediction team and some very low reputation league you can win even the weakest teams in the league but the most reputable leagues in the game are really difficult and your overachievement is limited by quality of your players in such league.

 

Yes I get the concept, but your suggestion would still be to stick with cerber right? thanks mate

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9 minutes ago, daho said:

Yes I get the concept, but your suggestion would still be to stick with cerber right? thanks mate

I find Cerber gives a guaranty that you'll do better than your media prediction at the end of the season but how much better it depends on your luck and the difficulty of your league

If it happens that you did worse than your media prediction with Cerber tactic then send me your save and I'll help you  

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3 hours ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Mate, if you play with a newly promoted club in the most difficult leagues in the game such EPL or La Liga then a typical scenario of your progress looks like this:

- At your first season you are one of the weakest teams in the league, predicted to finish 17th-20th place

- If you use a very efficient tactic then usually you can finish the season as high as 5th place and as low as 12th place depends on your luck

- If you use a very efficient tactic then each season you should do better than your media prediction and that will allow you to improve your team each season

- after improving your team season by season at some point you'll reach 10th media prediction so with such media prediction you can expect to finish as high as 3rd place and as low 5th, also, you have a small chance of winning the league but such chances is really small and you need a lot luck for it

- after improving your team season by season at some point you'll reach 3rd media prediction so with such media prediction you can expect to finish as high as 1st place and as low 3rd, only such media prediction gives you a solid chances of winning the title

So it might take 4-5 seasons or even more to win the title with newly promoted team in EPL or La Liga

The less difficult league the easier to win it… For example, usually, you can easily win Championship Sky Bet with a 10th-13th media prediction team and some very low reputation league you can win even the weakest teams in the league but the most reputable leagues in the game are really difficult and your overachievement is limited by quality of your players in such league.

This scenario is exactly what happened in my save using your tactics in the EPL.

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@Totalfootballfan do you care about position familiarity, or do you just care if he has the stats to play that role?

And what about this: I have

  • a 25 year old winger who my assistant gives 3.5 stars in the winger position,
  • and a young guy who has much lower CA, gets only 2 stars from my assistant, but he is better in all key attributes and at least equal or better in preferred attributes than the other guy...

would you play the 2 star young guy with better stats distribution than the 3.5 higher CA guy?

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When comparing players for the same position according to the filters, which player is better, the one that has for example 13-13-13-13-13 or one that is 17-17-9-9-13? Do you understand my question?

In the end I won the Champions League with my Sassuolo. In the final I beat Manchester United 3 to 0. Thanks you a lot!

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2 hours ago, DavyDepuydt1 said:

@Totalfootballfan do you care about position familiarity, or do you just care if he has the stats to play that role?

And what about this: I have

  • a 25 year old winger who my assistant gives 3.5 stars in the winger position,
  • and a young guy who has much lower CA, gets only 2 stars from my assistant, but he is better in all key attributes and at least equal or better in preferred attributes than the other guy...

would you play the 2 star young guy with better stats distribution than the 3.5 higher CA guy?

 

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When your assistant manager gives the stars rating above to your player then he takes into consideration these factors:

- the CA of the player, specifically, how it stands compared the average CA of the players in the team

- the player ability to play at the position

- the role and duty suitability based on the key attributes for the role and duty

 

Please note, that the attributes of your assistant manager, also, play role

 

If you ask me then I never look at the star rating because I prefer evaluate players myself and it isn't hard to do because the only what matter is the players attributes and his ability to play at the position

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Honestly, I always wanted to know what difference between "Competent", "Accomplished" and "Natural" but I was to lazy to test it :) but now I've finally decided to find out it... so stay tuned I'll report you back when I'm done 

 

Mate, I would suggest using common sense, for example, some winger has (20) Crossing and only (5)Acceleration and (5)Pace so his great Crossing ability is kind useless because he can't run at all and defenders always will be catching him 

 

  

1 hour ago, santiago_staiger said:

When comparing players for the same position according to the filters, which player is better, the one that has for example 13-13-13-13-13 or one that is 17-17-9-9-13? Do you understand my question?

Mate, I would suggest using common sense, for example, some winger has (20) Crossing and only (5)Acceleration and (5)Pace so his great Crossing ability is kind useless because he can't run at all and defenders always will be catching him 

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Hey TFF, I have a question, what could be the best tactic away? Thank you in advance

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HELLAS VERONA  Campione d'Italia  (first season)

Using Cerber V3 ,occasionaly FuryV1. 

No instant result, playing all the games

 

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1 hour ago, Totalfootballfan said:

 

Honestly, I always wanted to know what difference between "Competent", "Accomplished" and "Natural" but I was to lazy to test it :) but now I've finally decided to find out it... so stay tuned I'll report you back when I'm done 

 

 

Guys, as promised I've made some interesting test :)

When all players had "Natural - (20)" rating for the positions then their star ratings looked like this:

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Then I changed the positional rating of each player from "Natural - (20)" to "Accomplished - (15)" and their star ratings stated to look like this:

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As you can see the star rating dropped significantly and it started to look very scary :)

But how much did the results change after that?

I tested for about 800 matches and the result dropped only about 15%

 

Conclusion:

- the star rating often might look misleading ( the difference between 4 stars and 2 stars might be only just 15% )

- if 2 players have the same attributes but the first player has "Natural" rating for the position and the second player has "Accomplished" rating for the position then the 1st player will do about 15% better than the 2nd player so the difference between "Natural" rating and "Accomplished" rating is about 15%

 

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4 hours ago, DavyDepuydt1 said:

@Totalfootballfan do you care about position familiarity, or do you just care if he has the stats to play that role?

And what about this: I have

  • a 25 year old winger who my assistant gives 3.5 stars in the winger position,
  • and a young guy who has much lower CA, gets only 2 stars from my assistant, but he is better in all key attributes and at least equal or better in preferred attributes than the other guy...

would you play the 2 star young guy with better stats distribution than the 3.5 higher CA guy?

TFF 

Who would you scale based on your study?

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3 minutes ago, lipebtavares said:

TFF 

Who would you scale based on your study?

Mate, if you ask whom would I chosen then I need to see their attributes to answer the question :) becasue only the attributes and the position rating is only what matters 

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1 hour ago, Totalfootballfan said:

 

Guys, as promised I've made some interesting test :)

When all players had "Natural - (20)" rating for the positions then their star ratings looked like this:

natural-rating.png.032cebebd1b4a3e20990189fa659e322.png

natural-star-rating.png.eaacc3246250b79ef5d7a8c784b3612a.png

 

 

 

Then I changed the positional rating of each player from "Natural - (20)" to "Accomplished - (15)" and their star ratings stated to look like this:

accomlished-rating.png.abeeb7e9cbee237568a782e00b756222.png

accomlished-star-rating.thumb.png.271af9fe4be1b01acb562374568e152c.png

 

 

As you can see the star rating dropped significantly and it started to look very scary :)

But how much did the results change after that?

I tested for about 800 matches and the result dropped only about 15%

 

Conclusion:

- the star rating often might look misleading ( the difference between 4 stars and 2 stars might be only just 15% )

- if 2 players have the same attributes but the first player has "Natural" rating for the position and the second player has "Accomplished" rating for the position then the 1st player will do about 15% better than the 2nd player so the difference between "Natural" rating and "Accomplished" rating is about 15%

 

So how do we get the players natural for the positions if they have different individual training like you say in the OP?

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17 minutes ago, martinobremnato1 said:

So how do we get the players natural for the positions if they have different individual training like you say in the OP?

In most cases it's extremely hard achieve "Natural - (20)" rating and suggest not worry about that

As the test showed "Accomplished" (15) - (17) is good enough and it isn't hard to achieve that

To get an increase in a player's ability to play at specific position it's enough to train any role/duty at this position and it isn't necessary to train the same role/duty that the tactic uses 

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TTF, 

 

You did it again. Tactic works great.

 

Thank you 

 

1st Season, predicted 2nd and promoted easily:

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2nd Season, predicted 14, Won the title after winning both regular season an playoff.

 

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With most of my team around 100 CA, i made it to CL group stage:

 

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I still can't believe how great this tactic is. During my first season in European football I had to start all the way from the first qualifying round. My team is around 95-105 CA.

Great job @Totalfootballfan :) 

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13 hours ago, roggiotis said:

HELLAS VERONA  Campione d'Italia  (first season)

Using Cerber V3 ,occasionaly FuryV1. 

No instant result, playing all the games

 

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what's the skin you are using?

 

(most of the skins avoided to edit the match screens)

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