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On 19/11/2019 at 22:19, llama3 said:

@Dan Ormsbylooking at the Arsenal finances:

  • Some of the income is not labelled correctly, e.g. shirt sleeve sponsor, stadium sponsor are not labelled
  • The finances do not look like they have been updated to include our £60m a season Adidas deal, it's the same expiry date and value as the Puma deal (so should be £300m from 01/07/2019 to 30/06/2024)
  • Stadium Sponsorship is at approximately £2.8m a season, stepping up to £4m a season from 2021
  • I'm not sure where that £130m of non-renewing "commercial income" refers to for 2019/20. Am I missing something massive...?
  • What do the £5m, £4m and £650k "other income" refer to?

 

If I could just revisit some of these points in the wake of the recent update. The General sponsorship deal, whatever it is supposed to represent, is still set to expire in 2019 (when the game begins) and the stadium sponsor is still missing (it's "Emirates Stadium" for a reason). Also there's different sponsors for main kit and away kit? Is one of these supposed to be the sleeve sponsor? No disrespect intended I'm just confused by these as we don't have a separate away kit sponsor IRL.

Also as far as I'm aware Ken Gillard is still U18s manager, definitely as recently as the last game (https://www.arsenal.com/fixture/under-18/2020-Feb-12/norwich-city-u18-2-2-under-18-match-report). Craig Armstrong has the job in game and it's not even his main job (Scout). I've researched this before posting but I can't find anywhere that suggests the setup has changed.

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Very surprised to not see an affilation between Southampton & Hartford Athletic (USA) added in the new data update

Even Raidhi Jaidi's return from his 'secondment' isn't included. The affilation is set to increase in connections it would seem, so should be included

"The Premier League club added that the move also allows them to strengthen the identification of talented young players in the US whilst sharing knowledge and experience of young player development."

This press release for Jaidi's move surely means that there should be a scouting knowledge/young player affiliation?

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/11/08/southampton-fans-react-radhi-jaidi-hartford-secondment/

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17 hours ago, daspindocta said:

If I could just revisit some of these points in the wake of the recent update. The General sponsorship deal, whatever it is supposed to represent, is still set to expire in 2019 (when the game begins) and the stadium sponsor is still missing (it's "Emirates Stadium" for a reason). Also there's different sponsors for main kit and away kit? Is one of these supposed to be the sleeve sponsor? No disrespect intended I'm just confused by these as we don't have a separate away kit sponsor IRL.

Also as far as I'm aware Ken Gillard is still U18s manager, definitely as recently as the last game (https://www.arsenal.com/fixture/under-18/2020-Feb-12/norwich-city-u18-2-2-under-18-match-report). Craig Armstrong has the job in game and it's not even his main job (Scout). I've researched this before posting but I can't find anywhere that suggests the setup has changed.

Ken Gillard is 100% U18s manager in the final file I submitted.  If that's going wrong I reckon something weird is going on game-side rather than this being a data issue unless for some reason this has been changed in the master DB.

Finances would be a question for Pete to answer.

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On 27/01/2020 at 14:44, Dan Ormsby said:

I'll be making some changes to Martinelli before submitting my final file, based on his performances this season.  I think I have now seen enough of him in a first team setting to give him a fixed PA.  I'm afraid I can't reveal dates for any update at this point. 

Very surprised at the low fixed PA he has received, surely a -9 would have been better suited for him? 

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21 minutes ago, toby14 said:

Very surprised at the low fixed PA he has received, surely a -9 would have been better suited for him? 

It's not low.  And he has definitely played enough first team football to warrant a fixed PA now. Don't want to be talking about exact PA amounts in a public forum, but what I have set allows him to become a star Premier League striker if he hits that PA.  Can we please stop comments on this now, this is a bugs forum.  What I have set as Martinelli's PA is not a bug.

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4 hours ago, Dan Ormsby said:

Ken Gillard is 100% U18s manager in the final file I submitted.  If that's going wrong I reckon something weird is going on game-side rather than this being a data issue unless for some reason this has been changed in the master DB.

Finances would be a question for Pete to answer.

In that case something's definitely going wrong somewhere. Where do I report this?

CraigArmstrong.jpg

KenGillard.jpg

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5 minutes ago, daspindocta said:

In that case something's definitely going wrong somewhere. Where do I report this?

CraigArmstrong.jpg

KenGillard.jpg

Have checked and for some reason Craig Armstrong has a second job as U18s manager in the DB.  I definitely didn't set this myself.  Will check in with Pete and get this changed.  Thanks.

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Ziyech's future transfer hasn't made it into the update. 

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On 22/02/2020 at 19:43, tajj7 said:

Ziyech's future transfer hasn't made it into the update. 

It wasn’t officially confirmed until last night, was it? 

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Cheers. That has only just been announced though so they’re not data issues. 

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Looks like Tanganga hasn’t received an upgrade? Is this intentional?

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On 25/02/2020 at 16:13, lbowman6 said:

Liam Smith (Kilmarnock - Man City) is missing in the database.

Can Man City/Kilmarnock researcher confirm?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51009614

It would also appear they have signed Yan Couto

https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/25/man-city-beat-arsenal-barcelona-signing-yan-couto-12298698/

The BBC article has his age wrong, he turned 16 during this season, so as an U16 he's too young for this years game.

I sent Yan through as a future transfer before the last update, he joins when he turns 18 in June.

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On 29/02/2020 at 13:29, Sean Blinkhorn said:

The BBC article has his age wrong, he turned 16 during this season, so as an U16 he's too young for this years game.

I sent Yan through as a future transfer before the last update, he joins when he turns 18 in June.

@Pete Sottrel @Sean BlinkhornNope - 16 year old Liam Smith definitely is already in game at Kilmarnock - ID 61098189

Edited by lbowman6

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Posted (edited)

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, @DaveAzzopardi. I’m into the 2022/23 season in my current save with the original FM20 and the Wolves job has become available. When viewing the job advert it specifically says ‘Buy Portuguese players’ which seems a bit odd for an English team, particularly as Nuno Espírito Santo is no longer the manager.

Edited by Stuniverse

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I spoke to @DaveAzzopardi on Twitter and he advised: “Hi Stuart, with the links of Wolves and Jorge Mendes, Wolves were buying plenty of Portuguese players even when Zenga and Lambert were in charge.”

Thanks, Dave. I hadn’t fully appreciated that was the situation.

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1 hour ago, Stuniverse said:

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, @DaveAzzopardi. I’m into the 2022/23 season in my current save with the original FM20 and the Wolves job has become available. When viewing the job advert it specifically says ‘Buy Portuguese players’ which seems a bit odd for an English team, particularly as Nuno Espírito Santo is no longer the manager.

The Wolves connection with Portuguese signings is through the owners' connection with a particular agent, rather than principally through Espirito Santo (Espirito Santo is a client of Mendes, and Mendes offers opinions and advice to the owners).

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On 29/02/2020 at 20:57, lbowman6 said:

@Pete Sottrel @Sean BlinkhornNope - 16 year old Liam Smith definitely is already in game at Kilmarnock - ID 61098189

Wires are crossed here somewhere if he is in the game.

He, according to this Athletic article (and his transfermarkt profile FWIW) turned 16 in October 2019, making this his U16 season. (Meaning he has not left school until this coming summer, and isn't eligible to be in FM20)
https://theathletic.co.uk/1518657/2020/01/09/manchester-city-liam-smith-kilmarnock-interview/

Seen as in this has direct quotes from the lad himself I have leaned towards this being the most accurate source available. Maybe Scotland has different rules or I'm missing something but this is my reasoning.

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9 minutes ago, Sean Blinkhorn said:

Wires are crossed here somewhere if he is in the game.

He, according to this Athletic article (and his transfermarkt profile FWIW) turned 16 in October 2019, making this his U16 season. (Meaning he has not left school until this coming summer, and isn't eligible to be in FM20)
https://theathletic.co.uk/1518657/2020/01/09/manchester-city-liam-smith-kilmarnock-interview/

Seen as in this has direct quotes from the lad himself I have leaned towards this being the most accurate source available. Maybe Scotland has different rules or I'm missing something but this is my reasoning.

May as well move him to the correct team if he is already in game :)

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18 hours ago, Sean Blinkhorn said:

Wires are crossed here somewhere if he is in the game.

He, according to this Athletic article (and his transfermarkt profile FWIW) turned 16 in October 2019, making this his U16 season. (Meaning he has not left school until this coming summer, and isn't eligible to be in FM20)
https://theathletic.co.uk/1518657/2020/01/09/manchester-city-liam-smith-kilmarnock-interview/

Seen as in this has direct quotes from the lad himself I have leaned towards this being the most accurate source available. Maybe Scotland has different rules or I'm missing something but this is my reasoning.

The issue seems to be that he doesn't have a set DoB in the db (as it probably wasn't known) so our Killie researcher has took a punt and gave a YoB of 2002.

His DoB is 28/10/2003, so yeah, he should probably be sent over to City now, seeing as he's in the DB, but set as NFE.

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Christopher Elderkin (28067435) has dual jobs at Man City

He is U18 Fitness Coach & U18 Sports Scientist

His linkedin has him changing from academy coach to sports scientist in Aug 2019 - so the fitness coach entry should be removed

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/chris-elderkin-78040672

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Piet de Visser ID:7482 needs his city of birth added. Should be Oost-Souburg (That info is in Wikipedia, transfermarkt, omroepzeeland, etc)

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On 03/03/2020 at 16:35, tv_capper said:

Christopher Elderkin (28067435) has dual jobs at Man City

He is U18 Fitness Coach & U18 Sports Scientist

His linkedin has him changing from academy coach to sports scientist in Aug 2019 - so the fitness coach entry should be removed

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/chris-elderkin-78040672

He title IIRC is Sports Science AND Strength & Conditioning (fitness coaching). It's a bit of a balancing act trying to weigh the jobs needed in-game, vs what their actual job titles are. Chris seems to do a lot of the on-pitch work during regular training so I consider him a coach first, SS second. The dual jobs thing seems to fit at the moment.

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4 hours ago, jbutton said:

Burnley:

 

Charlie Taylor has a 15% sell on clause for Leeds, however according to Phil Hay there is no clause as it was a free transfer.

https://twitter.com/PhilHay_/status/1235252446072578048?s=20

(Also posted this in Champ for Leeds researcher)

He was under 24 at the time though and a fee was agreed with Leeds so I'd imagine there'd be a sell on clause too. Online articles state £6-£7m so far from a free transfer

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1 minute ago, matt_neil41 said:

He was under 24 at the time though and a fee was agreed with Leeds so I'd imagine there'd be a sell on clause too. Online articles state £6-£7m so far from a free transfer

They agreed around 6m rather than go through tribunal but the question whether there is a sell on clause or not has come up due to Leicester interest and there isn't according to Phil (go to leeds journalist), haven't found any mention of it online either. 

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On 21/02/2020 at 16:32, Dan Ormsby said:

Have checked and for some reason Craig Armstrong has a second job as U18s manager in the DB.  I definitely didn't set this myself.  Will check in with Pete and get this changed.  Thanks.

Craig Armstrong is still set as Arsenal Under 18s manager so I guess I gotta fix it myself.

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Jetro Willems (Eintracht Frankfurt on loan at Newcastle United) tore an ACL on January 18th which is expected to keep him out for 6-9 months but he has no injury on today's db update. Is this deliberate or an omission?

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9 hours ago, jbutton said:

They agreed around 6m rather than go through tribunal but the question whether there is a sell on clause or not has come up due to Leicester interest and there isn't according to Phil (go to leeds journalist), haven't found any mention of it online either. 

But Phil just stated 'he left at the end of his contract' as if to say he left on a free so why would there be a sell on? The deal was negotiated and personally I'd be very surprised if Leeds negotiated a deal for a 23 year old going to a Premier League club without a sell on clause.

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6 hours ago, matt_neil41 said:

But Phil just stated 'he left at the end of his contract' as if to say he left on a free so why would there be a sell on? The deal was negotiated and personally I'd be very surprised if Leeds negotiated a deal for a 23 year old going to a Premier League club without a sell on clause.

Being surprised and what actually happened are two different things; This is Cellino we are talking about. No other source mentions a sell on fee being included but two sources (one very reputable) claim otherwise.

 

https://tbrfootball.com/massimo-cellinos-stubbornness-could-cost-leeds-united-with-charlie-taylor-wanted/

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14 minutes ago, zelll said:

No Ighalo loan to MU.

Use latest patch, it's there.

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59 minutes ago, jbutton said:

Use latest patch, it's there.

I’ve chosen 20,4 in editor, but he’s in China steel

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On 06/03/2020 at 06:46, jbutton said:

Being surprised and what actually happened are two different things; This is Cellino we are talking about. No other source mentions a sell on fee being included but two sources (one very reputable) claim otherwise.

 

https://tbrfootball.com/massimo-cellinos-stubbornness-could-cost-leeds-united-with-charlie-taylor-wanted/

The article literally states this:

Quote

But by not negotiating the sale themselves, Leeds have failed to include any sell-on clause in Taylor’s future. 

And then reality turns out to be this:

Quote

Leeds United agree fee with Burnley over Charlie Taylor move

 

So the article you have mentioned states that by NOT negotiating the sale themselves in a deal that never happened they'd fail to include a sell-on clause (which personally is probably absolute rubbish as I don't think I've ever come across a tribunal deal that doesn't include one, especially a multi million pound deal involving a Premier League club and a long term academy player at his current club).

Then the actual sale of the player was negotiated by the club (it never went to a tribunal) which goes completely against the first quote in that by doing so themselves, they'd be able to include one?

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2 minutes ago, matt_neil41 said:

The article literally states this:

And then reality turns out to be this:

 

So the article you have mentioned states that by NOT negotiating the sale themselves in a deal that never happened they'd fail to include a sell-on clause (which personally is probably absolute rubbish as I don't think I've ever come across a tribunal deal that doesn't include one, especially a multi million pound deal involving a Premier League club and a long term academy player at his current club).

Then the actual sale of the player was negotiated by the club which goes completely against the first quote in that by doing so themselves, they'd be able to include one?

Like I said, no source mentions a sell on fee. Can you show evidence there is one?  

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On 06/03/2020 at 10:40, zelll said:

I’ve chosen 20,4 in editor, but he’s in China steel

don't report issues if you don't check it before thanks

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Posted (edited)

I don't know where to put this, they're England free agents:

Tony Adams (2003258)

First international goal: 11 November 1987 vs. Yugoslavia

https://englandstats.com/player.php?pid=998

Dave Beasant (2003434)

International debut: 11 November 1989 vs. Italy

https://englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1017

John Salako (2005418)

International debut: 01 June 1991 vs. Australia

https://englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1028

Teddy Sheringham (2005486)

International debut: 29 May 1993 vs. Poland

First international goal: 08 June 1995 vs. Sweden

https://englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1048

Edited by Fran93

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Steve Stone (20005618) - Burnley

First international goal: 15 November 1995 vs. Switzerland

https://englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1070

Steve McManaman (2004891) - Liverpool

First international goal: 04 September 1999 vs. Luxembourg

Edit reasons for favourite clubs: Liverpool (supporter), Real Madrid (player)

https://englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1060

Brian Kidd (2020087) - Man City

First international goal: 24 May 1970 vs. Ecuador

https://englandstats.com/player.php?pid=865

Jason Wilcox (2005930) - Man City

International debut: 18 May 1996 vs. Hungary

https://englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1073

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Tanguy has 16 work rate and known as a hard working midfielder, his reputation already was the opposite?

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Mane should have a very good "heading" attribute. Checked up on stats, and he was the top scorer in the league last season for headers (Along with Mitrovic and Wood). This season he's in the top 10 of headed goals. You won't see him win duels in the air much, but if he gets the chance he's very lethal.

I've also mentioned previously that Gini is a very accurate header of the ball. He showed recently with a good goal against Atletico. 8 of his 24 goals in the PL are with the head.

Van Dijk is currently by far our best player in terms of heading ability in the game, but I don't think this is the case IRL. He's very strong, and very tall but his aiming leaves much to be desired. I'd argue his headed goals are more of a result of his strength and tallness than anything else. Mane and Gini seems to have much better technique in terms of aiming it where they want.

Suggestion: Mane and Gini should have the highest heading attribute in our team. Van Dijk, Matip and Gomez should have theirs lowered. Just because they're strong and tall doesn't mean they're good at heading.

...or have I completely misunderstood what the heading attribute is about? Does it also include "win a headed duel"?

 

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On 22/03/2020 at 20:41, OkMarius said:

Mane should have a very good "heading" attribute. Checked up on stats, and he was the top scorer in the league last season for headers (Along with Mitrovic and Wood). This season he's in the top 10 of headed goals. You won't see him win duels in the air much, but if he gets the chance he's very lethal.

I've also mentioned previously that Gini is a very accurate header of the ball. He showed recently with a good goal against Atletico. 8 of his 24 goals in the PL are with the head.

Van Dijk is currently by far our best player in terms of heading ability in the game, but I don't think this is the case IRL. He's very strong, and very tall but his aiming leaves much to be desired. I'd argue his headed goals are more of a result of his strength and tallness than anything else. Mane and Gini seems to have much better technique in terms of aiming it where they want.

Suggestion: Mane and Gini should have the highest heading attribute in our team. Van Dijk, Matip and Gomez should have theirs lowered. Just because they're strong and tall doesn't mean they're good at heading.

...or have I completely misunderstood what the heading attribute is about? Does it also include "win a headed duel"?

 

Heading is defined in our notes as the accuracy, choice of target and ability to use the right amount of power in headers on goal. It's the technical quality of headers, not the ability to win them effectively when challenged.

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Posted (edited)
20 hours ago, swansongs said:

Heading is defined in our notes as the accuracy, choice of target and ability to use the right amount of power in headers on goal. It's the technical quality of headers, not the ability to win them effectively when challenged.

Ok, thanks. My argument for increasing Mane/Gini's ability, and reducing Van Dijk/Matip/Gomez stands then.

I wouldn't be surprised if tall, strong players generally have their heading stats overrated in the game. Joe Gomez for example has done nothing to warrant a high heading ability, as he hasn't scored a single goal with his head. Maybe this is even something SIGAMES should remind all researchers about?

Edited by OkMarius

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