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So this year we finally have an option to ask the board for a B team if we manage a team that starts without one. My question is: can the B Team be promoted higher and play in "normal" leagues or is it - again - forever confined to its starting point and some arranged friendly games?

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Hopefully we get an answer from SI on gow this will work. I plan to manage Dynamo Dresden. What I want to know is what league my created B Team will go in. How far down the ladder. 

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I seem to recall that you cannot have an A- Team and B-Team in the same league. I would think this is because of the potential of them playing each and potential of questions how hard did one team try...imagine last game of the season for the A-team to get 3 points to win the league and the last match was A v B. I think this is how it works in say Spain

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That's not the issue, it's already understood that B team can't play in the same league and it says so on the affiliated teams' page. The issue is that if you have a B team that plays in an unplayable league, they will not promote ever to a playable league, so to develop players you have to rely on meaningless friendlies and u19 team that plays few games.

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Did we ever figure this one out? I have been unsuccessful in my attempts to get one added so far, but it only has appeal to me if we can get it into an actual league.

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25 minutes ago, Herbie2100 said:

It's down to the league rules, in the country you are playing in. 

We're not asking if B team can play in 1st tier with us. We're asking if B team can be promoted from non-simulated league to 3rd/4th tier that's fully simulated, with schedule and such, given good enough players of course.

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Teams are promoted from unplayable leagues to playable leagues based on their reputation. The higher the rep the higher the chance they get promoted. What i would like to know is how will the game work this out for a B Team that is created when we request it. Im going to play as Dynamo Dresden who have no B Team. I only want a B Team if i can get them into a playable league. B Teams in Germany can only play as high as 3.liga. If i request a B  Team when im playing Bundesliga football with Dresden will they be put straight into 3.liga (the playable league). Thats not likely to happen. Will they be put into the 4th tier with a decent rep so the have a chance of being promoted to 3. liga. Or will they be put even lower than that. The game might just create a B Team and not put them in a League. We have no idea how this works. It would be nice if someone from SI could explain the process of this and how it works

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Newly "created" teams usually start at the very bottom of pyramid, somewhere in regional leagues, so it can take a few years for them to get promoted higher. So yeah, it would be good to know if they can be promoted at all. But the lack of response from anyone knowleadgable enough makes me think it's not really an option...

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A newly created b team would likely not see the light of day. B teams that already exist can be promoted from a nothing league to a playable one. 

 

Someone mentioned Germany I think it was FM16 I had my second team promoted at one point. 

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I'd be particularly curious about Italian leagues. Last year Juventus  Zebre were able to enter their B team in Serie C (third tier and lowest playable division in FM) as they were the only club in the country who even requested a B team. Serie C is also the lowest possible division to enter a B team in Italy irl (they can be promoted to Serie B but can't play in Serie D if relegated) so not sure how FM will handle this, IF it's even possible to request a B team in Italy in FM (haven't seen that option available so far).

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i cant even see mye b-team in the "team pages" or at development center. Only under affiliated clubs. I can send players there, but how to call them or send them back to my team?

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I asked Miles about it on twitter and he said that b teams can get promoted if the league rules allow it. He didn't answer my question about what factors the promotion is based on though. I understand it. He prbly has enough to do as it is right now. Maybe we can get a mod to answer it. 

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Im doing a test to see exactly how asking for a B Team works. 

I have took over Dynamo Dresden and the first thing i did was ask for a B Team. Board said no due to poor finances.

I reloaded the save and used FMRTE to give us loads of money.

I asked the board for a B Team. They said yes.

I got a message saying that i will have B team set up at the end of the season and the will be put into the league structure.

Im now holidaying to see how this plays out. I will update when i know

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Promotion from regionaliga to 3 liga is based on reputation. According to FMRTE my  B Team has been given a reputation of 2060

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Top clubs in the 4th tier have a rep around or above 4000. So getting my b team into a playable league would be incredibly lucky. one way to do it would be to use FMRTE to boost the b team rep to 5000.

Save and reload on the league reset day which is around 19th June. You will get them in that way

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Fantastic work wicksy! Thanks for helping to solve this riddle. I usually download a league update that adds levels 4-6 for Germany so this means my youngsters will get live games. Sincerely thank you mate!

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13 hours ago, wicksyFM said:

Top clubs in the 4th tier have a rep around or above 4000. So getting my b team into a playable league would be incredibly lucky. one way to do it would be to use FMRTE to boost the b team rep to 5000.

Save and reload on the league reset day which is around 19th June. You will get them in that way

So they can be promoted? Thanks for the experiement! :D

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15 hours ago, wicksyFM said:

Top clubs in the 4th tier have a rep around or above 4000. So getting my b team into a playable league would be incredibly lucky. one way to do it would be to use FMRTE to boost the b team rep to 5000.

Save and reload on the league reset day which is around 19th June. You will get them in that way

Have you tested it? I tried that in 19 with cheatengine and it didn't work. 

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I tested it on FM19. Gave my B team a reputation of 10000. They never promoted in 4 seasons. I even moved my best youngsters there. I also tried the reloading method many times without success. The way I see it, only teams that are in the next league below the lowest playable league will promote to a playable league. I never managed to get the B team promoted from an unplayable league to another unplayable league.

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18 hours ago, Vali184 said:

I tested it on FM19. Gave my B team a reputation of 10000. They never promoted in 4 seasons. I even moved my best youngsters there. I also tried the reloading method many times without success. The way I see it, only teams that are in the next league below the lowest playable league will promote to a playable league. I never managed to get the B team promoted from an unplayable league to another unplayable league.

In FM17 I had about 20-25 attempts at reloading and Barca B with the highest rep never got promoted up to a playable league

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It can happen. I had my Stuttgart B team pro.oted to 3 Liga. Higher rep just means more chance it happens. It took me about 30 reloads to get them in

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On 11/11/2019 at 22:55, wicksyFM said:

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B Team created and placed in 4th Tier regionaliga

Sounds a bit high for a B team to enter the league structure. Shouldnt it be placed far lower in the pyramid, being a new team? 

I remember when RB Leipzig was entered, they started in the 5th tier, but that was just because they bought the license of another team there, Markkranstädt...

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Il 8/11/2019 in 01:34 , kandersson ha scritto:

I'd be particularly curious about Italian leagues. Last year Juventus  Zebre were able to enter their B team in Serie C (third tier and lowest playable division in FM) as they were the only club in the country who even requested a B team. Serie C is also the lowest possible division to enter a B team in Italy irl (they can be promoted to Serie B but can't play in Serie D if relegated) so not sure how FM will handle this, IF it's even possible to request a B team in Italy in FM (haven't seen that option available so far).

I'm curious about this too, I started a career with Milan but among the requests to the management does not include the possibility of asking the team B, although it should be possible since Juventus has one, if someone could give me some information about it I would be grateful

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I'm interested in this, looks like there is no information about, and my 2nd team happens to be just a nice looking useless stuff.

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Having followed the above advice with RB Leipzig my results were as follows. RB II entered into the Regionalliga for their first season (2nd in game year) . After boosting reputation to 10,000 , they moved in their 2nd year to the Regionallida Nord (I believe this represents a promotion) . 10 reloads of my save resulted in the same three teams promoted into 3. Liga, and everytime RB II were put into the Nord division. Looking at the promoted teams history, they came from the Regionalliga regional divisions. Hopfully after another season RB II will be in the 3. liga. I will keep this thread updated, I reckon I'll finish the season in a week tops hopefully.

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Playable League 1 and League 2.

 

League 3 not playable. This League has data because it needs to generate teams to promote to the active League 2. It uses the Rank system.

 

B Team in League 4 and as far as I can tell this means there is no data for the team at all. There is no simulation at all. It doesn't generate promotion team for League 3 because League 3 isn't active.

 

If you are in the league just below a playable one, you can get rank based promotions. Because a playable league has those promotion places that forces the non-playable league to generate promotion teams.

If  you are 2 or more leagues below a playable league I think you are in some kind of non-existent state.

 

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An update, after getting up to the Regionalliga Nord the following season RB Leipzig II were promoted to the 3. liga and so the games were then simulated.

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Yeah, but like most not sure what factors come into play. I'm in La Liga with Zaragoza and in my second season the B Team was promoted to the Second DIvision B

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I think it was reputation, I used the editor to bump II team up to max rep and they got instant promotion (that's for the non simulated leagues), obviously in the sim ones it's league position.

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I play with SD Huesca in the 2nd league, and replaced my B team with another one from the 3rd league. It was the only way to get it into a playable league. But now they're the last team in the 3rd league... 

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I can provide some feedback based on my experience. 

I am using the Lower Leagues Norway editor files with the latest version of the database which unlocks the Norwegian Third and Fourth divisions. Search Passion4FM Norway if you are interested. 

I am managing Lyn Football, who start in the third division which is unplayable, however it is available to be selected when starting a game, you just can't manage a team in that league without the editor files. 

SI added this division to improve the realism for B teams in the Norway leagues. 

Lyn Football reserves team is in the fourth division and i have managed to get them in the second division which is as high as they are allowed to go. Should the 1st team get relegated to the second division, Lyn 2 will be relegated to the third division. 

Being able to manage the reserve team in a playable league can help non 1st team players develop quicker i find. 

The reserve teams are not allowed in any cup competitions, so league games only. 

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