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3 minutes ago, ScotchCorner said:

Cieran Dunne has joined Sunderland from Falkirk he's currently a free agent

https://www.safc.com/news/academy-news/2019/august/dunne-signs-for-u23s

Yes, that was added to the database some time ago, but clearly after the beta was produced. He'll appear there in the Release database.

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Hi just noticed that Oxford United don't have an under 23 team on the game, but they do in real life? 

 

Thanks

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RE: Coventry City

Coventry are currently groundsharing with Birmingham City and the Football League will permit this for a maximum of 3 years. During this time Coventry have to either build a new stadium in Coventry or negotiate a deal to return to the Ricoh Arena (which is likely to cost £100,000 per season in rent).

I hope that the FM in game data editor will have the option to edit the ground/stadium so that Coventry can play at the Ricoh Arena and that the stadium graphics will be an accurate representation of the Ricoh Arena (Sky Blue seats etc, and not the dark blue of the Birmingham City Stadium).

Also, it is likely that the current owners of the Ricoh Arena, Wasps RFC, will go out of business by March 2022 as they are unlikely to be able to repay the £30 million bond and in this scenario Coventry City would then likely buy the freehold to the Ricoh Arena from the Administrator at a significantly discounted price. 

Please note that The Ricoh Arena is currently valued at £51 million and the rent that CCFC were paying was in approx. £100,000 per season.

Also, the cost of a new 20,000 seat stadium in the Coventry area is estimated to cost in the region of £50 million.

 

In general on FM20, the technical stats for U23 and youth team players seem very low. Considering that Coventry City has one of the most productive Academies in England and one of the top 20 in Europe, many players have the majority of technical attributes below 7 (even though some play for England youth teams) and this is totally inaccurate.

In real life, players age 17-21 have a level of technical ability that will not fluctuate or improve much, what changes with players of this age is the mental and physical stats/attributes as they gain match experience and physical maturity.

Therefore, it would be more realistic is the technical attributes of U23 and U18 players on FM20 were reevaluated and increased.

FM20 seems to have a significant amount of players with very low determination stats below 6. This is not an accurate reflection of the majority of these players and if their determination levels were so low in real life they would not be playing in the English Football League and would more likely be non league level.

- The database does not appear to include Joe Newton who is a LB for Coventry U23

- The database does not appear to include Blaine Rowe who is a RB for Coventry U23

- Other players are missing from the Coventry City Youth Team. Details of the Youth Team players are here: https://www.ccfc.co.uk/teams/under-18s/

- The database does not appear to include former Coventry City player Gael Bigirimana who was released by Hibernian and now playing in non league with Solihull Moors.

- Callum O´Hare´s position is listed in bright green as a striker. This is incorrect. His natural position is a No.10 and is also competent at CM, LW, RW.

- Jordan Young´s position is listed in bright green as a striker. This is incorrect. His natural position is a No.10 and is also competent at CM, LW, RW.

-  Jack Burroughs´s position is listed in bright green as a striker. This is incorrect. His natural position is a CM and can also play competently at ACM/No.10 and RW. It also states that he is left footed. This is incorrect. He is right footed.

- Jonathan Ngandu natural position is correctly listed as a No.10 but he now plays as a CM due to Coventry playing a 4-3-3 formation at all levels throughout the club. The database should include that he is also a natural CM.

- Max Biamou is 6"1

- Matt Godden is 5"11

- Reise Allassani is on loan at Dulwich Hamlet until January and is out for the season with an ACL injury

- The Coventry City Assistant Manager Adi Viveash is the one of the best and most successful youth coach coaches in England (see his record at Chelsea) and his attributes should be much higher.

- Coventry City has a Category 2 Youth Academy and excellent youth training facilities. This needs to be adequately reflected in the database. The Coventry City training facilities and youth recruitment also deserve a higher rating.

The Coventry City Staff database needs to be updated as follows:

- Jason Farndon: First Team Technical Coach & Head of Under 23 Player Development

- Luke Tisdale: Under 23´s Manager/Head Coach

- Chris Badlan: Head of Recruitment

- Aled Williams: Goalkeeping Coach

- Paul Travis: Performance Analyst / Data Analyst

- Adam Hearn: Head of Sports Science

- Paul Godfrey: Physio/Head of Medical

- Andy Young: Senior Fitness Coach

YOUTH COACHES

- Academy Manager: Daniel Bolas (not Richard Stevens)

- Head of Coaching: Mick Halsall

- U18 Coach: Karl Hooper

- U18 Coach: Andy Whing

- Head of Academy Recruitment: Paul Jayes

- U18 Physio: Sam Milner

 

 

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Thank you for your considered post, @Mexican Sky Blue

I'll answer the point about the auto-generation of low ratings for young players, later, as it's extremely busy at the moment here with deadlines.

The database you are using is nearly three weeks old now, and clearly we've worked on it since.

I'm looking at the database to make the staff corrections, and they all generally appear to be correct already! (Whing has left the club for Hereford). Bolas was appointed in the last couple of weeks and has been updated.

Thanks for the info on the player position tweaks, especially the U23s and u18s. Looking at that link, the only U18 we are missing is George Ward, and it's not clear whether he is an U17 or an U16.

Viveash has a high CA already.

Bigi is unattached in the BETA database. He's been moved to Solihull for the RELEASE database.

Rowe is at Coventry already. Newton - we had that in hand to do, and it has been updated now.

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RE: Coventry City

@Gripper  Thank you for your reply to my post. I have just spent the last few hours on the Beta version and would like to provide you with some additional comments about Coventry City and observations in general about the Beta version.

- Coventry City has a 10% sell on clause if Callum Wilson is sold by Bournemouth. However, this is not showing in the sell on clause section.

- It is reported in the local media that if James Maddison plays for England, Coventry City will receive a payment from Norwich City.

- The Beta version states that there is a Club Chairman loan of £7.75 million until May 2024 and a loan of £28.5 million until May 2024. However, the last set of accounts that the club filed state that the loan to the owner is £16,073,558.

Details of the accounts are can be found on the companies house website in which Coventry City FC can be found under Otium Entertainment Group

- In the Beta version, Mick Halsall is listed as a Technical Director. CCFC does not have a technical director and Mick Halsall´s role would best be described as Head of Youth Development (not Technical Director);

Coventry Squad

Liam Kelly should be changed to a natural DCM (where he currently plays for CCFC). He is the captain of the club and the key player in the 4-3-3 system. This should be accurately reflected on FM20 and his attributes for leadership, determination, positioning, anticipation and technique should be increased.

Kyle McFadzean is a ball playing centre half, the League 1 equivalent of Harry Maguire. I would suggest that his profile is amended to include brings ball out of defence, dwells on ball, and that his attributes for leadership, composure, decisions, passing, vision and dribbling should be increased slightly.

Fankatay Dabo is a product of the Chelsea Academy which he captained and has played in the Dutch top division and the Europa League. His attributes for passing (7), First touch (6), positioning (7) and determination (5) are far too low considering that he is one of the best right backs in the division and regarded by many observers as having the potential to play for a top club in the Championship.

Amadou Bakayoko´s physical stats are an exaggeration and should be significantly reduced; Aggression (17), Workrate (18) and bravery (16) are far too generous for a player that is considered by the majority of Coventry fans to be lazy, lightweight and not good enough to play for a team in the EFL.

Reise Allassani is listed as a natural striker but his natural position is Inside Forward (L). His secondary positions are No. 10, RW and CF.

Kastaneer does not play with his back to goal. He is a winger that is natural on both sides. His preferred move should be runs with the ball often. He is also competent at No. 10 and CF. His attributes for natural fitness, determination and workrate should be reduced to reflect his laziness.

The determination attributes for Hyam and Shipley are very inaccurate (below 6) and should be increased. Shipley has captained the club, he is the most improved player at the club and should have a determination attribute above 12.

Coventry U23

Johnny Ngandu and Will Bapaga are both England youth internationals and are 2 of the highest rated youth prospects in England. However, their technical attributes are very low and should be reevaluated. Bapaga has just turned 17 and has made appearances in the first team this season.

In real life he is an Inside Forward (left) and can play at No.10. He is right footed, not left footed as it currently states on the Beta version.

His main attributes are dribbling, balance, agility, speed and flair.

Jonathan Ngandu is natural CM and ACM and deserves to have much higher technical attributes

Declan Drysdale is a ball playing centre half and is very highly rated by the coaching staff at the club but on FM20 his passing is only 2 and his technique is only 4. His technical attributes on FM20 are very inaccurate.

Jack Burroughs is a dynamic box to box midfielder for Coventry under 23´s but in FM20 he is listed as a striker;

Coventry City General Observations

The junior coaching and youth recruitment on FM20 are both described as "adequate". I would argue that both should be rated higher. Especially considering that in recent years the Coventry Academy has produced players such as Callum Wilson, James Maddison, Cyrus Christie and Tom Bayliss.

Evidence that Coventry City are in the top 20 Academies for producing Premier League players is here:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/coventry-city-academy-16716068

The media prediction for Coventry City on FM20 is 11th. However, with the bookmakers CCFC are the 9th favourites for promotion from League 1

 

Problems with the Beta version (Mac)

-  In the staff roles, the GK coaching attributes (shot stopping) is not visible and there appears to be no option to scroll down to see the other attributes for GK coaching;

- In the club info page, it is not possible to see the Legends, Icons or favoured personnel and there appears to be no side bar to scroll down to see these names;

- In the matchplay, the touchline/sidelines of the pitch is not clear white as it flashes occasionally and is a distraction

- In the matchplay, the sounds and crowd noises need to be more varied as it is the same sounds for when goals are scored and when goals are disallowed etc.It would be beneficial to have different sounds/crowd noises for different events such as goals, near misses, great saves, red cards etc.

- I would like to see the manager AI for the opponents to be a more accurate reflection of the managers in real life and to adhere closer to their preferred formations, tactics, philosophy, youth development emphasis and transfer targets/policies etc.

- The goalkeepers seem to rarely move off their line and close down attackers that are through on goal in 1 v 1 situations. I hope that this will be improved in the full version of FM20;

- It appears that the option to change a players squad status no longer exists. 

- The goalkeepers do not appear to adhere to the distribution tactics that they are instructed to make.

- Defenders and goalkeepers seem to be very hesitant and too often make poor decisions with their movement, anticipation and positioning.

 

Suggested Improvements:

- I hope that SI Games can incorporate the use of software such as Prozone, Opta, Wyscout and Scout 7 etc to get a more accurate reflection of players attributes (especially youth players) and that youth players attributes will be more accurate in future with generally higher technical attributes and lower mental and physical stats that will improve with age and experience.

- Opta and Prozone stats and show that 14% of Premier League goals are scored from corners and that the majority of the goals scored from corners are inswinging corners to the near post. I hope that FM20 will include this type of statistical data in the matchplay to make it more realistic;

- Instead of training for months to add or remove preferred moves, I think that it would be better if managers were able to give individual instructions such as run with the ball often or shoot from distance etc.

- In general some of the attributes for EFL players are very low, in particular for technique, first touch, decisions and determination. In real life, if players in League 1 and League 2 had a rating for these attributes of less than 6, they would likely not be playing for clubs in the EFL and would be at a lower level;

- There should be more hidden gems in non-league and more non league players on FM20 that are capable of playing at a higher level and with higher potential ratings;

- Senior players should be more consistent, whereas young players should generally be more inconsistent;

-Some friendly and reserve games offer poor match viewing experience when the floodlights and other obstacles are in the way of the highlights when the camera in the Director camera angle;

- Players should respond quicker to being trained in a new position and role, especially younger players.

- A sustained run of successful results, good performances/attractive football and promotions should have a bigger impact on attendances at EFL Clubs. A sustained run of poor results and relegation should also negatively impact upon attendances for certain clubs.

- More consideration should be given to the size of the city and history of the club when determining the stature/ranking of the club. For example, Coventry is the 9th biggest city in England and was in the top flight for 34 years before being relegated from the Premier League. In the 2 recent Wembley appearances they have taken more than 40,000 fans and this should be adequately reflected on attendances if the club gets promoted etc.

- Scouting reports should be more in depth and also include a player´s injury history , international youth appearances and references to the players character, consistency and footballing intelligence. A Prozone style analysis would also be beneficial such as average sprint speed, average distance covered, pass completion. For example, the Ajax Scouting model is based on the TIPS system: Technique, Intelligence, Personality (Character), Speed.

Liverpool use the reverse of this because, speed and character are unlikely to change whereas football intelligence (decisions, positioning etc) and technique can be improved with coaching.

- Scouts should provide more detailed analysis of the opposition´s tactics, strengths and weaknesses (in possession, without possession and in transition). Opposition reports would also be improved by showing an analysis of the oppositions set pieces routines and commenting on the form, suspensions and injuries of opposition players.

- The assistant manager should provide more regular and detailed analysis of individual performances and tactics (inc. opposition tactics and performance) during games.

 

In summary, I hope that my comments and suggestions are useful to SI and that the full release on 19th November will include the necessary fixes and improvements.

 

 

 

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@Mexican Sky Blue appreciate the post, but for some of your issues which aren't data related (such as 'problems with the beta version' and 'suggested improvements' can you please raise these in the relevant sub-forum? As you can imagine our team is very busy at the moment so if things are posted in the correct places they can investigate. Thanks. 

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1 minute ago, Robbie51991 said:

Dylan Crowe of Ipwich is listed as Jamaican?

what should he be :) Maybe add a link no matter how obvious it may seem

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Bristol Rovers

- Keith Graham has left the club.

- Tom Parrinello should be Under 18s Manager (he is currently an Under 23s coach in-game).

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On 01/11/2019 at 04:38, bkp130 said:

Hey Guys

Loving the amazing work you guys are doing on the QA must be a crazy hard job

I only just got the game and started looking but Shandon Baptiste for Oxford United is down as having 3 Caps and 1 Goal for England. He actually has 3 caps 1 goal for Grenada with English as his second nationality

this appears in my game too

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Doncaster Rovers

No squad pics currently added. Will these be in place for full release?

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for Southend

 

some reasonably minor changes but

Sam Barratt is still injured IRL but is not in game

Matt Rush is a striker IRL, but a right winger as in the game. He also plays a bit for us so needs his current ability and potential increased

Emile Acquah is a regular squad member too so needs to have current ability of a current League Two player at the very least. He's also a target man rather than a poacher,

Isaac Hutchinson plays wide right, wide left and through the middle. Through the middle, both CM and ACM are his best positions.

Stephen McLaughlin can also play wide right and our wingers used to regularly swap sides.

I doubt that Luke Hyam is our highest earner IRL.

Simon Cox comes deep to get the ball and argues with officials. Constantly

Brandon Goodship has played wide right and wide left and he brings pure workrate. Not much quality but lots of workrate.

Dieng has played centre back, defensive midfield, centre mid and central attacking mid.

Stephen Humphrys is excellent technically and physically but you've probably over-rated him mentally.

Edited by Bearded Shrimper

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On 10/11/2019 at 19:44, Bearded Shrimper said:

for Southend

 

some reasonably minor changes but

Sam Barratt is still injured IRL but is not in game

Matt Rush is a striker IRL, but a right winger as in the game. He also plays a bit for us so needs his current ability and potential increased

Emile Acquah is a regular squad member too so needs to have current ability of a current League Two player at the very least. He's also a target man rather than a poacher,

Isaac Hutchinson plays wide right, wide left and through the middle. Through the middle, both CM and ACM are his best positions.

Stephen McLaughlin can also play wide right and our wingers used to regularly swap sides.

I doubt that Luke Hyam is our highest earner IRL.

Simon Cox comes deep to get the ball and argues with officials. Constantly

Brandon Goodship has played wide right and wide left and he brings pure workrate. Not much quality but lots of workrate.

Dieng has played centre back, defensive midfield, centre mid and central attacking mid.

Stephen Humphrys is excellent technically and physically but you've probably over-rated him mentally.

Some of these are already tweaked for final release (I put generally some similar change requests in to your suggestions, not all of them).

I disagree though that Acquah is ready for a starting league 2 player CA - he is dominant at Isthmian level but doesn't look a league player yet. I also think that though McLaughlin has played on the right cutting in, it doesn't suit him amazingly.

Cox's PPMs though are definitely lacking and you are right there. I might also think about plays one-twos for him (though he's been less effective at that this season).

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4 minutes ago, Im not Mozzer said:

All these gripes and none for Bolton - that makes me very happy

They start on Monday ;)

 

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@GripperThe Coventry Stadium situation on my beta version is showing that the club will return to the Ricoh Arena for the 2020/21 season. In real life, this is the likely scenario and I´m glad that FM20 includes this.

When FM20 progresses onto the 2020/21 season, can you please ensure that the rent for the Ricoh is listed at approx. £100,000, which is what CCFC previously paid to rent the Ricoh Arena per season, whereas at the Birmingham City stadium it is reported to be £250,000 per season.

Also, for the 2020/21 season when Coventry return to play at the Ricoh Arena, can you please ensure that the stadium is an accurate reflection of the Ricoh Arena with Sky Blue seats and that the average attendances at the Ricoh Arena increase in line with the clubs projections of 12,000 for League 1 and 18,000+ in the Championship.

Thanks

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20 hours ago, Alari Naylor said:

Some of these are already tweaked for final release (I put generally some similar change requests in to your suggestions, not all of them).

I disagree though that Acquah is ready for a starting league 2 player CA - he is dominant at Isthmian level but doesn't look a league player yet. I also think that though McLaughlin has played on the right cutting in, it doesn't suit him amazingly.

Cox's PPMs though are definitely lacking and you are right there. I might also think about plays one-twos for him (though he's been less effective at that this season).

I'll disagree on Acquah and McLaughlin. Acquah has been picked by our last four managers and is a pretty regular member of the match day squad. While I get we have injuries all four of those managers keep putting him on the pitch. I'd argue there is a reason they keep doing that.

McLaughlin played wide right for a whole year under Powell and has played there since. I'm not arguing he should be perfectly suited to it but it is a historical fact that he's played there and is pretty comfortable there. In fact, the last time we were good was when he played there.

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16 hours ago, Mexican Sky Blue said:

@GripperThe Coventry Stadium situation on my beta version is showing that the club will return to the Ricoh Arena for the 2020/21 season. In real life, this is the likely scenario and I´m glad that FM20 includes this.

When FM20 progresses onto the 2020/21 season, can you please ensure that the rent for the Ricoh is listed at approx. £100,000, which is what CCFC previously paid to rent the Ricoh Arena per season, whereas at the Birmingham City stadium it is reported to be £250,000 per season.

Also, for the 2020/21 season when Coventry return to play at the Ricoh Arena, can you please ensure that the stadium is an accurate reflection of the Ricoh Arena with Sky Blue seats and that the average attendances at the Ricoh Arena increase in line with the clubs projections of 12,000 for League 1 and 18,000+ in the Championship.

Thanks

We cannot set rents for future stadium moves, yet. Suspect you['ll have to pay much more than you did before, anyway.

Stadium sets etc. The seat colours are set in the database as light blue at the Ricoh (primary colour) and dark blue (secondary colour).

Coventry's average attendance is set in the database at 9255. That was 2017/18s average, which is a mistake, and it should have been updated to 2018/19's average. We'll get that changed for the official release of the PC game.

We don't set projected attendances for promotions that may never happen.

 

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On ‎11‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 19:39, GillyBeavis said:

Kevin Ball should be set as Sunderland's Loan Manager as confirmed by Academy manager Paul Reid in the latest Roker Rapport podcast (19 mins 20 secs in)

https://play.acast.com/s/therokerrapport/32cb1cf1-1789-4376-bed9-cbd7e6342ab0

Unfortunately, Ball is not extracted in the FM release database, so we are unable to make that change to his profile and include him in the release version of the game. That is because it is after data lock for the release of the game.

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On ‎10‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 10:17, craigdrfc said:

Doncaster Rovers

No squad pics currently added. Will these be in place for full release?

The club have not sent us any, despite having been asked to do so. We are not legally entitled to use any photos without their consent.

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@GripperThank you for your reply to my post regarding the CCFC stadium situation.

Regarding the full version of FM20 to be released on 19th November, can you please confirm whether or not any of the following changes will be made to the database:

Transfer Clauses

- Coventry City has a 10% - 15% sell on clause if Callum Wilson is sold by Bournemouth. However, this is not showing in the sell on clause section in the Beta version. Evidence of the sell on clause is here:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-city-callum-wilson-transfer-15652991

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-city-callum-wilson-striker-15381652

 

- It is reported in the local media that if James Maddison plays for England, Coventry City will receive a payment from Norwich City. Evidence of this can be found in the following links:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-city-james-maddison-deal-14803846

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/england-james-maddison-coventry-city-15237383

 

- Coventry reportedly have a sell on clause and add ons from the sale of Cian Harries to Swansea. This is not showing in the Beta version of FM20. See the following link: https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-citys-cian-harries-completes-13342815

 

Club Finances

- The Beta version states that there is a Club Chairman loan of £7.75 million until May 2024 and a loan of £28.5 million until May 2024. However, the last set of accounts that the club filed state that the loan to the owner is £16,073,558.

Details of the accounts are can be found on the companies house website in which Coventry City FC can be found under Otium Entertainment Group

Additional information regarding the club´s finances is here:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-accounts-ricoh-row-15917064

 

- If/When CCFC return to the Ricoh for the 2020/21 season, evidence suggests that the rent will remain in the region of £100,000,: https://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/breaking-coventry-city-deal-completed-to-stay-at-wasps-owned-ricoh-arena-for-another-year-for-100k/

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/ricoh-arena-row-sky-blues-16025053

 

- If the club builds a new stadium, it is reported to cost in the region of £52 million. Evidence of this is here: https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/coventry-city-new-stadium-costs-16463465

 

Coventry Squad

Liam Kelly should be changed to a natural DCM (where he currently plays for CCFC). He is the captain of the club and the key player in the 4-3-3 system. This should be accurately reflected on FM20 and his attributes for leadership, determination, positioning, anticipation and technique should be increased. He is a DCM and DLP.

Kyle McFadzean is a ball playing centre half, the League 1 equivalent of Harry Maguire. I would suggest that his profile is amended to include brings ball out of defence and that his attributes for leadership, composure, decisions, passing, vision and dribbling should be increased slightly.

Fankatay Dabo is a product of the Chelsea Academy which he captained and has played in the Dutch top division and the Europa League. His attributes for passing (7), First touch (6), positioning (7) and determination (5) are far too low considering that he is one of the best right backs in the division and regarded by many observers as having the potential to play for a top club in the Championship.

Amadou Bakayoko´s physical stats are an exaggeration and should be significantly reduced; Aggression (17), Workrate (18) and bravery (16) are far too generous for a player that is considered by the majority of Coventry fans to be lazy, lightweight and not good enough to play for a team in the EFL due to his lack of work ethic and lack of determination. In real life, his aggression, determination, workrate and bravery would be considered to be minimal.

Reise Allassani is listed as a natural striker but his natural position is Inside Forward (L) and/or Inverted Winger (L) His secondary positions are No. 10, RW and CF, in which he is accomplished.

Kastaneer does not play with his back to goal. He is a winger that is natural on both sides. His preferred move should be runs with the ball often. He is also accomplished at No. 10 and CF. His attributes for natural fitness, determination and workrate should be reduced to reflect his laziness and lack of work ethic.

The determination attributes for Hyam and Shipley are very inaccurate (below 6) and should be increased. Shipley has captained the club, he is the most improved player at the club and should have a determination attribute above 12.

- Callum O´Hare´s position is listed in bright green as a striker. This is incorrect. His natural position is a No.10 and is also accomplished in his secondary positions at CM, LW, RW.

- In real life Jordy Hiwula is a natural striker and an accomplished inside forward (L), where he has played for CCFC for the last season and a half. On the Beta version he is listed as a natural at Right Wing. This is incorrect as he has not played at RW and at best would be considered as competent as a right winger.

- Max Biamou is 6"1. He is transfer listed on FM20 but is not transfer listed in real life. 

- On the Beta version it states that Kastaneer is on holiday and will return on 21st July and that Jobello is on holiday and will return on 14th July. In real life both players started pre season with CCFC and they should not be listed as being on holiday at the start of pre season.

- Matt Godden is 5"11, not 6"1.

- Sam McCallum should have a higher potential rating and higher technical and mental attributes as he is being monitored by a number of Premier League and Championship Clubs. See this link: https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-city-sam-mccallum-transfer-16992143

 

Player Traits

Shipley: Add tried through balls often and arrives late into opposition area

Marosi: Remove argues with officials

Dabo: Add gets forward whenever possible

McCallum: Add gets forward whenever possible

McFadzean: Add brings ball out of defence

Kelly: Remove tries long range passes and likes to switch ball to other flank.  Add comes deep to get the ball and likes ball to feet

Allen: Add gets into opposition area or arrives late into opposition area

Kastaneer: Remove plays with back to goal. Add runs with the ball often, shoots from distance and tries tricks

Jobello: Remove dwells on ball. Add cuts inside from left wing

Bakayoko: Remove winds up opponents

Bapaga (U23): Add cuts inside from left wing, runs with the ball often and shoots from distance

Ngandu (U23): Add runs with the ball through centre

O´Hare: Add tries tricks

Drysdale (U23): Add Brings ball out of defence

Pask (U23): Add Brings ball out of defence

Allassani (U23) Add cuts inside from left wing, shoots from distance, runs with the ball often, tries tricks.

Godden: Add moves into channels

 

Coventry U23

Johnny Ngandu and Will Bapaga are both England youth internationals and are 2 of the highest rated youth prospects in England. However, their technical attributes are very low and should be reevaluated. Bapaga has just turned 17 and has made appearances in the first team this season.

In real life Bapaga is an Inside Forward (left) and can play as a natural No.10. He is right footed, not left footed as it currently states on the Beta version.

His main attributes are dribbling, balance, agility, speed and flair. He is currently being scouted by numerous Premier League clubs and his potential rating on FM20 should be much higher. Also, he is currently listed in the U18 squad on the Beta version but in real life he is now part of the U23 squad.

Jonathan Ngandu natural position is correctly listed as a No.10 but he now plays as a CM due to Coventry playing a 4-3-3 formation at all levels throughout the club. The database should include that he is also a natural CM and as he is an England youth international his technical attributes and potential rating should be higher.

Declan Drysdale is a ball playing centre half and is very highly rated by the coaching staff at the club but on FM20 his passing is only 2 and his technique is only 4. His technical attributes on FM20 are very inaccurate and should be increased significantly.

- Jordan Young´s position is listed in bright green as a striker. This is incorrect. His natural position is a No.10 and is also accomplished in his secondary positions at CM, LW, RW.

-  Jack Burroughs´s position is listed in bright green as a striker. This is incorrect. His natural position is a CM and is accomplished in his secondary positions at ACM/No.10 and RW. It also states that he is left footed. This is incorrect. He is right footed. He is a dynamic box to box midfielder.

- Dan Lafferty and Callum Martin are in the U23 squad on the Beta version but in real life they are part of the U18 squad

- Dexter Walters natural position is Inverted Winger/Inside Forward (left), not a right winger.

- Josh Eccles secondary positions in the Beta version as listed as RB, RWB and RM. This is incorrect. he is a natural DCM and accomplished at CM and CB.

 

Coventry City Staff

- In the Beta version the CCFC head of sports science, Adam Hearn, is missing from FM20

- In the Beta version 2 first team physios are missing: Liam Stanley and Marcus Drake

 

- In the Beta version, Mick Halsall is listed as a Technical Director. CCFC does not have a technical director and Mick Halsall´s actual role as head of Academy Coaching at CCFC would best be described in FM20 as Head of Youth Development (not Technical Director);

Alternatively, the new Academy Manager, Daniel Bolas, should be included in FM20 as the Head of Youth Development and Mick Halsall listed an an U18 coach.

In the Beta version, the U18 fitness coach is not included. The U18 fitness coach (Academy Head of Strength and Conditioning) is Rich Kite

In the Beta version, the U18 data analyst is wrongly listed as Jonny Clancy. The actual U18 data analyst is Ben Morella

CCFC staff details are here: https://www.ccfc.co.uk/teams/Academy-Staff/

 

Coventry City General Observations

The junior coaching and youth recruitment for Coventry City on FM20 are both described as "adequate". I would argue that both should be rated much higher. Especially considering that in recent years the Coventry Academy has produced players such as Callum Wilson, James Maddison, Cyrus Christie and Tom Bayliss.

Evidence that Coventry City are in the top 20 Academies for producing Premier League players is here:

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/coventry-city-academy-16716068

The media prediction for Coventry City on FM20 is 11th. However, with the bookmakers CCFC are the 9th favourites for promotion from League 1

In general on FM20, the technical stats for U23 and youth team players seem very low. Considering that Coventry City has one of the most productive Academies in England and one of the top 20 in Europe, many players have the majority of technical attributes below 7 (even though some play for England youth teams) and this is totally inaccurate.

In real life, players age 17-21 have a level of technical ability that will not fluctuate or improve much, what changes with players of this age is the mental and physical stats/attributes as they gain match experience and physical maturity.

Therefore, in the FM20 database, it would be more realistic is the technical attributes of U23 and U18 players were reevaluated and increased.

The FM20 database seems to have a significant amount of players with very low determination stats below 6. This is not an accurate reflection of the majority of these players and if their determination levels were so low in real life they would not be playing in the English Football League and would more likely be non league level.

There are no profile pictures of any Coventry City players

 

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1 hour ago, Mexican Sky Blue said:

Kyle McFadzean is a ball playing centre half, the League 1 equivalent of Harry Maguire. I would suggest that his profile is amended to include brings ball out of defence and that his attributes for leadership, composure, decisions, passing, vision and dribbling should be increased slightly.

I personally disagree on this point. I think he's a standard centre half but is playing in that role due to how you're playing this year. 

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Bristol Rovers

I'm not sure if this is an error, but Bristol Rovers have had a home attendance of 2746 in almost every League 1 game on the BETA (until end of January season 1). The only exceptions were a couple of lower attendances for the leasing.com home fixtures, and just over 6000 for an FA Cup 2nd Round home game. In facilities it says 11906 capacity used in normal matches, but curiously the seats are set at 2746. Could this be an error, as I would imagine Bristol Rovers generate much larger home league attendances than 2746.

Edit: Info checked on below link would suggest this is an error in the BETA. No wonder I was losing so much money!

2018/19 average 8320

2019/20 average 7368

https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-league-one-2018-2019/1/

 

Edited by Jogo Bonito

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@Mexican Sky Blue - thanks for your post, though there is not the need to re-post things here. Everything is looked at. 

On the 7th, I answered your post (earlier on the 7th) which clearly stated I had actioned the items in that post.

You then posted about Wilson's sell-on (alreqady done).

The finances - you did not provide anything I could reference, at that late stage of development, that I could use. I have not changed the finances, as I did not have time to search for the evidence. Data lock to edit my database was that very day.

Halsall - you already have a HOYD (Bolas, also mentioned in that post). Tech Dir is the closest FM job to the job he does at your club.

Maddison - we cannot set those clauses in the current database. 

Harries - he was not mentioned until today's post, which is too late to add to the release database. 

This is a football management game, not a property development game, so any details about the cost of a new stadium and the very low probability of it ever being built, and being funded by (well, we have no idea who will fund it do we?) is outside the scope of the game at this stage.

Given the very last-minute demands upon us, I am pleased to state that the squad amendments you requested later on the 7th were, on the whole, made.

You mention some "player traits" (we call them 'PPMs', or 'Player Preferred Moves') in your post of two hours ago, That is too late to be considered for the release version of the database. The Coventry City researcher added the traits he believed were necessary for the squad when he did his research for us in May, August and October. Some of those PPMs you have set will be down to players doing tasks that Robins will have set them this season. 

The updates to the U23s did make it, from last Thursday. Young players like Bapaga, who are first-years, will not have full profiles where every single attribute is set, simply because they have not been watched enough to commit to every single attribute at this time. You say he is being scouted by Premier League clubs. So is every other first-year at every Academy. 

If U18s are appearing in U23s squads at start-up in FM, it's because they are considered worthy of inclusion in the U23 squad, which may lack competition in their particular positions, hence promoting them to that squad. They will play U18s too.

Staff - you have only mentioned Stanley, Drake, Kite and Morella two hours ago, so it is too late for them to be in the release. I had updated the staff as per your posts of the 7th, where appropriate.

Media prediction - 11th or 9th, that's negligible, and not worth worrying about. I am sure you could find a media outlet that had you top and another that had you as relegation candidates, if we looked hard enough. 

Your points about low technical attributes is noted, and also low determination, and that's for another day. To say that anyone who is a professional has shown determination to get there doesn't mean every single player in the database therefore has determination set in double-figures.

Coventry City have not sent us any player photos, despite SEGA licensing staff chasing them for it on our behalf. If a club does not provide player photos then we cannot legally use those player photos. 

Thank you for your hard work in checking the data and reporting on it.

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1 minute ago, Jogo Bonito said:

Bristol Rovers

I'm not sure if this is an error, but Bristol Rovers have had a home attendance of 2746 in almost every League 1 game on the BETA (until end of January season 1). The only exceptions were a couple of lower attendances for the leasing.com home fixtures, and just over 6000 for an FA Cup 2nd Round home game. In facilities it says 11906 capacity used in normal matches, but curiously the seats are set at 2746. Could this be an error, as I would imagine Bristol Rovers generate much larger home league attendances than 2746.

 

This link suggests average attendance for 2018/19 of 8320 for Bristol Rovers

https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-league-one-2018-2019/1/

If this is accurate then perhaps the club file needs updating but it may not make it now for release

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23 hours ago, Im not Mozzer said:

All these gripes and none for Bolton - that makes me very happy

Since you asked...

Is Harry Brockbank not a right back ? That's the only position I've seen him play for Wanderers.

Thanks

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1 minute ago, MrPompey said:

This link suggests average attendance for 2018/19 of 8320 for Bristol Rovers

https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-league-one-2018-2019/1/

If this is accurate then perhaps the club file needs updating but it may not make it now for release

I just found that link too and edited my post. I agree with you. Will massively affect a manager at the club if it won't get fixed but I appreciate it is late..

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19 minutes ago, Jogo Bonito said:

Bristol Rovers

I'm not sure if this is an error, but Bristol Rovers have had a home attendance of 2746 in almost every League 1 game on the BETA (until end of January season 1). The only exceptions were a couple of lower attendances for the leasing.com home fixtures, and just over 6000 for an FA Cup 2nd Round home game. In facilities it says 11906 capacity used in normal matches, but curiously the seats are set at 2746. Could this be an error, as I would imagine Bristol Rovers generate much larger home league attendances than 2746.

Edit: Info checked on below link would suggest this is an error in the BETA. No wonder I was losing so much money!

2018/19 average 8320

2019/20 average 7368

https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-league-one-2018-2019/1/

 

This issue has been fixed earlier this week, so should be ok in the RELEASE version of the game. It was a problem with terracing in the EFL. Thanks for bringing it up.

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10 minutes ago, Gripper said:

This issue has been fixed earlier this week, so should be ok in the RELEASE version of the game. It was a problem with terracing in the EFL. Thanks for bringing it up.

Excellent news - if not for me then for new managers of the club after RELEASE. I guessed it was to do with the seats/terracing, thanks for confirming it is sorted for the future. I only noticed this evening due to the column and right hand panel size correction (hurrah) on the update improving the 'schedule' page, which gave me room to add another column (attendance).

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7 hours ago, Jogo Bonito said:

Bristol Rovers

I'm not sure if this is an error, but Bristol Rovers have had a home attendance of 2746 in almost every League 1 game on the BETA (until end of January season 1). The only exceptions were a couple of lower attendances for the leasing.com home fixtures, and just over 6000 for an FA Cup 2nd Round home game. In facilities it says 11906 capacity used in normal matches, but curiously the seats are set at 2746. Could this be an error, as I would imagine Bristol Rovers generate much larger home league attendances than 2746.

Edit: Info checked on below link would suggest this is an error in the BETA. No wonder I was losing so much money!

2018/19 average 8320

2019/20 average 7368

https://www.worldfootball.net/attendance/eng-league-one-2018-2019/1/

 

Just came on to post the same, got four months in and just noticed. 

If you click on Stadiums on the competition drop down it lists Rovers stadium capacity as 2746. It looks like only seated capacity is being used. 

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4 hours ago, HarleyBlue said:

Just came on to post the same, got four months in and just noticed. 

If you click on Stadiums on the competition drop down it lists Rovers stadium capacity as 2746. It looks like only seated capacity is being used. 

As mentioned just three posts up, this issue has been fixed earlier this week, so should be ok in the RELEASE version of the game. It was a problem with terracing in the EFL.

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James Maddison transfer clause

The Beta version does not include the fact that Norwich City owe a payment of £100,000 to Coventry City if James Maddison plays for England.

Evidence of this is in the following link

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/james-maddison-coventry-england-leicester-17257283

Please include this in the full version that is being released on the 19th November.

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2 hours ago, Mexican Sky Blue said:

James Maddison transfer clause

The Beta version does not include the fact that Norwich City owe a payment of £100,000 to Coventry City if James Maddison plays for England.

Evidence of this is in the following link

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/james-maddison-coventry-england-leicester-17257283

Please include this in the full version that is being released on the 19th November.

We cannot add that payment, as Maddison is not contracted to Norwich. The game code does not cater for this. To enable that would require new game code, which at this stage of development is not possible, as game code is locked.

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Joe Morrell (on loan at Lincoln City) has the wrong height data. In my game as 186cm when he's a wee little thing. If Joe Allen is 168 then Morrell is no more than 165cm.

0_Wales-v-Belarus-International-Friendly

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On 06/11/2019 at 21:17, Jonnow123 said:

Hi just noticed that Oxford United don't have an under 23 team on the game, but they do in real life? 

 

Thanks

Hi @Gripper, I didnt see a specific response to this in this thread, will Oxford have an under 23 team in the release version?

 

https://www.oufc.co.uk/teams/under-23-team/ 

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They have a reserve team that plays friendlies only. They are not in a reserve league.

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3 hours ago, swansongs said:

Joe Morrell (on loan at Lincoln City) has the wrong height data. In my game as 186cm when he's a wee little thing. If Joe Allen is 168 then Morrell is no more than 165cm.

0_Wales-v-Belarus-International-Friendly

Good spot. I’ll amend that in Jan. i haven’t updated him since he arrive from Bristol City researcher.

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1 hour ago, Gripper said:

They have a reserve team that plays friendlies only. They are not in a reserve league.

Ah OK. Thanks for the reply 👍🏼

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Ricky Jade-Jones of Peterborough United is black, not white. 

Marcus Maddison's pace and acceleration ratings are off. 7 pace? 9 acceleration? I know it's already been mentioned and rejected but those stats need bumping up a couple of points in my opinion (Posh season ticket holder for nearly 20 years). 

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