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Please post any data issues related to England EFL League One here.

As much of the data is subjective we’d ask that you respect everyone’s opinion and accept that the final decision is that of our club researchers and our heads of research.          

We also request you please adhere to the following three point plan when posting in the data topics:

·        State what you think is specifically wrong with a particular piece of data.              

·        State what you think the data should be.                            

·        State reasons/proof for your suggested corrections/improvements.                         

Please note that any non-data issues for England EFL League One should be posted in the appropriate thread within the League Specific Issues Forum. This would include issues such as league scheduling and league rules.

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Blackpool:

- Armand Gnanduillet is stated as being transfer listed. This is not the case in real life, he is main striker.

- Christoffer Mafoumbi is state as being transfer listed. This is not the case in real life.

- Tommy Johnson is Head of Recruitment and Jonathan Gibson is Head of Technical Scouting. Ref: https://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/news/2019/october/club-confirms-recruitment--scouting-appointments/

- Adi Yussuf is on loan at Solihull Moors until January 2020. Ref:

https://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/news/2019/september/yussuf-returns-to-solihull-moors/

- Ben Mansford is Chief Executive Officer not managing director. Ref: https://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/news/2019/october/club-appoints-new-ceo/

- Brett Gerrity is missing as a Director. Ref https://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/club/staff-directory/

- Ben Tollitt is on loan at Wrexham until January 2020. Ref:

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/blackpool-winger-extends-loan-spell-with-national-league-side-wrexham-1-10002417

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OK, we need more than "X is transfer-listed" to have any chance of working out what is happening there, please. Which Blackpool striker is, incorrectly, preferred to Gnanduillet? Which goalkeeper is being preferred, incorrectly, to Mafoumbi?

if you provide that info then we can try to establish why the game decides to transfer-list those players. It is the game AI that allocates the transfer list, not the data.

(It looks to me as if new signing Hardie is preferred to Gnanduillet, though there being six senior strikers on the books with the manager preferring to play only one up top, means that a striker is listed. With many of the other strikers being new signings, that rules them out for the transfer-list. I have tweaked Armand's data a little, but do not want to make him too good just to fix this situation. Mafoumbi is being listed as clearly the third-best of the three senior goalkeepers. That isn't outrageous, especially with two young goalies in the U23s.)

Johnson and Gibson - we are aware of their moves. Both were appointed after the database you are using in the beta was finalised. We don't have "Head of Technical Scouting" as a job in FM.

Yussuf is a short-term loan and we have never included those in starting databases. We have only ever included standard (ie window-to-window) loans.

We do not have "Chief Executive Officer" as a job title in FM. We have to keep things generic. We cannot add every single fancy new job titles that arises, especially when they concern the administration of the club, which is an area of the game we do not get too involved in. The product we are making is Football Manager, not Company Director Manager. The job "Managing Director" perfectly showcases that Mansford is a club executive. If there are any responsibilities used in the game that apply to Mansford (eg is he the club spokeperson, does he hire and fire football staff?) then we can set those responsibilities to him. Otherwise he's a cosmetic addition to the staff page.

As is Gerrity. We can add him to the database, but of course his addition will mean nothing more than an extra line of data on the staff page.

Tollitt - this was originally a short-term loan, so (as mentioned above) was not set back in August. Clearly he has extended until January, so that loan does quality for inclusion in the game. It will be added to the release version of the database. Thanks for identifying that.

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3 hours ago, Malf said:

Portsmouth are missing one Youth/Academy player:

Name: Gerard Storey, Date of birth 02/05/2002, Date signed 01/07/2019, Previous club: Portadown (N.Ireland), Nationality: N.Ireland

Position: MC/AMC

Confirmation can be found on the Pompey club site https://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/teams/u18-team/midfielder/gerard-storey/

Thanks for this. We had an issue with a duplicate player being created, but hadn't realised that this meant that Storey was not moved to Portsmouth as he should have been. Has been updated for the release version of the database.

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3 hours ago, TRFC23 said:

A few Tranmere Rovers related issues

Eric Nixon is no longer a goalkeeping coach at the club, Iain Turner has replaced him

Ian Liversedge should be at the club as a physio (currently unemployed)

https://www.tranmererovers.co.uk/club/tranmere-rovers-staff-directory/

Thanks - the Tranmere staff in the game has been overhauled for the Release Version database

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Southend United Backroom Team requires an update as we have since appointed Sol Campbell, Hermann Hreiðarsson, Andy Cole and Tony Colbert.

https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2019/october/blues-announce-sol-campbell-as-new-manager/

Gary Waddock and Todorov have since departed 

https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2019/october/waddock-and-todorov-depart-blues/

Also i note that Sam Barratt doesn't start the season with his injury (Damaged Cruciate Ligament) he is still working his way back to fitness now 

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/17826893.blues-winger-barratt-still-39-little-way-39-returning/

Press story from August, but still hasn't returned to action.

Edited by Rowe23
additional info

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Hey Guys

Loving the amazing work you guys are doing on the QA must be a crazy hard job

I only just got the game and started looking but Shandon Baptiste for Oxford United is down as having 3 Caps and 1 Goal for England. He actually has 3 caps 1 goal for Grenada with English as his second nationality

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When viewing Bury's previous season results it shows as a red dot for finishing 2nd in league 2 last season. Obviously I'm not sure what is meant to happen give the unfortunate situation with their team but usually its a green dot for getting promotion.

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Former Ipswich player Grant Ward injured his ACL last December, he is continuing his rehab with the club but is out of contract. However when viewing him on FM he is approaching the end of his rehab in June.

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The 24-year-old was released by the Blues at the end of last season but has remained at Town as clubs are obliged to get players fit before they depart.

(Quoted from https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news/37009/rotherham-boss-wouldnt-be-surprised-if-ward-rejoined-town which is dated 18th October 2019)

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5 hours ago, bkp130 said:

Hey Guys

Loving the amazing work you guys are doing on the QA must be a crazy hard job

I only just got the game and started looking but Shandon Baptiste for Oxford United is down as having 3 Caps and 1 Goal for England. He actually has 3 caps 1 goal for Grenada with English as his second nationality

Thanks for the kind words. Always good to see some in here amidst the complaints!

Ugh, silly error regarding his 'declared for' tickbox. Have unticked it now.  He's recorded as only playing friendlies for Grenada, to leave his options open in-game as IRL.

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12 hours ago, Rowe23 said:

Southend United Backroom Team requires an update as we have since appointed Sol Campbell, Hermann Hreiðarsson, Andy Cole and Tony Colbert.

https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2019/october/blues-announce-sol-campbell-as-new-manager/

Gary Waddock and Todorov have since departed 

https://www.southendunited.co.uk/news/2019/october/waddock-and-todorov-depart-blues/

Also i note that Sam Barratt doesn't start the season with his injury (Damaged Cruciate Ligament) he is still working his way back to fitness now 

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/17826893.blues-winger-barratt-still-39-little-way-39-returning/

Press story from August, but still hasn't returned to action.

Regular reminder that you are playing the BETA database.

The RELEASE database is being maintained and updated as we speak, and will (of course) include the Southend managerial changes, which occurred after the deadline for the beta database.

Thanks for the info on Barratt's continuing injury. I have updated the end date now, for release.

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12 hours ago, bfc4eva said:

Adam Forrest left his role at Blackpool in June 2019, confirmation here: https://www.blackpoolfc.co.uk/news/2019/june/new-head-of-sport-science-appointed/

Blackpool staff have been updated for the RELEASE version of the database.

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Thanks - any idea when he is free from injury, please?

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Peterborough United:

Mark Beevers is the captain not Alex Woodyard.

Jason Naismith is out on loan so is no longer vice captain.  Woodyard was named vice captain at the start of the season but is no longer captaining the team in Beevers absence.

Sam Cartwright is a natural centre back, right back should be a secondary position.

Josh Knight has played the end of last season and all this season as a centre midfielder he should be more natural in this position than he is rated in the game but is only on loan from Leicester.

Siriki Dembele has played the majority of his games for Posh as an AML (inside forward/inverted winger) this should be his natural side.

Ricky Jade Jones is a highly rated striker not a central midfielder.

Marcus Maddison is underrated on his acceleration and pace attributes (9/7).  He is faster than Niall Mason rated 12/11 and as fast maybe even faster than Ivan Toney rated 14/14.

 

Missing Youth Team Players:

Conor Peters (CD),  Aaron Powell (LB),  Charlie O'Connell (CD/CM), Shaun Ruzvidzo (CM/AMC), Nicky Gyimah-Bio (AMR/L),  Taylor Horne (RB/RM), Shaun Keane (RB).  

 

Co-owners alongside Darragh MacAnthony are Jason Neale and Randy Thompson.  

Craig Smith is the first team fitness coach.  On the game he is U18 fitness coach.

Gary Wakefield is head physio.

Chris Turner should be listed as club legend as former manager and player.

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Thanks @cook6

I disagree about Maddison. His lack of pace and acceleration (speed, you could say) is a major factor in why he's not played at a higher level.

I'll get on to those other factors for the RELEASE database. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Gripper said:

Thanks @cook6

I disagree about Maddison. His lack of pace and acceleration (speed, you could say) is a major factor in why he's not played at a higher level.

I'll get on to those other factors for the RELEASE database. 

 

 

Will have to to disagree on that.  After watching him most weeks for the last 6 seasons he is definitely a lot quicker than he’s been rated on this years game.  He’s now rated as the slowest player in the squad!
Big reduction from last seasons 14/13 ratings.

The reason nobody has taken a chance on him seems to be his perceived image outside of the club.  With the right club he could step up to the Championship with ease. 

 

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Rotherham United is looking good, just a couple of questions.

Julien Lamy is down as an AMR/MR when he's generally a left winger.

Daniel Barlasers loan starts in 2018/2019 in his history.

Trevor Clarke has a torn knee ligaments injury for 6 - 7 months.  He did suffer a knee injury in pre-season but he made his Rotherham debut against Doncaster on the 8th October.  Here is Warne saying he didn't have ligament damage and he'll only be out for 5 - 6 weeks.  https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/view,trevor-clark-injury-update-and-the-latest-on-rotherham-uniteds-bid-for-a-ce_32992.htm

How come the finances are so low? I understand we have clauses with Ajayi and Vaulks but they were still sold for 1.5mil and 2.1mil before addons.  We spent 750k in the summer.  How come we only have 1.2mil in the bank and a 100k transfer fee?

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Losses of £5.7m in the last two years where accounts have been submitted would indicate that you haven't got millions to spend.

We suspect the club spent as much as they were able in the summer. There isn't a spare pot of money doing nothing at the club, just hanging around waiting for Warne to buy a striker with, is there?

Barlaser - there was a rogue extra history line set, in error. That's been deleted now for the release database.

Thanks for the Clarke injury update. That has been updated too.

Lamy - will ask the researcher about him.

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Sunderland:

The Players Out list in the Transfer History screen shows Will Buckley leaving Sunderland for Bolton on 24/06/19. This is incorrect - Buckley left and joined Bolton in 2017.

 

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Coventry Under 18's have two goalkeepers in the game with similar names (Keelan Fallows and Keelan Fellows). Keelan Fellows doesnt exist in reality.

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Yes, this has already been fixed internally and will appears correctly in the RELEASE  version of the database.

Please do not open new threads for every data issue, post in the appropriate divisional thread. Thanks.

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2 hours ago, Gripper said:

Losses of £5.7m in the last two years where accounts have been submitted would indicate that you haven't got millions to spend.

We suspect the club spent as much as they were able in the summer. There isn't a spare pot of money doing nothing at the club, just hanging around waiting for Warne to buy a striker with, is there?

Barlaser - there was a rogue extra history line set, in error. That's been deleted now for the release database.

Thanks for the Clarke injury update. That has been updated too.

Lamy - will ask the researcher about him.

Wasn't expecting much more :D .  We spent the pot to buy a striker in Freddie :lol:.  I doubt we'll break our 500k record and I wasn't expecting us to have millions to spend :lol:.  Usually we hit a loss in game, was hopin' we had a little bit more in the bank so it isn't as bad/squad still lacks a LB imo, Clarke much more suited as a winger.  Be a challenge as always :D.

Thanks for updating the rest though :thup:.   Can't wait to start my long term Millers save when the game is released :D.  We do appreciate the work you do, especially with you replying to this at midnight on a Friday!

Edited by SpillBlood

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17 hours ago, SpillBlood said:

Julien Lamy is down as an AMR/MR when he's generally a left winger.

Julien can play either side. Would just set AML/ML a couple below right hand side and add an AMC rating around 14 too. Would also add basic English.

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Coventry City  

Average attendance is currently set too high, in Birmingham in real life the club are averaging around 6,000 as shown in this screenshot. (Exeter and Walsall games are the cup competitions) 

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/coventry-city/attendances

I also think within the 5 year plan 'build a new stadium' should be in there, for the simple reason the owners are currently looking at doing that in real life and would add to the realism. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47560221

Edited by crawley900
Another realism fix

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Hi,

loving the game. Regarding peterborough please see below positional changes I’ve initially noticed

 

josh knight on loan from Leicester is a great CM who can play CB if need be rather than a predominant CB that could play CM.

 

Great youth prospect ricky jade-Jones is a striker not CM

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Knight's positional info has been given to me by people in charge of his development at Leicester. His loan at Peterborough is for his overall development, which includes playing DM for you.

jade-Jones position changed for the release version of the database.

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Andrea Borg seems to missing on my game. He should be at Peterborough

EDIT: Disregard. Bad info

Edited by Mr_Demus

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7 hours ago, crawley900 said:

Coventry City  

Average attendance is currently set too high, in Birmingham in real life the club are averaging around 6,000 as shown in this screenshot. (Exeter and Walsall games are the cup competitions) 

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/coventry-city/attendances

I also think within the 5 year plan 'build a new stadium' should be in there, for the simple reason the owners are currently looking at doing that in real life and would add to the realism. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47560221

Thanks - some good points there.

I'll discuss the future ground issue with the researcher. Average attendance was set in May to reflect the average attendance for last season, our usual protocol. I can adapt that for the ground share, and will do so for the Release version of FM2020.

 

 

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Burton Albion

Capacity is listed as 6,972, but all evidence online points to it being 6,912

 

Every player in the under 18's is 16 years old, when in reality, Tom Hewlett, Ciaran Gilligan, Tom Armitage, Emmanuel Shittu, Rueben Lal, Nathan Smith, Owen Hickson, Jack Holmes, Tyo Carter & Cael McDonnell are all second year scholars, so should all be 17/18.

 

See article from 2018 when they joined the under 18's

https://www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/news/2018/july/0307-scholars/

 

Chris Beardsley also made 1 appearance in the league last season - and I'd call his description as an impact sub generous, in reality he is an emergency backup.

 

Ben Fox is out injured until March, but in game this is until May/June

https://www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/news/2019/july/1607-fox/

 

Jack Livesey signed a 3 year contract in 2018, but is on non-contract terms in game

https://www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/teams/first-team/goalkeeper/jack-livesey2/

 

Callum Hawkins was ruled out for 7 months in July, but is not injured in game

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/burton/callum-hawkins-out-seven-months-3183920

 

I'd also say that Ben Garrat's 2* rating is fairly harsh, given that he's taken Bywater's place as 2nd choice keeper.

 

Oliver Sarkic's place of birth is listed as London, but according to his wiki he was born in Grimsby

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The Burton capacity, as with all EFL capacities, are those provided by the EFL's own Handbook.

Thanks for the details about the scholars. We've a new field in the database to cater for when no date of birth is known, but that appears not to be working. We're looking into it.

Beardsley's CA is easily the lowest for a non-scholar in the entire League One. I wouldn't worry too much about a description of him - but you can log that as an error. We don't have negative descriptions, so he's not listed as 'Burton are clearly short of players to have to throw on the fitness coach!'

The database is set for Fox to return 01/03/2020. This has been the setting all along. So, the issue is with the large range of possible return dates that the game reports. I wouldn't worry about that, worry about when he actually returns in the game. Which will be March.

Livesey - thanks, has been updated for the release.

Hawkins - also has been updated.

Garratt - we're happy with the rating the Crewe researcher gave him at this stage. if he's ahead of Bywater, it implies that Bywater is overrated, so I shall look into that.

Sarkic - official club website indeed states Grimsby. Thanks for pointing that out, it's been changed.

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Coventry City

U18 team has goalkeepers named Keelan Fallows and Keelan Fellows. Searching their website and googling around only the former seems to exist.

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Thanks RoPS83 - already aware and dealt with - will be correct in the release database. Thanks for reporting.

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On ‎02‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 22:57, rhys0204 said:

Burton Albion

Ethan Vale has the incorrect DOB - It's listed in game as 9/1/2000, but is actually 16/3/2001, as per https://www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/teams/first-team/midfielder/ethan-vale2/

Ben Hart also has the incorrect DOB - In game it's 18/12/2001, but is actually 26/9/2000 https://www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/teams/first-team/defender/ben-hart/

Thanks. Burton don't provide dates of birth for their Academy players, which his incredibly frustrating! Oh well. Have updated those two players, who were randomised dates of birth at an appropriate age group.

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Ipswich Town

Luke Garbutt is on a two year loan deal at Ipswich Town, with his contract with Everton expiring 31/5/21. This is inaccurate. He is on a 1 year loan at Ipswich with his contact expiring at the end of the 19/20 season with Everton. 

 

Sources:

 

https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2019/july/luke-garbutt-joins-ipswich-town/

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/town-set-to-sign-garbutt-on-loan-from-everton-1-6155491

 

Edited by Prongsie92

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Peterborough united:

Ivan Toney is definitely not 5'10, think he's more around 6'2 

 

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also peterborough away attendances are noticeably lower than real life such as taking only couple hundred to doncaster when since we've been in L1 together it's usually been around or at least 1k away fans at doncaster. 

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3 hours ago, FMpufc said:

also peterborough away attendances are noticeably lower than real life such as taking only couple hundred to doncaster when since we've been in L1 together it's usually been around or at least 1k away fans at doncaster. 

We don't set away attendances in the database.

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4 hours ago, FMpufc said:

Peterborough united:

Ivan Toney is definitely not 5'10, think he's more around 6'2 

 

Can you prove your point, please?

We've got 5'10 in the database as that is the height that has been publicly published for him. 

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18 hours ago, Gripper said:

Can you prove your point, please?

We've got 5'10 in the database as that is the height that has been publicly published for him. 

I don't what to do to prove it other than if you see pictures of him with Maddison or Eisa (who are both taller than him in game) he is noticeably taller than him. He's listed as 6'2 on FIFA as well, if that helps? 

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also it says in the rules terracing is not allowed in L1 stadiums and on matchdays in game no fans are allowed there yet multiple L1 teams use terracing on match days IRL such as peterborough, accrington burton etc.

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We're aware of that issue. Thanks for mentioning it.

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1 hour ago, FMpufc said:

I don't what to do to prove it other than if you see pictures of him with Maddison or Eisa (who are both taller than him in game) he is noticeably taller than him. He's listed as 6'2 on FIFA as well, if that helps? 

my link above image 11 proves he is taller. The internet has mixed data, he is over 6 ft for sure

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On 01/11/2019 at 10:28, Gripper said:

Regular reminder that you are playing the BETA database.

The RELEASE database is being maintained and updated as we speak, and will (of course) include the Southend managerial changes, which occurred after the deadline for the beta database.

Thanks for the info on Barratt's continuing injury. I have updated the end date now, for release.

as well as Barratt's injury, Isaac Hutchinson players everywhere across midfield, but especially CM and ACM. He's good technically and at set pieces, but weak physically

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