Soviet Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 (edited) So this year we finally have an option to ask the board for a B team if we manage a team that starts without one. My question is: can the B Team be promoted higher and play in "normal" leagues or is it - again - forever confined to its starting point and some arranged friendly games? Edited November 3, 2019 by Soviet 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I am also interested in this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Hopefully we get an answer from SI on gow this will work. I plan to manage Dynamo Dresden. What I want to know is what league my created B Team will go in. How far down the ladder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPompey Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I seem to recall that you cannot have an A- Team and B-Team in the same league. I would think this is because of the potential of them playing each and potential of questions how hard did one team try...imagine last game of the season for the A-team to get 3 points to win the league and the last match was A v B. I think this is how it works in say Spain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vali184 Posted November 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2019 (edited) That's not the issue, it's already understood that B team can't play in the same league and it says so on the affiliated teams' page. The issue is that if you have a B team that plays in an unplayable league, they will not promote ever to a playable league, so to develop players you have to rely on meaningless friendlies and u19 team that plays few games. Edited November 3, 2019 by Vali184 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade6119 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Did we ever figure this one out? I have been unsuccessful in my attempts to get one added so far, but it only has appeal to me if we can get it into an actual league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbie2100 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 It's down to the league rules, in the country you are playing in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soviet Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Herbie2100 said: It's down to the league rules, in the country you are playing in. We're not asking if B team can play in 1st tier with us. We're asking if B team can be promoted from non-simulated league to 3rd/4th tier that's fully simulated, with schedule and such, given good enough players of course. Edited November 5, 2019 by Soviet 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) Teams are promoted from unplayable leagues to playable leagues based on their reputation. The higher the rep the higher the chance they get promoted. What i would like to know is how will the game work this out for a B Team that is created when we request it. Im going to play as Dynamo Dresden who have no B Team. I only want a B Team if i can get them into a playable league. B Teams in Germany can only play as high as 3.liga. If i request a B Team when im playing Bundesliga football with Dresden will they be put straight into 3.liga (the playable league). Thats not likely to happen. Will they be put into the 4th tier with a decent rep so the have a chance of being promoted to 3. liga. Or will they be put even lower than that. The game might just create a B Team and not put them in a League. We have no idea how this works. It would be nice if someone from SI could explain the process of this and how it works Edited November 5, 2019 by wicksyFM 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soviet Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) Newly "created" teams usually start at the very bottom of pyramid, somewhere in regional leagues, so it can take a few years for them to get promoted higher. So yeah, it would be good to know if they can be promoted at all. But the lack of response from anyone knowleadgable enough makes me think it's not really an option... Edited November 5, 2019 by Soviet 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wearesporting Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 A newly created b team would likely not see the light of day. B teams that already exist can be promoted from a nothing league to a playable one. Someone mentioned Germany I think it was FM16 I had my second team promoted at one point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I'd be particularly curious about Italian leagues. Last year Juventus Zebre were able to enter their B team in Serie C (third tier and lowest playable division in FM) as they were the only club in the country who even requested a B team. Serie C is also the lowest possible division to enter a B team in Italy irl (they can be promoted to Serie B but can't play in Serie D if relegated) so not sure how FM will handle this, IF it's even possible to request a B team in Italy in FM (haven't seen that option available so far). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade6119 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 bump for some mod to check in on this eventually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llainen Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 i cant even see mye b-team in the "team pages" or at development center. Only under affiliated clubs. I can send players there, but how to call them or send them back to my team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I asked Miles about it on twitter and he said that b teams can get promoted if the league rules allow it. He didn't answer my question about what factors the promotion is based on though. I understand it. He prbly has enough to do as it is right now. Maybe we can get a mod to answer it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Im doing a test to see exactly how asking for a B Team works. I have took over Dynamo Dresden and the first thing i did was ask for a B Team. Board said no due to poor finances. I reloaded the save and used FMRTE to give us loads of money. I asked the board for a B Team. They said yes. I got a message saying that i will have B team set up at the end of the season and the will be put into the league structure. Im now holidaying to see how this plays out. I will update when i know 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 B Team created and placed in 4th Tier regionaliga 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Promotion from regionaliga to 3 liga is based on reputation. According to FMRTE my B Team has been given a reputation of 2060 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Top clubs in the 4th tier have a rep around or above 4000. So getting my b team into a playable league would be incredibly lucky. one way to do it would be to use FMRTE to boost the b team rep to 5000. Save and reload on the league reset day which is around 19th June. You will get them in that way 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade6119 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) Fantastic work wicksy! Thanks for helping to solve this riddle. I usually download a league update that adds levels 4-6 for Germany so this means my youngsters will get live games. Sincerely thank you mate! Edited November 12, 2019 by Blade6119 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soviet Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 13 hours ago, wicksyFM said: Top clubs in the 4th tier have a rep around or above 4000. So getting my b team into a playable league would be incredibly lucky. one way to do it would be to use FMRTE to boost the b team rep to 5000. Save and reload on the league reset day which is around 19th June. You will get them in that way So they can be promoted? Thanks for the experiement! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 15 hours ago, wicksyFM said: Top clubs in the 4th tier have a rep around or above 4000. So getting my b team into a playable league would be incredibly lucky. one way to do it would be to use FMRTE to boost the b team rep to 5000. Save and reload on the league reset day which is around 19th June. You will get them in that way Have you tested it? I tried that in 19 with cheatengine and it didn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) I tested it on FM19. Gave my B team a reputation of 10000. They never promoted in 4 seasons. I even moved my best youngsters there. I also tried the reloading method many times without success. The way I see it, only teams that are in the next league below the lowest playable league will promote to a playable league. I never managed to get the B team promoted from an unplayable league to another unplayable league. Edited November 12, 2019 by Vali184 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steakfaced Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 18 hours ago, Vali184 said: I tested it on FM19. Gave my B team a reputation of 10000. They never promoted in 4 seasons. I even moved my best youngsters there. I also tried the reloading method many times without success. The way I see it, only teams that are in the next league below the lowest playable league will promote to a playable league. I never managed to get the B team promoted from an unplayable league to another unplayable league. In FM17 I had about 20-25 attempts at reloading and Barca B with the highest rep never got promoted up to a playable league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 It can happen. I had my Stuttgart B team pro.oted to 3 Liga. Higher rep just means more chance it happens. It took me about 30 reloads to get them in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carambau Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 On 11/11/2019 at 22:55, wicksyFM said: B Team created and placed in 4th Tier regionaliga Sounds a bit high for a B team to enter the league structure. Shouldnt it be placed far lower in the pyramid, being a new team? I remember when RB Leipzig was entered, they started in the 5th tier, but that was just because they bought the license of another team there, Markkranstädt... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nie jem frytek Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Pretty sure Regionalliga is the lowest league existing (albeit unplayable) in Football Manager. Can't be placed lower if lower doesn't exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carambau Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 You´re right, didn´t think of that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gago9 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Il 8/11/2019 in 01:34 , kandersson ha scritto: I'd be particularly curious about Italian leagues. Last year Juventus Zebre were able to enter their B team in Serie C (third tier and lowest playable division in FM) as they were the only club in the country who even requested a B team. Serie C is also the lowest possible division to enter a B team in Italy irl (they can be promoted to Serie B but can't play in Serie D if relegated) so not sure how FM will handle this, IF it's even possible to request a B team in Italy in FM (haven't seen that option available so far). I'm curious about this too, I started a career with Milan but among the requests to the management does not include the possibility of asking the team B, although it should be possible since Juventus has one, if someone could give me some information about it I would be grateful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuarl Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I'm interested in this, looks like there is no information about, and my 2nd team happens to be just a nice looking useless stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcaPulse Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) Having followed the above advice with RB Leipzig my results were as follows. RB II entered into the Regionalliga for their first season (2nd in game year) . After boosting reputation to 10,000 , they moved in their 2nd year to the Regionallida Nord (I believe this represents a promotion) . 10 reloads of my save resulted in the same three teams promoted into 3. Liga, and everytime RB II were put into the Nord division. Looking at the promoted teams history, they came from the Regionalliga regional divisions. Hopfully after another season RB II will be in the 3. liga. I will keep this thread updated, I reckon I'll finish the season in a week tops hopefully. Edited March 6, 2020 by ArcaPulse 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Playable League 1 and League 2. League 3 not playable. This League has data because it needs to generate teams to promote to the active League 2. It uses the Rank system. B Team in League 4 and as far as I can tell this means there is no data for the team at all. There is no simulation at all. It doesn't generate promotion team for League 3 because League 3 isn't active. If you are in the league just below a playable one, you can get rank based promotions. Because a playable league has those promotion places that forces the non-playable league to generate promotion teams. If you are 2 or more leagues below a playable league I think you are in some kind of non-existent state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlinium Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 In Germany B Teams can go up to the 3rd League, in Spain up to 2nd League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcaPulse Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 An update, after getting up to the Regionalliga Nord the following season RB Leipzig II were promoted to the 3. liga and so the games were then simulated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesters86 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Yeah, but like most not sure what factors come into play. I'm in La Liga with Zaragoza and in my second season the B Team was promoted to the Second DIvision B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcaPulse Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 I think it was reputation, I used the editor to bump II team up to max rep and they got instant promotion (that's for the non simulated leagues), obviously in the sim ones it's league position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 I play with SD Huesca in the 2nd league, and replaced my B team with another one from the 3rd league. It was the only way to get it into a playable league. But now they're the last team in the 3rd league... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMattB81 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I can provide some feedback based on my experience. I am using the Lower Leagues Norway editor files with the latest version of the database which unlocks the Norwegian Third and Fourth divisions. Search Passion4FM Norway if you are interested. I am managing Lyn Football, who start in the third division which is unplayable, however it is available to be selected when starting a game, you just can't manage a team in that league without the editor files. SI added this division to improve the realism for B teams in the Norway leagues. Lyn Football reserves team is in the fourth division and i have managed to get them in the second division which is as high as they are allowed to go. Should the 1st team get relegated to the second division, Lyn 2 will be relegated to the third division. Being able to manage the reserve team in a playable league can help non 1st team players develop quicker i find. The reserve teams are not allowed in any cup competitions, so league games only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis999 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 I have read through this thread and there's some great research but so I can be clear, if a German B team is generated in the 5th tier (unplayable) will they ever be able to get into the 3rd (playable tier)? Or can they only reach the 3rd tier if they were placed into the 4th straight away? If that's unclear I want to make it a bit easier to understand, can B team be promoted from one unplayable league to another? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, lewis999 said: I have read through this thread and there's some great research but so I can be clear, if a German B team is generated in the 5th tier (unplayable) will they ever be able to get into the 3rd (playable tier)? Or can they only reach the 3rd tier if they were placed into the 4th straight away? If that's unclear I want to make it a bit easier to understand, can B team be promoted from one unplayable league to another? They can be promoted to 3rd tier. But it is not likely to happen. Their rep will be to low to have the chance of it happening. You could use the in game editor or a third party editor to boost your B team rep then you will have a higher chance of it happening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis999 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, wicksyFM said: They can be promoted to 3rd tier. But it is not likely to happen. Their rep will be to low to have the chance of it happening. You could use the in game editor or a third party editor to boost your B team rep then you will have a higher chance of it happening Okay so my plan is to start as an amateur team in the 7th tier of Germany. I will put the U19 team into a playable league in the modified database as that's an important part if that doesn't become playable. I will however get to the point where I can ask for a B team. Would you recommend I wait until i'm higher up the pyramid so the B team get placed into a higher division or is that not how it works? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wicksyFM Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Just now, lewis999 said: Okay so my plan is to start as an amateur team in the 7th tier of Germany. I will put the U19 team into a playable league in the modified database as that's an important part if that doesn't become playable. I will however get to the point where I can ask for a B team. Would you recommend I wait until i'm higher up the pyramid so the B team get placed into a higher division or is that not how it works? I would wait until at least 2.Bundesliga. But, playing with a modified database may cause issues when it comes to putting your B team in a League. I only know what happens and how to get them playable on a standard database. But if you go ahead with the save, as your playing with a modified database the rep of your b team wont be an issue. They will get promoted if the players in the team are good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis999 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 1 minute ago, wicksyFM said: I would wait until at least 2.Bundesliga. But, playing with a modified database may cause issues when it comes to putting your B team in a League. I only know what happens and how to get them playable on a standard database. But if you go ahead with the save, as your playing with a modified database the rep of your b team wont be an issue. They will get promoted if the players in the team are good enough. Just dont want to put all the effort into it, make my own kits etc, live stream it all and then gets to 6 seasons in and I hit a few issues that may kill the game and the enjoyment of the viewers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ'43 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I'm sorry to bring this up almost a year after the game came out, but just to confirm that it is possible. As you can see, Sporting CP created a B team in 2024 (placed in Campeonato Distrital - 4th tier - unplayable) and they got promoted to Campeonato de Portugal (3rd tier - last playable league) in 2028/29. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 19/09/2020 at 09:14, CJ'43 said: I'm sorry to bring this up almost a year after the game came out, but just to confirm that it is possible. As you can see, Sporting CP created a B team in 2024 (placed in Campeonato Distrital - 4th tier - unplayable) and they got promoted to Campeonato de Portugal (3rd tier - last playable league) in 2028/29. If you ask the board to create a B team, it can get promoted. B teams that are already in the starting database can't get promoted to a playable league, at least in Spain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanMilly Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Vali184 said: If you ask the board to create a B team, it can get promoted. B teams that are already in the starting database can't get promoted to a playable league, at least in Spain. Reserve teams in unplayable leagues can get promoted to playable leagues. I've had it happen myself with reserve/B teams that are in the starting database (such as Dortmund). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMattB81 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 In Norway, if you use a modified databased available online, the B/Second/Reserve team can reach the second division but cannot go any higher. Managing Lyn Fotball for example, their second team starts in the fourth division and i was able to manage them (and the first team) and get them promoted twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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