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2 hours ago, Fribbe said:

What tactic?

Cerber V3

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Its easy for me to sit here and criticise your tactics, given you are a genius at creating them, but I'm really struggling right now.  Starting with Badajoz in the lower Spanish leagues, I've used variations of your tactics over the seasons, with last season using ashbringer and getting great success, finishing in a champions league place (which is quite impressive when you have Barcelona and both of the Madrid teams in the league!  Added to that, the fact that my entire squad wage bill is matched by just one of the Barcelona stars. 

Anyway, I started this season using Ashbringer.  I'm not sure if it was the ME update not really taking effect until the end of the season, but something has changed.  Goals and match ratings.  I've switched over to Cerber V3, which seemed to have steadied the ship, but now I'm really struggling.  My Wingbacks are getting 6.3 and 6.4 ratings nearly every game.  The wingers seem to be dominant one game and terrible the next.  No matter who I play in the AMC SS role, they play absolutely terribly (6.0 to 6.3) and my striker who scored a load of goals last season has stopped scoring completely.  3 in 24 games.  I've tried bringing players on, tried rotating the squad, tried resorting to Fury V1 when behind (note I've never scored a goal using Fury) but nothing seems to work.

EDIT: I should add that the 2 central midfield players are playing brilliantly.

I realise I have poor players compared to most in the league, and players who are not ideally suited to their positions, but this was the same with your other tactics, yet somehow they worked. 

Any ideas what I can do?  I have zero transfer budget and zero extra wage bill.  Should I think about reverting to one of your earlier tactics?

Many thanks, and for the joy your tactics gave me rising through the leagues over the past 6 seasons :-)

Edited by Boris Dollar

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41 minutes ago, Boris Dollar said:

Its easy for me to sit here and criticise your tactics, given you are a genius at creating them, but I'm really struggling right now.  Starting with Badajoz in the lower Spanish leagues, I've used variations of your tactics over the seasons, with last season using ashbringer and getting great success, finishing in a champions league place (which is quite impressive when you have Barcelona and both of the Madrid teams in the league!  Added to that, the fact that my entire squad wage bill is matched by just one of the Barcelona stars. 

Anyway, I started this season using Ashbringer.  I'm not sure if it was the ME update not really taking effect until the end of the season, but something has changed.  Goals and match ratings.  I've switched over to Cerber V3, which seemed to have steadied the ship, but now I'm really struggling.  My Wingbacks are getting 6.3 and 6.4 ratings nearly every game.  The wingers seem to be dominant one game and terrible the next.  No matter who I play in the AMC SS role, they play absolutely terribly (6.0 to 6.3) and my striker who scored a load of goals last season has stopped scoring completely.  3 in 24 games.  I've tried bringing players on, tried rotating the squad, tried resorting to Fury V1 when behind (note I've never scored a goal using Fury) but nothing seems to work.

I realise I have poor players compared to most in the league, and players who are not ideally suited to their positions, but this was the same with your other tactics, yet somehow they worked. 

Any ideas what I can do?  I have zero transfer budget and zero extra wage bill.  Should I think about reverting to one of your earlier tactics?

Many thanks, and for the joy your tactics gave me rising through the leagues over the past 6 seasons :-)

Hi mate,

it's much easier overachving in low reputation leagues than in high reputation leagues because in low reputation leagues the AI managers are not that "smart" compared with the AI managers in high rep leagues, also, the quality of players in top teams and in bottom teams aren't much different in lower league then it can be in top leagues.

For example, in a very low reputation league it's possible to pick the weakest team in the league and you still have a good chances to win the league with Cerber V3 tactic but if you pick the weakest team in English Premier League or La Liga then you have extremely low chances to win the league.

Also, when you just appeared in La Liga with your team then you had the lowest reputation in the league and the AI managers didn't take you seriously and it greatly helped to punish them and overachieving even more than you should but when you finished in Champions League spot with your newly promoted team then your reputation skyrocketed and in the next season the AI managers started to take you very seriously which greatly increased the difficulty playing against them.

I don't see there's any gamebreaking tactic in FM20 that gives you only wins with any team in any league so tactics are limited what they can you do.

For example, when you play in a top league such English Premier League or La Liga and your team is predicted to finish 13th then with average tactic you might finish as high as 8th place and with a very good tactic you might finish as high as 3rd place, of course, everything is possible and there's still  a chances of winning the league with the weakest team and the worst tactic but such chances is extremely low.

A good tactic just helps you to do better than your media prediction and the better your tactic, the high overachieving level it gives you and but difficult of your league decreases this overachieving level so it varies depends on the reputation of your league.

I can say Cerber V3 tactic gives me the best overachieving level at the moment and if you think that it doesn't give you enough overachieving level with your team then you can send me your save at the end of the season and I'll try to help you.  

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26 minutes ago, Totalfootballfan said:

Hi mate,

it's much easier overachving in low reputation leagues than in high reputation leagues because in low reputation leagues the AI managers are not that "smart" compared with the AI managers in high rep leagues, also, the quality of players in top teams and in bottom teams aren't much different in lower league then it can be in top leagues.

For example, in a very low reputation league it's possible to pick the weakest team in the league and you still have a good chances to win the league with Cerber V3 tactic but if you pick the weakest team in English Premier League or La Liga then you have extremely low chances to win the league.

Also, when you just appeared in La Liga with your team then you had the lowest reputation in the league and the AI managers didn't take you seriously and it greatly helped to punish them and overachieving even more than you should but when you finished in Champions League spot with your newly promoted team then your reputation skyrocketed and in the next season the AI managers started to take you very seriously which greatly increased the difficulty playing against them.

I don't see there's any gamebreaking tactic in FM20 that gives you only wins with any team in any league so tactics are limited what they can you do.

For example, when you play in a top league such English Premier League or La Liga and your team is predicted to finish 13th then with average tactic you might finish as high as 8th place and with a very good tactic you might finish as high as 3rd place, of course, everything is possible and there's still  a chances of winning the league with the weakest team and the worst tactic but such chances is extremely low.

A good tactic just helps you to do better than your media prediction and the better your tactic, the high overachieving level it gives you and but difficult of your league decreases this overachieving level so it varies depends on the reputation of your league.

I can say Cerber V3 tactic gives me the best overachieving level at the moment and if you think that it doesn't give you enough overachieving level with your team then you can send me your save at the end of the season and I'll try to help you.  

I very much appreciate the response.  I suppose I hadnt really thought of it that way... despite my media predictions still being fairly low, I see your point about reputation.  The teams reputation rose the most out of any team in Europe!  I'll battle on with it and hope to slowly build a better squad over the years that can help with AI. :-)  Thanks again.

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9 minutes ago, Boris Dollar said:

I very much appreciate the response.  I suppose I hadnt really thought of it that way... despite my media predictions still being fairly low, I see your point about reputation.  The teams reputation rose the most out of any team in Europe!  I'll battle on with it and hope to slowly build a better squad over the years that can help with AI. :-)  Thanks again.

Mate, also here's a small tip... If you want to find out the strength of you team, specifically, where it stands compared with other teams in the league then look at the table below just before the 1st match of the season because at this moment all teams in the league are order purely by the average CA of their players and there's no point to look at this table during a season because it starts taking into consideration your current standing in the table so it orders the teams in the league by their average CA just before the 1st match of a season

 

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High TFF! Great job!

I just wonder why individual training focus is different from the tactical role they play. There's individual role familarity  which can be shown in the individual trainning menu. Does it impair the role familarity by trainning a AF into CF? 

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1 hour ago, yuchd said:

I just wonder why individual training focus is different from the tactical role they play. 

Hey,

I find it improves more useful attributes for the position that way

1 hour ago, yuchd said:

There's individual role familarity  which can be shown in the individual trainning menu. Does it impair the role familarity by trainning a AF into CF? 

I would not bother with that I don't find it makes any difference

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Hi @Totalfootballfan could you recommend some players suitable for Cerber V3. Especially for the AF which couldn't score a lot in my square. I have used Guiri, Selk and Edouad.

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Hi TFF If I change my advance forward role to complete forward role it will affect your tactic cerber v3 ?

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1 hour ago, Egwee said:

Hi TFF If I change my advance forward role to complete forward role it will affect your tactic cerber v3 ?

Ehm this is not the first or last time a simular question was asked lad but as tff said all roles are optimized and nothing should be tweaked (unless you want the tactic to do worse than what it does).

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is DOWNLOAD - (FM20 - patch 20-2-4) FILTERS V2 by TFF
us to when using cerber v3?

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Had to share my 1st season with Watford using the combo of: Cerber V3, Shield Wall and Fury!

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Played my team like this, Tff one question please.

My fullbacks did bad this season, maybe because they are slow? What type of fullbacks we need for this tatic?

You did amazing with this tatitcs! good job!

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Struggling with the new tactic. Not getting anywhere near the same results as Destroyer for some reason. Tried this tactic with Arsenal and Leicester and has been very up and down.

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40 minutes ago, Cristindiho said:

Struggling with the new tactic. Not getting anywhere near the same results as Destroyer for some reason. Tried this tactic with Arsenal and Leicester and has been very up and down.

i'm playing Leicester, it's 3rd season but not that much has changed in team. i'm sitting 3rd after 22 games. you must buy ML or MR (Antony is good and cheap) as only Barnes is doing decent on wings. don't suggest with game claiming that Maddison can play on left wing, he's quite bad there.

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Afternoon TFF, 

Just a quick one, it may have been asked before so apologies in advance. 

I'm going to start a Spurs save later, going to use Cerber & also Shield Wall for when I need to hang on to a result. Is there any tactic recommended for away games/tough games vs Top 6? Or any instructions to be changed?

 

Thanks

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1 minute ago, EriksenSpurs said:

Afternoon TFF, 

Just a quick one, it may have been asked before so apologies in advance. 

I'm going to start a Spurs save later, going to use Cerber & also Shield Wall for when I need to hang on to a result. Is there any tactic recommended for away games/tough games vs Top 6? Or any instructions to be changed?

 

Thanks

start every game with Cerber v3 and if you need/can push more switch to Fury v1

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Just now, fmjonek said:

start every game with Cerber v3 and if you need/can push more switch to Fury v1

When you say push, you meant drawing/losing and needing a goal? So it makes it more attacking?

 

Cheers

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2 minutes ago, EriksenSpurs said:

When you say push, you meant drawing/losing and needing a goal? So it makes it more attacking?

 

Cheers

yes and yes plus when you feel like you're strong enough to push without bad consequences.

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3 hours ago, MAECK said:

is DOWNLOAD - (FM20 - patch 20-2-4) FILTERS V2 by TFF
us to when using cerber v3?

if I understand your question correctly then yes, the filters at the OP can be used with Cerber V3 tactic

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3 hours ago, Pedrito said:

Played my team like this, Tff one question please.

My fullbacks did bad this season, maybe because they are slow? What type of fullbacks we need for this tatic?

You did amazing with this tatitcs! good job!

Hi mate,

I'm glad to hear it works good for you!

For Cerber V3 you need regular wing-backs, of course, quickness for wing-backs is a very useful skill :)

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7 hours ago, ttsd said:

Hi @Totalfootballfan could you recommend some players suitable for Cerber V3. Especially for the AF which couldn't score a lot in my square. I have used Guiri, Selk and Edouad.

Hey mate,

I don't know what team you manage and how further you in your save so it might be that some strikers greatly developed and some strikers greatly deteriorated in your save but as things stand in the 1st season here's a list of strikers for Cerber V3 tactic ordered by CA

 

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Got Juan Mata in on a free 3rd season aged 33 for Fulham and he is playing more than decent, 8 goals and 4 assists from AMC by January.

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1 hour ago, MarcusBanks7 said:

 

How do you get the player faces onb the tactics screen mate?

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13 hours ago, delaneytomlinson said:

@magicnutt

I saw your most recent post, I don't think changing player roles effects tactic efficiency because I'm using inverted wingers instead of a left footer on ML and I broke many records in my 4th season.

Lad..Your argument for this is just plane rediculous.

It is obvious that changing roles reduces the efficiency.Efficiency is measured in fixed conditions where it is estimated how much can be squeezed out of the tactic given a certain lvl of players.

4th season you can have a squad better than barcelona. and also what makes you presume you wont be setting higher records with the original tactic?

tff tested various roles and combinations in fixed ca/morale/condition settings and objectively what he came up with is best therefore yes it does reduce efficiency.

If you think you came up with something more efficient lets post your tweak here and lets test on fmarena until then 😴😪

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Hey TFF, you were kind enough to make a video of Cerber V3 for me. I was hoping when you get a min would you be able to do the same for Fury and Shield wall? Unless there is a way for me to download them? Bare in mind that I play on iPad and have no laptop. If you are able to make the videos I would be very grateful. I’m very excited to use Shield wall it’s much needed for me, I concede a lot in last few mins! I got relegated with Burton in the end. I’ve now moved to Crystal Palace but am only mid table. Could do with using the other tactics to sharpen up my game! 

Thank you mate 😊

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28 minutes ago, Yates626 said:

Hey TFF, you were kind enough to make a video of Cerber V3 for me. I was hoping when you get a min would you be able to do the same for Fury and Shield wall? Unless there is a way for me to download them? Bare in mind that I play on iPad and have no laptop. If you are able to make the videos I would be very grateful. I’m very excited to use Shield wall it’s much needed for me, I concede a lot in last few mins! I got relegated with Burton in the end. I’ve now moved to Crystal Palace but am only mid table. Could do with using the other tactics to sharpen up my game! 

Thank you mate 😊

Hey,

The only difference between Fury v1 and Cerber V3 is:

- "Attacking" Mentality instead of "Positive"

- "Much Higher D-Line" instead of "Standard"

- "Slightly More Direct Passing" instead of "Direct Passing"

and that's all...

 

I'll add a video that show Shield Wall tactic a bit later

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Ahh ok nice one mate thank you! I’ll sort that for fury and I’ll look forward to shield wall. Keep up the good work dude! 

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12 hours ago, magicnutt said:

Lad..Your argument for this is just plane rediculous.

It is obvious that changing roles reduces the efficiency.Efficiency is measured in fixed conditions where it is estimated how much can be squeezed out of the tactic given a certain lvl of players.

4th season you can have a squad better than barcelona. and also what makes you presume you wont be setting higher records with the original tactic?

tff tested various roles and combinations in fixed ca/morale/condition settings and objectively what he came up with is best therefore yes it does reduce efficiency.

If you think you came up with something more efficient lets post your tweak here and lets test on fmarena until then 😴😪

It didn't reduce efficiency on my save at all hope this helps.

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57 minutes ago, Yates626 said:

Ahh ok nice one mate thank you! I’ll sort that for fury and I’ll look forward to shield wall. Keep up the good work dude! 

I've added a video for Shield Wall V1 tactic

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Boston - Skybet League One

Mid - Season - Cerber v3 - Shield Wall V1

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Thank you for adding the shield wall video, it’s much appreciated. I’ve started using it already to good effect! 👍

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5 hours ago, delaneytomlinson said:

It didn't reduce efficiency on my save at all hope this helps.

Well as said you trying to pretend it didn't and it actually didn't is two different things and I don't see any evidence of the latter. :herman::applause::lol::stop::lock:

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