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Please post any specific issues for Northern Ireland competitions here. This is for any issue which does not relate to data and is for areas such as:

- Competition Rules (Leagues and Cups)
- Disciplinary Rules
- Transfer Rules

We would request you all to adhere to the following three point plan when posting in here:

- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.
- State how you think it should be working.
- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

Please note that specific data issues for Northern Ireland should be posted in the Database and Research Issues forum.

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The earliest start date could do with being moved forwards a week or so - some teams have already played pre-season games and are only a couple of days away from the Europa League Preliminary Round at game start.

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Just now, Spurs08 said:

The earliest start date could do with being moved forwards a week or so - some teams have already played pre-season games and are only a couple of days away from the Europa League Preliminary Round at game start.

What dates have such early pre-season games actually taken place, in real life, this year? 

Providing evidence to support issues always helps.

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Just now, Gripper said:

What dates have such early pre-season games actually taken place, in real life, this year? 

Providing evidence to support issues always helps.

In-game Cliftonville and Ballymena, the two teams in the Europa preliminaries, have friendlies auto-scheduled for the 22nd of June, and a competitive fixture on the 27th, when the earliest start date is the 24th. In real life they both actually played friendlies on the 14th of June, 10 days before FM's earliest start date, to try and prepare for these European fixtures.

https://cliftonvillefc.net/fixtures/

http://www.ballymenaunitedfc.com/matchcentre/

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- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.   

Currently no U18 league 


- State how you think it should be working.

As per Northern Ireland Football League Rules (NIFL AL Rules – Season 2019/20)

1. The Annual Subscription for each division; i. U-20 is included within the Premiership membership fee ii. Shall be £150 per team in U-18 & U-16 c)

2. . U-18 & U-16 AL shall both consist of a minimum of 12 and a maximum of 14 teams who shall play each other on two occasions (1 ‘home’ and 1 ‘away’)

3. 4. RANKING OF TEAMS a) Teams shall be awarded 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw and 0 points for a defeat. At the end of the AL Championship the club scoring the largest number of points shall be declared the champion club of the league. In the case of equality of points teams shall be ranked in accordance with the following criteria: i. Goal difference (Goals scored less goals conceded in all matches) ii. Goals scored in all matches iii. Superior points gained in matches between the teams in question iv. Superior goal difference in matches between the teams in question The ADL reserve the right to order a ‘play off’ match(es) at any time to determine the ranking at the completion of the league season should (a) to (d) above result in equality.

3. INTERNATIONAL DUTY a) In the event of a club having two or more players selected to represent their National Association representative team(s), in matches recognised by the FIFA International Calendar, they shall be permitted to request a postponement of their scheduled fixture during the period of release in respect of such International Duty. Furthermore, a club whose goalkeeper is selected for such International Duty shall also be permitted to request a postponement due to the specialist position. b) In the event of a club having three or more players selected and/or on standby to represent their National Association representative team(s) in matches not recognised on the FIFA International Calendar or Development and Schools FA squads, they shall be permitted to request a postponement of their scheduled fixture during the period of release in respect of such International Duty. Furthermore, a club whose goalkeeper is selected for such International Duty shall also be permitted to request a postponement due to the specialist position.

4. SUBSTITUTE PLAYERS a) In all AL games a club may at its discretion use five substitute players at any time in any match, except to replace a player who has been dismissed from the game by the Referee. The substitutions can be made in accordance with Law 3 of the Laws of the Game. b) At U-16 & U-18 rolling substitutes are permissible

5. NIFL Player Registration/Eligibility Guidelines a) All players must be registered in accordance with the IFA Professional Game Player Registration Regulations and the NIFL Player Registration Regulations b) To be eligible for U-20 AL players must be registered between 10th June and midnight 31 August or 1 January and midnight 31 January c) To be eligible for U-18 & U-16 AL players must be registered between 10th June and midnight on 31st October or from 1st January until midnight on 31st January d) Professional players are not permitted to play in the ADL U-18 & U-16 divisions e) To be eligible all players must be registered with the senior team which is a member of the NIFL


- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

https://www.nifootballleague.com/academy-league-u18/table

https://www.nifootballleague.com/images/documents/NIFLAcademyLeagueRules1920.pdf

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Just noticed the usual Derby Rival matches on boxing day are missing.  I am managing Glentoran and I am playing Ballymena on boxing day when it should be Glentoran Vs Linfield and Ballymena should be playing Coleraine... etc etc

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First of all, before I start pointing out issues I'd like to thank those that have worked on N.I. and I appreciate some of the things which were added such as the correct squad registration rules for the DBP. The correct Reserve league rules and the omission of Lurgan Celtic after their expulsion from the 3rd division. I also like that the Europa League playoff has been correctly implemented and when the league has 4 participants in Europe returns. However, there remain some issues in the database.

- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.

1) NIFL Championship / PIL Development League format is completely wrong and leads to a ridiculous 57 games being played.

2) As @Bannside of Killowen mentions, yet again there are no youth competitions which means no competitive games for the youth unless playing in the UEFA Youth League.

3) The names given to the post split groups in the DBP are incorrect.

- State how you think it should be working.

1) The current season NIFL Championship / PIL Development League should comprise of 15 teams playing each other twice home and away for a total of 28 games.

2) I think it's already been covered but I'd add this point. If you can't get the format of the reserve and youth leagues correct can we please just have the generic formats that existed in FM18 for the top 2 divisions. I'm willing to sacrifice authenticity in this respect to have working leagues out of the box especially this season where the development pathway has become an important aspect of the game. If there are no competitive fixtures for U18 players to play in then it kind of breaks the game. They won't be good enough for 1st team football so will only play friendlies which doesn't really develop players. The correct rules can also be added to the generic formats. U20s (Reserves) can select 5 overage players whereas U18s can select 3 overage players provided they are 20 or younger.

3) The top 6 should be called 'Section A' and the bottom 6 should be called 'Section B'

- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

1) https://www.nifootballleague.com/championship-pil-development/table

2) https://www.nifootballleague.com/academy-league-u18/table

3) https://www.nifootballleague.com/images/documents/NIFLPremiership1920.pdf

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On 04/11/2019 at 03:01, Bannside of Killowen said:

The same issue as last year, for Northern Ireland Charity Shield it has the The Oval, Eastbourne instead The Oval, Belfast  

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Thanks for this - don't know how it has happened again but it's under review.

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Some of the Regional FA Cups are not loaded except Steel & Sons Cup and County Antrim Shield - North East Ulster Football Association 

Bob Radcliffe Memorial Cup - Mid-Ulster Football Association

William Craig Memorial Cup - North West of Ireland Football Association.

North West Senior Cup - North West of Ireland Football Association.

George Wilson Memorial Cup - Reserve/U20  for NIFL Premiership, NIFL Championship,  NIFL Premier Intermediate League

George Wilson Cup 2018/2019 Results

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On 31/10/2019 at 20:26, Bannside of Killowen said:

- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.   

Currently no U18 league 


- State how you think it should be working.

As per Northern Ireland Football League Rules (NIFL AL Rules – Season 2019/20)

1. The Annual Subscription for each division; i. U-20 is included within the Premiership membership fee ii. Shall be £150 per team in U-18 & U-16 c)

2. . U-18 & U-16 AL shall both consist of a minimum of 12 and a maximum of 14 teams who shall play each other on two occasions (1 ‘home’ and 1 ‘away’)

3. 4. RANKING OF TEAMS a) Teams shall be awarded 3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw and 0 points for a defeat. At the end of the AL Championship the club scoring the largest number of points shall be declared the champion club of the league. In the case of equality of points teams shall be ranked in accordance with the following criteria: i. Goal difference (Goals scored less goals conceded in all matches) ii. Goals scored in all matches iii. Superior points gained in matches between the teams in question iv. Superior goal difference in matches between the teams in question The ADL reserve the right to order a ‘play off’ match(es) at any time to determine the ranking at the completion of the league season should (a) to (d) above result in equality.

3. INTERNATIONAL DUTY a) In the event of a club having two or more players selected to represent their National Association representative team(s), in matches recognised by the FIFA International Calendar, they shall be permitted to request a postponement of their scheduled fixture during the period of release in respect of such International Duty. Furthermore, a club whose goalkeeper is selected for such International Duty shall also be permitted to request a postponement due to the specialist position. b) In the event of a club having three or more players selected and/or on standby to represent their National Association representative team(s) in matches not recognised on the FIFA International Calendar or Development and Schools FA squads, they shall be permitted to request a postponement of their scheduled fixture during the period of release in respect of such International Duty. Furthermore, a club whose goalkeeper is selected for such International Duty shall also be permitted to request a postponement due to the specialist position.

4. SUBSTITUTE PLAYERS a) In all AL games a club may at its discretion use five substitute players at any time in any match, except to replace a player who has been dismissed from the game by the Referee. The substitutions can be made in accordance with Law 3 of the Laws of the Game. b) At U-16 & U-18 rolling substitutes are permissible

5. NIFL Player Registration/Eligibility Guidelines a) All players must be registered in accordance with the IFA Professional Game Player Registration Regulations and the NIFL Player Registration Regulations b) To be eligible for U-20 AL players must be registered between 10th June and midnight 31 August or 1 January and midnight 31 January c) To be eligible for U-18 & U-16 AL players must be registered between 10th June and midnight on 31st October or from 1st January until midnight on 31st January d) Professional players are not permitted to play in the ADL U-18 & U-16 divisions e) To be eligible all players must be registered with the senior team which is a member of the NIFL


- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

https://www.nifootballleague.com/academy-league-u18/table

https://www.nifootballleague.com/images/documents/NIFLAcademyLeagueRules1920.pdf

 

On 04/11/2019 at 10:52, pheelf said:

First of all, before I start pointing out issues I'd like to thank those that have worked on N.I. and I appreciate some of the things which were added such as the correct squad registration rules for the DBP. The correct Reserve league rules and the omission of Lurgan Celtic after their expulsion from the 3rd division. I also like that the Europa League playoff has been correctly implemented and when the league has 4 participants in Europe returns. However, there remain some issues in the database.

- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.

1) NIFL Championship / PIL Development League format is completely wrong and leads to a ridiculous 57 games being played.

2) As @Bannside of Killowen mentions, yet again there are no youth competitions which means no competitive games for the youth unless playing in the UEFA Youth League.

3) The names given to the post split groups in the DBP are incorrect.

- State how you think it should be working.

1) The current season NIFL Championship / PIL Development League should comprise of 15 teams playing each other twice home and away for a total of 28 games.

2) I think it's already been covered but I'd add this point. If you can't get the format of the reserve and youth leagues correct can we please just have the generic formats that existed in FM18 for the top 2 divisions. I'm willing to sacrifice authenticity in this respect to have working leagues out of the box especially this season where the development pathway has become an important aspect of the game. If there are no competitive fixtures for U18 players to play in then it kind of breaks the game. They won't be good enough for 1st team football so will only play friendlies which doesn't really develop players. The correct rules can also be added to the generic formats. U20s (Reserves) can select 5 overage players whereas U18s can select 3 overage players provided they are 20 or younger.

3) The top 6 should be called 'Section A' and the bottom 6 should be called 'Section B'

- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

1) https://www.nifootballleague.com/championship-pil-development/table

2) https://www.nifootballleague.com/academy-league-u18/table

3) https://www.nifootballleague.com/images/documents/NIFLPremiership1920.pdf

Thanks guys - We've been waiting for a response from the HR regarding the Reserve/Youth Leagues which hasn't happened. We are looking into adding an U18 league even if it is generic for now - I agree they just need to be playing some actual games. 

For now we'll also reduce the 57 game League down to 38 games. 

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I think there is an issue with the squad registration in the top division. As per NIFL rules, the squad is a max of 20 (this is replicated in FM2020) however, under 20's do not needed to be included in this (also replicated in FM2020) however home grown at club players, also do not need to be registered even if over 20. This is not replicated. 

 

 

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23 hours ago, icemetallica8 said:

I think there is an issue with the squad registration in the top division. As per NIFL rules, the squad is a max of 20 (this is replicated in FM2020) however, under 20's do not needed to be included in this (also replicated in FM2020) however home grown at club players, also do not need to be registered even if over 20. This is not replicated. 

 

 

 

Folks, please ignore- not the case, just not detailed in the league rules. 

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16 hours ago, icemetallica8 said:

 

Folks, please ignore- not the case, just not detailed in the league rules. 

Thanks @icemetallica8 for double checking. Probably could be detailed in the league rules in all honesty. 

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In my current save there are no games scheduled for 10/08/19 when in real life there was fixtures on that day. 
I also have a game on 20/08/19 when I click on the schedule tab and fixtures it is showing as having two games on the same day both V Glentoran at the same time

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1 hour ago, Connor1997 said:

I also have a game on 20/08/19 when I click on the schedule tab and fixtures it is showing as having two games on the same day both V Glentoran at the same time

Hey @Connor1997 - which league are you managing in? The Danske Bank Premiership I assume? 

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7 hours ago, Christopher Lewis said:

Hey @Connor1997 - which league are you managing in? The Danske Bank Premiership I assume? 

Hello, yes it was the Danske bank Premiership. It’s the same issue as above

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On 09/11/2019 at 20:26, McPimP1987 said:

image.thumb.png.25149f4e9ee34510b24bcc23782ec44b.pngScheduling issue. Seem to have the same fixture scheduled twice on one day. 

 

On 09/11/2019 at 21:48, Connor1997 said:

Hello, yes it was the Danske bank Premiership. It’s the same issue as above

Could either of you (preferably both) please upload your save game to the cloud? Thanks. 

 

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On 11/11/2019 at 17:26, Christopher Lewis said:

 

Could either of you (preferably both) please upload your save game to the cloud? Thanks. 

 

Hey,while u didnt ask from me,i found the same problem as u can see:81.thumb.png.cb690650e449262015472927ed6ed7d3.png

save uploaded:"Dream Maestro - Glenavon.fm"

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5 hours ago, Masterfries26 said:

Hey,while u didnt ask from me,i found the same problem as u can see:81.thumb.png.cb690650e449262015472927ed6ed7d3.png

save uploaded:"Dream Maestro - Glenavon.fm"

Thanks @Masterfries26 - passed this example on to the UI team for them to address. 

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2 minutes ago, Bannside of Killowen said:

Just got this in my inbox 

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There's an outstanding bug where a bit of code in the European Football competition isn't always keeping teams in the same nation apart. It's being worked on. 

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Currently in July 2022 however league fixtures have not been generated for the 22/23 season (only cup fixtures). Seems to be due to a final not being played which decides European places. I was managing in the 2nd tier so didn't notice so don't have a save that predates the semi finals played in May. Anyone else came across this issue?

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50 minutes ago, GaryMc93 said:

Currently in July 2022 however league fixtures have not been generated for the 22/23 season (only cup fixtures). Seems to be due to a final not being played which decides European places. I was managing in the 2nd tier so didn't notice so don't have a save that predates the semi finals played in May. Anyone else came across this issue?

Hey @GaryMc93 - Can you upload the save afterwards? Thanks. 

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50 minutes ago, Christopher Lewis said:

Hey @GaryMc93 - Can you upload the save afterwards? Thanks. 

Hi I've uploaded it with the file name "No Fixtures N.Ireland 2022-23.fm"

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@GaryMc93 - We think this is caused by club vision code changing the competition in a fixture name. If you look at the fixtures of Glenavon in your save, you'll see how the Euro Places Final has changed name. It's already logged to be fixed in an update. 

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5 hours ago, Christopher Lewis said:

@GaryMc93 - We think this is caused by club vision code changing the competition in a fixture name. If you look at the fixtures of Glenavon in your save, you'll see how the Euro Places Final has changed name. It's already logged to be fixed in an update. 

Appreciate the reply 

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Hello, hopefully I've come to the correct place for this.

(Assumed) Problem: In the Premier Intermediate League, the final day fixture is scheduled just under two months after the penultimate game of the season. All bar one divisional rival have a game in hand, they also wait over a month but play their games in hand two weeks before the overall final fixtures.

How It Should Work: Self explanatory I'd say, shouldn't be such a long gap.

More Detail: Playing in the third tier as Lisburn Distillery, by 1st March 2020 we've played 19 of 20 league fixtures but the final day fixture isn't to be played until 25 April 2020 - which is pretty ridiculous, seven weekly friendlies have had to be scheduled to fill the gap. All except us and Portstewart have a game in hand, they also have to wait but will play their extra match on 11 April 2020 - two weeks before the final day of the campaign. What a mess.

I checked Bangor's real life schedule on their website, and games are scheduled fairly consistently through March and April.

Save File Title: Rafael Jádson -2 Unemployed.fm

Screenshots:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/781869206457514962/D615D264C71E783BD64AE3451F2873C784AE689D/

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17 hours ago, r96skinner said:

Hello, hopefully I've come to the correct place for this.

(Assumed) Problem: In the Premier Intermediate League, the final day fixture is scheduled just under two months after the penultimate game of the season. All bar one divisional rival have a game in hand, they also wait over a month but play their games in hand two weeks before the overall final fixtures.

How It Should Work: Self explanatory I'd say, shouldn't be such a long gap.

More Detail: Playing in the third tier as Lisburn Distillery, by 1st March 2020 we've played 19 of 20 league fixtures but the final day fixture isn't to be played until 25 April 2020 - which is pretty ridiculous, seven weekly friendlies have had to be scheduled to fill the gap. All except us and Portstewart have a game in hand, they also have to wait but will play their extra match on 11 April 2020 - two weeks before the final day of the campaign. What a mess.

I checked Bangor's real life schedule on their website, and games are scheduled fairly consistently through March and April.

Save File Title: Rafael Jádson -2 Unemployed.fm

Screenshots:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/781869206457514962/D615D264C71E783BD64AE3451F2873C784AE689D/

0B40D5D717FFB907FC20A367389F2E3877FAA474

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Thanks - Not sure why it wouldn't schedule anything this month as I don't think we've really changed anything in this league. It's under review. 

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10 hours ago, Christopher Lewis said:

Thanks - Not sure why it wouldn't schedule anything this month as I don't think we've really changed anything in this league. It's under review. 

At a pure guess, maybe it's something to do with Lurgan Celtic's withdrawal irl? Hence why the PIL only has 11 teams, as opposed to the 'usual' 12. Perhaps that messed with something? Probably not, so I'll leave it to the pros to figure out.:D

Edited by r96skinner
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15 hours ago, r96skinner said:

At a pure guess, maybe it's something to do with Lurgan Celtic's withdrawal irl? Hence why the PIL only has 11 teams, as opposed to the 'usual' 12. Perhaps that messed with something? Probably not, so I'll leave it to the pros to figure out.:D

Sounds like a plausible reason but the code should still be able to cope. It's with a member of the coding team to check out now anyway. 

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