Football Manager 2020 Pre-Release Beta *Official* Feedback Thread

[Double0Seven]

36 minutes ago, bobbyb12345 said:

But some of these are problems that were in FM19 too. 

1v1s isn't a new problem. Long shot goals aren't a new problem. They may be exacerbated in the beta but they're holdover issues from the previous game. If they haven't fixed them in the previous seven months, then will they in the next two weeks? 

Not sure what would scare me most: whether they're not smart enough to spot these issues, or them not being able to fix them. 

 

26 minutes ago, Seb Wassell said:

There is an assumption that these are the same issues, which is not correct. There have been a huge number of iterations internally between FM19 and FM20 Beta. The same symptom often does not have the same cause, especially following the ME team's extensive work on attacking movement this year.

As a programmer I can understand what Seb is talking about. 

But as a user I can also understand the frustration of Bobby. We are 2 weeks before release and there are problems with the ME that a lot of people has noticed. Its not a small issue either. You can browse here, reddit, other forums, YouTubers and notice that they also have issues. Bobby doesnt see the causes (only SI does), but for Bobby it doesnt matter. He sees the same outputs and they arent good. So what does it matter for Bobby or the user? Nothing. And frankly I can understand it. If almost a full year of development still resolves into having the same issues (despite other causes) what is it good for?

Not to mention the graphical performance which is apparently laggy on some peoples computer. This is not acceptable for a game with such bad graphics in comparison with newer games. RDR2 released today and also has issues, but that is a game of 150gb and has quite some nice graphics. 

Also as a programmer, I expect no magic to happen in the last two weeks of development. 

I sound negative, but I will reserve my full judgement until the final release. Just saying Im not too exciting this year and can understand user frustrations and why Bobby said what he said. 

 

 

[emil_sbn]

2 minutes ago, kiwityke1983 said:

One thing I really wish would get fixed are the instances of lack of logical thinking by players and now the board (via club vision). 

Two examples. 

1 - I signed a championship ready striker for half his value (1.4 million) he has premier league potential. The board are unhappy as the deal represents poor value... Erm we could literally sell him today for twice as much not 5 mins after signing him. (I'm expected to just avoid relegation). 

 

2 - We start brilliantly are absolutely hammering everyone. Flying at the top of the league. My captain who nobody is interested in signing suddenly decides he needs to move to a bigger club. I wish I could actually just give him a copy of the league table and point out we will be a Premier league club within months! 

Point 1 I completly agree on that should not happen.

But for point 2 I dont really see the problem sometimes players just feel they would like to move on especially if he is having a good season.

[Sunstrikuuu]

Didn't the hotfix just address most the graphical problems?

[kiwityke1983]

7 minutes ago, emil_sbn said:

But for point 2 I dont really see the problem sometimes players just feel they would like to move on especially if he is having a good season.

He's not even playing that well and in the summer just signed a brand new contract doubling his wages. 

Also nobody is interested in him. I even tried shopping him around a bit and nobody wanted him. So I signed a replacement and now he's getting splinters in his bottom sat on the bench. 

[iolodavanki]

C+ 

The 1-1 draw with Norwich cast a shadow over our triple-winning season. LOL!

[JordanMilly]

22 hours ago, Bakiano said:

How was this an offside, even with VAR  confirmation?

The blonde guy in black shirt scored the goal.

Referee error is included in FM20, so considering such calls are made even with VAR in real life, it doesn't surprise me that it might happen on occasion in FM20.

[turkishmvp]

I think the game launch needs to be delayed until December at the least.

Choppy graphics and the interface is nowhere near as polished as 19

 

[toffee71]

1 hour ago, frank_olaf said:

Is there a way to let my u19 manager decide on the tactics he uses for that team? In FM19 there was an option in Responsibilities to say I want the u19/Reserve team to play with the first team tactics or not. I can't find this option in FM20. It seems to default to the u19 team using the first team tactics.

Thanks.

 

1 hour ago, Rehnzz said:

I was looking like crazy for this too. 

Thanks you two, I thought I was going crazy. I like my Uxxs to only train my primary tactic, and I noticed my u23 manager changed to my defensive formation. Surely it's not been removed and is hidden somewhere, though 3 of us can't find it!

[VP.]

8 minutes ago, toffee71 said:

 

Thanks you two, I thought I was going crazy. I like my Uxxs to only train my primary tactic, and I noticed my u23 manager changed to my defensive formation. Surely it's not been removed and is hidden somewhere, though 3 of us can't find it!

[TokyoWanderer]

hace 57 minutos, HUNT3R dijo:

There really wasn't. You can look in-game at the ME version to confirm it as well.

HUNT3R, can you tell me how to check the ME version?

I've been raising bugs assuming the ME version number is the same as the game version. If I were to raise a ME bug now I would label the pkm as "ME2003 TEAM1 v TEAM2", but from your comment I'm guessing that would be wrong.

[Scotty Walds]

5 minutes ago, kidd_05_u2 said:

HUNT3R, can you tell me how to check the ME version?

I've been raising bugs assuming the ME version number is the same as the game version. If I were to raise a ME bug now I would label the pkm as "ME2003 TEAM1 v TEAM2", but from your comment I'm guessing that would be wrong.

FM > Game Status, under Game Information there is an entry for Current Version - tells you the programme version and match engine ("m.e.") version.

[Dagenham_Dave]

If I hadn't read the changelist notes, and was asked if the match engine was worked on in the last update, I would have said definitely. Maybe it's just because the visuals have been optimised, but it just 'feels' so much better. The placebo effect is strong within this update...

Regardless, I'm loving it again. 

[GOODNAME]

I still have lags in the matches.. before 20.0.2 the matches were smooth.. now they laggy

 

[Dagenham_Dave]

Just now, GOODNAME said:

I still have lags in the matches.. before 20.0.2 the matches were smooth.. now they laggy

 

SI really do have an impossible job with this game. 

[duwy]

12 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

If I hadn't read the changelist notes, and was asked if the match engine was worked on in the last update, I would have said definitely. Maybe it's just because the visuals have been optimised, but it just 'feels' so much better. The placebo effect is strong within this update...

Regardless, I'm loving it again. 

I know version number is the same, and the devs said "no changes to ME", but 9 one-on-ones converted in 4 games now, pretty big coincidence.

[Scotty Walds]

1 minute ago, duwy said:

I know version number is the same, and the devs said "no changes to ME", but 9 one-on-ones converted in 4 games now, pretty big coincidence.

It is exactly that.

[Johnny Ace]

I wonder if these partnerships are working for the AI, I assume not but they seem to have a good few

 

ETA: Looks like they do, that Schlager chap is in his first season with them 

Edited November 6, 2019 by Johnny Ace

[glosoli]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

I wonder if these partnerships are working for the AI, I assume not but they seem to have a good few

 

ETA: Looks like they do, that Schlager chap is in his first season with them 

Off topic, but Schlager was a beast BBM in FM19. I wonder how he will do in FM20.

[Johnny Ace]

37 minutes ago, kidd_05_u2 said:

HUNT3R, can you tell me how to check the ME version?

I've been raising bugs assuming the ME version number is the same as the game version. If I were to raise a ME bug now I would label the pkm as "ME2003 TEAM1 v TEAM2", but from your comment I'm guessing that would be wrong.

FM icon top right of the screen (left side of the date) & then Game Status, it's the same ME

Cheers for your bug reports too, top work 

[Johnny Ace]

Just now, glosoli said:

Off topic, but Schlager was a beast BBM in FM19. I wonder how he will do in FM20.

Don't tell me that, I'm about to play against him!! 

[Weller1980]

So many goals scored from crosses and long shots it’s really boring. The ball is always played out wide why can’t advanced playmakers play through balls. I’ve got two advanced playmakers and they barely make a forward pass between them. I thought the improved striker movement would help. Same old issues, it’s so noticeable watch the goals in your division and you will notice the vast majority are scored via crosses, surly I’m not the only person to see it. 

Edited November 6, 2019 by Weller1980

[RiverReveal666]

Have to say after the update I am seeing far more 1-1s being converted, plus more varied attacking play. I have seen there has been no ME changes, but something is making me enjoy the matches far more.

Placebo 1.... Hotfix 20.0.3 change notes....0

[rdbayly]

- Fix for Dark Skin showing white inbox 

[Dagenham_Dave]

Just now, rdbayly said:

- Fix for Dark Skin showing white inbox 

I actually preferred the white inbox, but I can understand why others hated it. 

[Weller1980]

2 minutes ago, RiverReveal666 said:

Have to say after the update I am seeing far more 1-1s being converted, plus more varied attacking play. I have seen there has been no ME changes, but something is making me enjoy the matches far more.

Placebo 1.... Hotfix 20.0.3 change notes....0

That my friend is a placebo effect no me changes since beta release.

[rdbayly]

Just now, Dagenham_Dave said:

I actually preferred the white inbox, but I can understand why others hated it. 

I seem to recall we had this exact exchange of posts last year?!

[Svenc]

20 minutes ago, duwy said:

I know version number is the same, and the devs said "no changes to ME", but 9 one-on-ones converted in 4 games now, pretty big coincidence.

Fortunate roll of the internal dice / not big enough a sample size. Alternatively/additionally, not every one on one may be equal opporunity, and you may have scored the easier ones to convert (which may actually be one of the flaws as to feedback as to one on ones every year -- they're all treated perfectly equal opportunity, when they never were on any release).  Plus, issues to be addressed may only apply to a specific Kind of Play (happened before).

Edited November 6, 2019 by Svenc

[Dagenham_Dave]

1 minute ago, Weller1980 said:

That my friend is a placebo effect no me changes since beta release.

In fairness, we've only got SI's word for that, it could be a cunning ploy to see if anybody notices

#tinfoil 

[Trevor L.]

1 minute ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

In fairness, we've only got SI's word for that, it could be a cunning ploy to see if anybody notices

#tinfoil 

Dave you have been hitting it out of the ballpark today. I think I upvoted 10 of your posts today :-)

 

Trevor L.

[Weller1980]

8 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:

In fairness, we've only got SI's word for that, it could be a cunning ploy to see if anybody notices

#tinfoil 

You could be right. Just played a few games and most of my goals and ai goals were scored via crosses I’m sure it wasn’t like that prior to the update.

[balldoktor81]

still laggy as hell!!! GTX 1060/Ryzen 5 1600/16 GB RAM with up to date drivers. and still max. 52 fps with drop down to 40/41... on high. Very Low/Low solves the problem but it's unacceptable!!!

[Seb Wassell]

2 hours ago, iolodavanki said:

C+ 

The 1-1 draw with Norwich cast a shadow over our triple-winning season. LOL!

Would be worth raising here - https://community.sigames.com/forum/696-football-manager-2020-pre-release-beta-bug-forum/

C+ seems harsh unless you have done incredibly badly on the other objectives, even considering the fact Liverpool are expected to win the Premier Division and challenge for the Champions Cup.

Drawing with Norwich at home is pretty bad though

[Fat_Frank8]

I haven't read through the entire thread but surely there are way, way, WAY too many scoring chances/shots? I'm 7 games into Serie A and a selection of results i have seen is:

Milan-Verona 4-0 (shots 33-0)

Roma-Sampdoria 1-0 (shots 40-6 (!!!!!))

Inter-Brescia 6-1 (shots 37-2)

Lecce-Milan 0-7 (shots 5-37)

Inter-Verona 6-0 (shots 39-2)

Atalanta-Lecce 2-0 (shots 33-2)

Lecce-Napoli 0-2 (shots 2-34)

Aside from the fact that the bottom teams are getting absolutely demolished by virtually everyone, those shots stats are way off. Around half of those 30-40 shots are on target. As a comparison from a IRL match between top vs bottom Inter beat Brescia 2-1 a week ago, with a total of 8 shots on target between them.

Also noticed the top teams, Inter in particular where i would expect Conte to rather play a striker as a central defender than change formation, are abandoning their "main formation" in most home games right from the start, playing some kind of ultra attacking 4-3-3 with three central strikers. 

[toffee71]

2 hours ago, SortitoutsiVP said:

Thanks for that, it helped, but I had taken control of training so have the U23 and U18 in the side bar and when it's like that there is no option in Dev Centre or in squads, now I've set it I can change first team without effecting Uxx formation.

So to sort it go Dev Centre use drop down for uXX select tactic then you can set primary formation for each of your uXX squads. If no option then go to next line

If you have control of your uXX side then go to staff responsiblities and delegate all your uXX tasks, then do above step, then you can put your staff responsibilities back to your preference.

Edited November 6, 2019 by toffee71

[ChelseaFan]

What's with all the cross field passing / missed 1 on 1s?

No matter what tactic I play, it's the same. Hit it wide. Hesitate in a good crossing position. Pull the ball back and either a) lose possession, b) put in a cross when all the defenders are now back.

Frustrating

 

[Sunstrikuuu]

Both are being looked at, I believe.  Known issues.  Put in some PKMs into the relevant threads in the bug forum - more high-quality examples can't hurt.

[Deisler26]

Why can't I every change the Club Vision? I've looked everywhere at the beginning and again, when I was offered a new contract and I cannot find anywhere that I can change or add to it.

[turkishmvp]

The Highlight speed is messed up too.

There are 2 slightly faster speeds.

1 is too damn fast, and the other is too damn slow.

Just patch FM19 and kill FM20 now...

[GOODNAME]

1 hour ago, balldoktor81 said:

still laggy as hell!!! GTX 1060/Ryzen 5 1600/16 GB RAM with up to date drivers. and still max. 52 fps with drop down to 40/41... on high. Very Low/Low solves the problem but it's unacceptable!!!

I just gave up on this

Hope in the 19th we will get better ME and smooth animations 

[Sunstrikuuu]

I'm not going to bug report it because I don't have a screenshot or a save, but I was just asked in a press conference if I could conceivably win the Premier League with slip-ups from teams ahead of me.  There are three games left and I'm ten points behind.

[Seb Wassell]

38 minutes ago, Deisler26 said:

Why can't I every change the Club Vision? I've looked everywhere at the beginning and again, when I was offered a new contract and I cannot find anywhere that I can change or add to it.

You are offered the chance to negotiate the Club Vision at the end of every season. You are also offered this chance at the start of a new save with a club and when interviewing for a new job.

[Razor940]

Does FM20 have a big impact difference on the computor? Normally my PC did lag in the Beta, but come full release and it would become normal.

[SazoJohnno]

Seeing as it is now focused fully for 64bit, I would expect a bit of the impact. But as long as your computer match the spec for FM20, you should be fine. 

[Deisler26]

37 minutes ago, Seb Wassell said:

You are offered the chance to negotiate the Club Vision at the end of every season. You are also offered this chance at the start of a new save with a club and when interviewing for a new job.

So, I went to that and absolutely NOWHERE could you add to it. You basically had to follow what the board wanted. You could negotiate what the board wanted, but couldn't add your own

Edited November 6, 2019 by Deisler26

[Scotty Walds]

Just now, Deisler26 said:

So, I went to that and absolutely NOWHERE could you add to it. You basically had to follow what the board wanted.

How well did you do during the season? Maybe they don't have confidence in you.

[Deisler26]

Just now, Scotty Walds said:

How well did you do during the season? Maybe they don't have confidence in you.

Finished 3rd in the Eredivisie with RKC, after being predicted 18th

[Sunstrikuuu]

Did I miss a rule change about Champions League places?  I just mathematically guaranteed top 4 with a game to spare and got a notification about qualifying for the EURO Cup. 

I know they've discussed eliminating the 4th CL place for all nations, but I didn't think that was final.  Am I wrong?

(Also, and I know this is a known issue that will be fixed in the final release, two players are unhappy that I haven't qualified for the Champions League.  I'll quality for the CL as long as I don't lose my last game by ten goals.)

[Seb Wassell]

22 minutes ago, Deisler26 said:

So, I went to that and absolutely NOWHERE could you add to it. You basically had to follow what the board wanted. You could negotiate what the board wanted, but couldn't add your own

You can add competition objectives to the 5 Year Plan using the menu in the bottom left.

You cannot add to the Club Culture. This is the Board's Vision, not the Manager's.

However, if you become known for overachieving using a certain style of football, there's a chance the board will adopt it...

[Deisler26]

6 minutes ago, Seb Wassell said:

You can add competition objectives to the 5 Year Plan using the menu in the bottom left.

You cannot add to the Club Culture. This is the Board's Vision, not the Manager's.

However, if you become known for overachieving using a certain style of football, there's a chance the board will adopt it...

You're kidding me?? What??? I don't like that at all. 

[Rehnzz]

Takeover

 

 I spent 7 seasons building a solid foundation, getting between 10th-3rd places.

Spent all this time raising children and making small profits of of players until i had amounted a nice 60 mill in my transfer budget, thought this was the year. 

My 5 year plan was realisticly to establish Brescia as a Serie A team.

Suddenly- A takeover affair begins. My transfer windows became unmanageable, for 2 years. Every window, same problems.

The takeover happens. They take all the money i have saved up,all my hard work. Sign some Ukrainian player against my will, valued 5 million Euro, for 60 million Euro. 

They change the club vision to qualifying for Champions League, every year. To play heavy possession, entertaining, high pace attacking football.

No money left, they invested 0 Euros into the club

My team is poor, i won't be able to live up to this. 

I've been Man United'd

How my FM 20 story ended.

Thanks, i hate it.

Cuckold simulator 20-