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Please post any specific issues for Peru competitions here. This is for any issue which does not relate to data and is for areas such as:

- Competition Rules (Leagues and Cups)
- Disciplinary Rules
- Transfer Rules

We would request you all to adhere to the following three point plan when posting in here:

- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.
- State how you think it should be working.
- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

Please note that specific data issues for Peru should be posted in the Database and Research Issues forum.

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The newest cup competition in Peru Copa Bicentenario isn't in the reputation ranking of cup competitions in South America

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On 31/10/2019 at 21:03, VoidVector said:

The newest cup competition in Peru Copa Bicentenario isn't in the reputation ranking of cup competitions in South America

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Thanks @VoidVector for raising this - Excellent spot. 

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Peruvian League has a point deduction rule if Under 20 and Under 22 players dont play an especific amount of time, In one season I did play the U20 and it still shows as I havent accomplished it. My goalkeeper has played 10 games, and 2 midfielders played more than 5, and it shows I accomplished only "67 minutes in 11 matches" which isn't true. 

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Edit: Just finished the league, I won Torneo Clausura, and still this: 

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9 hours ago, Jose243210 said:

Peruvian League has a point deduction rule if Under 20 and Under 22 players dont play an especific amount of time, In one season I did play the U20 and it still shows as I havent accomplished it. My goalkeeper has played 10 games, and 2 midfielders played more than 5, and it shows I accomplished only "67 minutes in 11 matches" which isn't true. 

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Edit: Just finished the league, I won Torneo Clausura, and still this: 

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Hey @Jose243210 - Do you have a save game Before the final game? Thanks. 

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6 hours ago, Christopher Lewis said:

Hey @Jose243210 - Do you have a save game Before the final game? Thanks. 

I do, I saved it before the final game and after the final game. Just in case there was a fix before ruining my season. 

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8 minutes ago, Jose243210 said:

I do, I saved it before the final game and after the final game. Just in case there was a fix before ruining my season. 

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/bec3a77bb07d3d138a6d1c4d80ea2bf620191109191630/811c26058665a7694865c105b00f117320191109191630/dcbb00

That's the link for the save file in case you need it.

I dont know if this can be fixed in real time as I dont want to throw my season away. Thanks in advance

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On 09/11/2019 at 19:26, Jose243210 said:

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/bec3a77bb07d3d138a6d1c4d80ea2bf620191109191630/811c26058665a7694865c105b00f117320191109191630/dcbb00

That's the link for the save file in case you need it.

I dont know if this can be fixed in real time as I dont want to throw my season away. Thanks in advance

Thanks @Jose243210 - in the first half of the season, was the U22 and U20 minute counter working properly? 

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14 minutes ago, Christopher Lewis said:

Thanks @Jose243210 - in the first half of the season, was the U22 and U20 minute counter working properly? 

I lost 24 points as well, but I used the U20's in only one match so im not sure if it worked well or not. Is there a fix or something?

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So I'm playing Peruvian tournament 2019, I won Torneo Apertura and ended up first in the general table, so I go directly to the final. The problem is I chose to play away first and then home for the final. The game has automatically set TWO matches away and one home for the playoff, which makes no sense. I don't know how to upload the image.

 

 

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On 11/11/2019 at 12:32, Jose243210 said:

I lost 24 points as well, but I used the U20's in only one match so im not sure if it worked well or not. Is there a fix or something?

@Christopher Lewis could you find any fix for that?

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On ‎18‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 21:24, Jose243210 said:

@Christopher Lewis could you find any fix for that?

Hello, can you just confirm, how many minutes did U20 players play in your season?  It should like if you only used U20s in one match you are breaking the rule and the points deduction is legitimate.

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5 hours ago, Dan Ormsby said:

Hello, can you just confirm, how many minutes did U20 players play in your season?  It should like if you only used U20s in one match you are breaking the rule and the points deduction is legitimate.

Hello, a lot, i don't know how many, I uploaded my save you can see I used Massimo Sandi (u20 goalkeeper) in more than 15 matches so it should be okay. What's the error here? Please I want to continue that save so I would be really grateful if there's a solution

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On 20/11/2019 at 21:36, Jose243210 said:

Hello, a lot, i don't know how many, I uploaded my save you can see I used Massimo Sandi (u20 goalkeeper) in more than 15 matches so it should be okay. What's the error here? Please I want to continue that save so I would be really grateful if there's a solution

I can't repeat this problem at all. I've done a whole season in this league making sure I followed the rules and I can't repeat this in a new save. I'll keep investigating though. 

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Configs for Liga 1 (First Division) aren't correct at all. In original data, it is always played with 18 teams, but in 2020 it will be played with 20 teams, then back to 18 teams in 2021.

BTW, I'm having valid year bugs when trying to do this XD

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12 hours ago, Tonao said:

Configs for Liga 1 (First Division) aren't correct at all. In original data, it is always played with 18 teams, but in 2020 it will be played with 20 teams, then back to 18 teams in 2021.

BTW, I'm having valid year bugs when trying to do this XD

We're clarifying this with the Researcher. Thanks. 

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Peruvian league also have the problem with minimum wages, we can't offer contracts less than 100 pounds/week, unless the player is already in and it is a renew. Minimum wages at Peru is 49 pounds/week

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I'm having a minute counter problem too. I noticed that I mostly play players that are under-20 but not under-22 (between 16 and 20) and my under-20 counter goes up as it should but the under-22 doesn't. I only have one play that is over 20 but under-22 and everytime I play him the counter for under-22 goes up.

So what I think it's happening is that the counters are considering points for two different groups (16 to 20 and 20 to 22) and the minutes of the under-20 players should count for the under-22 but it's not working. Will there be a fix that can be applied for my save or will I have to make another one? I really don't wanna trash all my effort in  this save.

I couldn't work the cloud to upload my save so I used mediafire

http://www.mediafire.com/file/yglfkmbmfo0r7wv/Gonzalo_Bueno_-_Cienciano.fm/file

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6 hours ago, Gbueno said:

I'm having a minute counter problem too. I noticed that I mostly play players that are under-20 but not under-22 (between 16 and 20) and my under-20 counter goes up as it should but the under-22 doesn't. I only have one play that is over 20 but under-22 and everytime I play him the counter for under-22 goes up.

So what I think it's happening is that the counters are considering points for two different groups (16 to 20 and 20 to 22) and the minutes of the under-20 players should count for the under-22 but it's not working. Will there be a fix that can be applied for my save or will I have to make another one? I really don't wanna trash all my effort in  this save.

I couldn't work the cloud to upload my save so I used mediafire

http://www.mediafire.com/file/yglfkmbmfo0r7wv/Gonzalo_Bueno_-_Cienciano.fm/file

I previously raised this early in the cycle, and unless there has been a miscommunication, what you describe is working as intended.  The two groups are separate and you need to fulfil both quotas.

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Posted (edited)

Just wondering if someone can help me explain this extremely weird rules in the Peruvian Copa Movistar League:)

I won both the apertura (opening table) and the clausura( end/second half table) I think this is a bug in the game cause i am pretty sure if you win both apertura and clausura you are autmatically the league champion. But the rules in fm dond explain any of this so here comes the next question.

I then end up in the play-off final against Allianza Lima who won the semi final. 

 I loose my first away game in the play off 2-1 away to Allianza and then it says they have a 3-0 aggregate lead?? I win 1-0 at home which then i suppose should make me the winner at away goals and 2-2 aggregate but it ends up to 3-3 aggregate and Allianza wins?  

This is "ok" cause the league rules says a win is threated as 3 points and a draw 1 point which means away goals dont count. But the weird part is that i win 1-0 home which then should make it 3-3 aggregate and as the rules says, with a draw we will play another/ a 3rd final game at neutral ground to decide the winner. So is this a bug or what? if anyone can explain it would be much appreciated. 

And also why am i getting 2 extra points at the end of the season and another teams who finishes 10th at the "total" table gets 1 extra point??

 

Is this a bug or what?

 

 

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On 11/04/2020 at 16:57, Llainen said:

Just wondering if someone can help me explain this extremely weird rules in the Peruvian Copa Movistar League:)

I won both the apertura (opening table) and the clausura( end/second half table) I think this is a bug in the game cause i am pretty sure if you win both apertura and clausura you are autmatically the league champion. But the rules in fm dond explain any of this so here comes the next question.

I then end up in the play-off final against Allianza Lima who won the semi final. 

 I loose my first away game in the play off 2-1 away to Allianza and then it says they have a 3-0 aggregate lead?? I win 1-0 at home which then i suppose should make me the winner at away goals and 2-2 aggregate but it ends up to 3-3 aggregate and Allianza wins?  

This is "ok" cause the league rules says a win is threated as 3 points and a draw 1 point which means away goals dont count. But the weird part is that i win 1-0 home which then should make it 3-3 aggregate and as the rules says, with a draw we will play another/ a 3rd final game at neutral ground to decide the winner. So is this a bug or what? if anyone can explain it would be much appreciated. 

And also why am i getting 2 extra points at the end of the season and another teams who finishes 10th at the "total" table gets 1 extra point??

 

Is this a bug or what?

 

 

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Hi, we have tried our very best to represent all the rules of the Peruvian First Division on the rules screen, but you'd pretty much need to attach a 50 page manual if you were going to explain absolutely everything.

The "i" icons on the league table on the rules screen should offer most information on permutations for qualifying for the champions playoff.  The information is included here that if a team wins both the Apertura and Clausura there is no Champions playoff.  So that sounds like it might be a bug if you are getting a Champions playoff anyway.  If you provided us a save from before this happened, ideally before you win the Clausura, that would be extremely helpful.

The second thing with the odd aggregate score also sounds like a bug, but I am convinced we fixed this.

The third thing with the extra points is to do with teams winning the reserve leagues.  I can't remember the exact criteria but this should be explained on the screen that shows the reserves league table at the conclusion of a season and I thought also somewhere on the rules page, but perhaps not.  Either way, this is highly likely to be working as intended, even if an explanation of the rule isn't in a completely obvious place.

Finally, the two bugs you do seem to be experiencing might be caused by editor files / a custom DB (if you are using one?) as I am sure we fixed both issues.  But either way providing saves to us would be helpful.  Thanks.

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@Dan Ormsby - experienced the same bug in which I won both the Apertura and Clausura and there still is a championship playoff.  One thing to mention is that I am playing this on FM Touch (so sorry, for posting it here, but the Touch never gets much attention and it seems more to me a league bug than one specific to the type of game) - if you feel like it would be better please transfer it to the respective forum. It's pretty deal breaker for me and probably going to make me quit the save.

I have uploaded the save on your ownCloud under the name Peru2.fmt

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On 14/04/2020 at 14:16, Dan Ormsby said:

Hi, we have tried our very best to represent all the rules of the Peruvian First Division on the rules screen, but you'd pretty much need to attach a 50 page manual if you were going to explain absolutely everything.

The "i" icons on the league table on the rules screen should offer most information on permutations for qualifying for the champions playoff.  The information is included here that if a team wins both the Apertura and Clausura there is no Champions playoff.  So that sounds like it might be a bug if you are getting a Champions playoff anyway.  If you provided us a save from before this happened, ideally before you win the Clausura, that would be extremely helpful.

The second thing with the odd aggregate score also sounds like a bug, but I am convinced we fixed this.

The third thing with the extra points is to do with teams winning the reserve leagues.  I can't remember the exact criteria but this should be explained on the screen that shows the reserves league table at the conclusion of a season and I thought also somewhere on the rules page, but perhaps not.  Either way, this is highly likely to be working as intended, even if an explanation of the rule isn't in a completely obvious place.

Finally, the two bugs you do seem to be experiencing might be caused by editor files / a custom DB (if you are using one?) as I am sure we fixed both issues.  But either way providing saves to us would be helpful.  Thanks.

I have uploaded the file under the name "Andreas *****- Universitario.Fm

 

I have no Database or editors in my game or anything different from the base game except som facepacks so it is a bug yes. Thank you for your time and explaining! the bonus points system is something i would never figure out alone!!

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Hi i have also had the same happen to me. 

Won the opening and closing stage in both seasons and had to play a play off. In the second season i lost the first leg 1-0 but won the second leg 2-0 and my opponents were declared champions?? No third game at a neutral venue, just them as champions. Any idea on how i can fix this as altho the board havent sacked me its pretty game breaking for me

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1 hour ago, pezza96 said:

Hi i have also had the same happen to me. 

Won the opening and closing stage in both seasons and had to play a play off. In the second season i lost the first leg 1-0 but won the second leg 2-0 and my opponents were declared champions?? No third game at a neutral venue, just them as champions. Any idea on how i can fix this as altho the board havent sacked me its pretty game breaking for me

Do you have a save file just before the final game of the closing stage? If so could you please upload it to the SI Cloud server and we will take a more in depth look at this issue.

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6 minutes ago, Sebastian Szlenkier said:

Do you have a save file just before the final game of the closing stage? If so could you please upload it to the SI Cloud server and we will take a more in depth look at this issue.

Unfortunately not :( id taken autosave off so i only have a save file the day after the play off final second leg

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1 minute ago, pezza96 said:

Unfortunately not :( id taken autosave off so i only have a save file the day after the play off final second leg

If you upload that save file in that case we'll take a look at it

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10 minutes ago, Sebastian Szlenkier said:

If you upload that save file in that case we'll take a look at it

I have uploaded the file (alexismontes.fmf) to the cloud server

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1 hour ago, Sebastian Szlenkier said:

If you upload that save file in that case we'll take a look at it

Do you think this will be fixable, or would you recommend starting a new save?

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20 hours ago, pezza96 said:

I have uploaded the file (alexismontes.fmf) to the cloud server

Thank you very much, this is now under review. This isn't something we've come across before. Since there are no editor files within your save game this is quite surprising. This is now logged and under review but it shouldn't happen again as this is not something we've come across before. I know you said you had autosaves off but do you happen to have any save files at all earlier within the season?

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14 minutes ago, Sebastian Szlenkier said:

Thank you very much, this is now under review. This isn't something we've come across before. Since there are no editor files within your save game this is quite surprising. This is now logged and under review but it shouldn't happen again as this is not something we've come across before. I know you said you had autosaves off but do you happen to have any save files at all earlier within the season?

Im afraid i do not (a mistake on my part or else id have just replayed the final) in season 1 i also won both stages and there was no play off, however i drew and won the 2 legged final so i guess the issue didnt occur

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Do you know if there is any way i can change this in game, as i dont want to carry on when i won the title

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Sadly not, but we will look into the issue in any way we can (although it is quite hard without a previous save). We will let you know if we have any further information.

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7 minutes ago, Sebastian Szlenkier said:

Sadly not, but we will look into the issue in any way we can (although it is quite hard without a previous save). We will let you know if we have any further information.

No worries, thanks for your help :)

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I had an issue with the Peruvian playoff final in FM19 where the game wrongly awarded the title to my opponents because it allocated my first leg victory to the opposition when calculating aggregate score, apparently because it scheduled both games at my stadium and calculated the home team in the second leg should be chasing the goals scored by the home team in the first leg.

This could be a variant of that [which was reported at the time so you probably have the saves somewhere]

 

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I also have the same problem with the incorrect aggregate score in the Peruvian League. First it happened with the senior team, but I would've lost the play-off on away goals anyway, so I just shrugged it off and moved on. But now a week later my reserves team had the same thing happen. Take a look at some of the screenshots below.

First leg, Cristal - Universitario 2-1 (shows agg. score 3-0)

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Second leg, Universitario - Cristal 3-2 (shows agg. score 3-5, should've been 4-4, with Cristal winning on away goals)

Also, note how on the left side of the overview screen it shows the agg. score as 3-3 (incorrect), while the right side shows the agg. score of 3-5 (also incorrect). 

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The reserves competition is curious in its own ways. Universitario won both the opening and the closing stage, which I believe means that they should be crowned champions without the play-offs? I'm not sure, honestly, if this rule applies to the reserves competition or not. On the rules tab, it only shows that 1st place of each stage qualifies for the play-offs, but what if it's the same team? Doesn't say.

Moving on. Both semifinal ties were correct! Note that after the first leg, the game did not show aggregate score next to the actual match score. Maybe that's where the bug lives? 

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Second leg, everything looks good. 

 

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And then the final. The same thing that happened with the senior team happens here as well. 

 

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I DO use custom data packs, so my save file is probably of little use to you, but I uploaded it just in case (Peru Universitario.fm). The save is just before the reserves final match.

 

 

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