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3 hours ago, Gripper said:

When was he at Northampton? When was he at Hashtag United? Clearly, Hashtag United is not Northampton, so his time there should be treated as being at a different club.

He was announced as a Cobbler on Sept 14th 2018.

EDIT: That was his first pro contract. He went through the youth levels at Northampton, but joined Hashtag after winning their Hastag Academy competition in 2017. It's a grey area regarding his FM history as he was still effectively at both Northampton and Hashtag until he signed his pro contract.

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We know he signed at Northampton on 14/09/2018. That's in his profile already, that's what shows in the game.

He's not set as Homegrown as his whereabouts (Northampton, Hashtag etc) before that date are not proven, or not known. When they are known, the Homegrown code will fix itself.

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6 hours ago, MattyBlackett said:

Starting a new career with Morecambe and they have no Home Grown Club players and at least one is required to play any league games.

You'll need to look at their squad IRL and let SI know who counts as their HG players, and see if that player is wrong in the game.

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Ross Thorpe 94046103 and Micky Moore 30029337 are both missing from Chetlenham Town's staff list

 

Thorpe joined 15/2/19 from Solihull Moors which is where he is currently showing as in the database https://www.ctfc.com/news/2019/february/new-head-of-academy-coaching-appointed/ I would say this is a Head of Youth Development role within the game.

 

Moore joined as Head of Recruitment/Chief Scout around 1/10/18 https://www.ctfc.com/news/2018/october/micky-moore-appointed/

 I also think Moore has the wrong date of birth in the database as his non playing history matches up with the Cheltenham guy but the Cheltenham guy's DoB is 7/10/1973 born in Derby.  His playing career was 92/93 Derby Co 0/0 93/94 Swansea City 1/0 made his debut Vs Reading 26/3/94.  He also seems to be missing his short manager stint at Barrow and coaching role at Chester before he arrived at Cheltenham.

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On 09/11/2019 at 09:22, Matt_Ray said:

Stevenage starting finances seem a bit too low.  I don't have exact figures of what their current bank balance is but chairman Phil Wallace has been hard at work over the summer bringing money in - the sponsorship with (ugh) Burger King, the share drive, and the selling of the Academy's nursery to Gianluca Vialli's property management group, with Mr Wallace stating that these funds would be directly invest into the first team. 

The £600k bond-funded new North Stand is included in the db, but the separate share drive raised about £300k, on top of whatever was already there plus the sponsorship deal.  IIRC, Stevenage start the game with about £200k in the bank and a transfer budget of only £50k.  Season ticket sales are apparently also up 26% from last season but you may already have included that.

 

Sources:

https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/2019/august/share-in-our-future-equity-raise-closed-sky-bet-league-two-efl-friday-2nd-august-2019/ - "On top of the £600,000 bond for the North Stand, that makes nearly a million invested into the Club."

https://www.stevenagefc.com/news/2019/july/stevenage-football-club-shares-equity-raise-alex-tunbridge-sky-bet-league-two-efl-english-football-league/ - General summary, including references to the North Stand and season ticket sales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49003836 - Vialli involvement

Abridged Statement of Financial Position - If I'm reading it right (no guarantee I am!) it's saying Stevenage FC had £389k cash in the bank at the end of the 2018 financial year.

 

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England EFL League2

walsall FC u-18 team doctor - 'Markos Vlamis(Nationality is Greece)'

are two of them..

 

check data please

 

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A few more Cheltenham Town minor things

 

Archie Brennan is missing his loan spell at Lydney Town joined them 19th November 2018 played 2 games

Freddie Lapworth is also missing his loan spell at Lydney Town joined them 9th March 2019 played 7 games

also mentions in this article that Freddie is a Banbury United fan https://www.ctfc.com/news/2019/december/lapworth-on-his-loan-at-north-leigh-arsenal-and-first-team-opportunities/

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Danny Coogan is in the Walsall U23s twice. Just sent the same player on loan to two separate clubs. 

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George Hornshaw (Scunthorpe) is missing his loan with Gainsborough Trinity from then 18/19 season in his history. Joined 22/02/2019:   https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2019/february/hornshaw-makes-gainsborough-loan-move/

Also missing a loan with Farsley Celtic from the 18/19 season, joined them 28/09/2018: https://www.farsleyceltic.com/news/celts-sign-young-midfielder-from-scunthorpe-united-2351819.html

Rio Adebisi (Crewe) had a loan with Leek at the end of last season, joined 19/03/2019 until the end of the season: https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/leektown/news/baker-adds-adebisi-2407971.html

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Plymouth Argyle:

Am I missing the obvious or is the revamped mayflower stand not included? See no signs of capcaity rising above 12797 after the first half season / season.

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50 minutes ago, OnlyOdi said:

Plymouth Argyle:

Am I missing the obvious or is the revamped mayflower stand not included? See no signs of capcaity rising above 12797 after the first half season / season.

Get to January and it should have changed.

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On 15/12/2019 at 23:43, matt_neil41 said:

Get to January and it should have changed.

Thank you Matt.

I've not got to the January yet (Work has been hectic), but I also can't see an option to buy George Cooper when January comes, will that appear at the time too?

Source for the option to buy incase needed: Plymouth Live Source

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1 hour ago, OnlyOdi said:

Thank you Matt.

I've not got to the January yet (Work has been hectic), but I also can't see an option to buy George Cooper when January comes, will that appear at the time too?

Source for the option to buy incase needed: Plymouth Live Source

There's nothing out there with a definitive fee.  They spent a lot of money on him and can't see it being a small option in all honesty so didn't think it was worth adding in as personally can't see it being activated. If it does though, he'll obviously be a permanent signing in the next update.

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I'm playing Forest Green in FM 2020.  I entered the following roster for the match against Oldham on 8/3/19:

LThomas, Rawson, MMills, Bernard, Dawson, Morton, JMills, Collins, McCoulsky, Williams, Smith, Grubb, Stevens, Allen, Adams, Kitching, Mondal and McGinley.

None show up in the game as trained at the club so I got the notice that I needed at least one player trained at the club.  That makes sense.  However, this is the same 18 named in real life for this match (link here:https://www.google.com/search?q=forest+green+fixtures&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS754US754&oq=forest+&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l3j69i57j0l3j69i60.4296j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=m;/g/11hyt7086t;2;/m/0355r8;ln;fp;1;;).  So how did the real life Forest Green meet the requirement with the same players?  There is an exemption in the EFL rules  (link here: https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-5--fixtures/ - see 33.11-13).  Is it possible that Forest Green meets this exemption but that is not reflected in the game?

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Am 19.11.2019 um 04:54 schrieb BenW.:

Tyrell Warren, ex Man Utd is a Salford City player apparently. They never released the news of his signing but non-league Radcliffe FC announced last month they'd taken him on loan from there. https://www.radcliffefc.com/news/tyrell-warren-signs-on-loan-2477958.html

It seems loan has been extended as he played for Radcliffe on Dec. 17th: https://www.radcliffefc.com/teams/160505/match-centre/2-4481535/report

Mark Howarth is missing at Salford City as well, signing hasn't been reported by Salford, but Marine FC anounced a loan: https://www.marinefc.com/news/squad-update-2497714.html

Daniel Hawkins is missing at Salford City as well, signing hasn't been reported by Salford, but Stafford Rangers anounced a loan: https://www.staffordrangersfc.co.uk/stafford-rangers-2-0-radcliffe/

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Newest update shows Emmanuel Dieseruvwe is loaned from Salford to Salford, should be Oldham: https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2020/january/10012020-dieseruvwe-signing/

Loan of Dan Jones to Barrow is missing: https://www.barrowafc.com/dan-jones-is-back/

Loan of Martin Smith to Chorley is missing: https://twitter.com/chorleyfc/status/1219243206736580609

There's also a loan of Luke Burgess to Salford which is false, Salford loaned Cameron Burgess.

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18 hours ago, YasoKuul said:

Newest update shows Emmanuel Dieseruvwe is loaned from Salford to Salford, should be Oldham: https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/news/2020/january/10012020-dieseruvwe-signing/

Loan of Dan Jones to Barrow is missing: https://www.barrowafc.com/dan-jones-is-back/

Loan of Martin Smith to Chorley is missing: https://twitter.com/chorleyfc/status/1219243206736580609

There's also a loan of Luke Burgess to Salford which is false, Salford loaned Cameron Burgess.

Thanks for the feedback.

Jones was loaned on Feb 10th. That is after the transfer window, and is therefore a short-term loan, and NOT included in any data update.

Apologies for missing Smith's loan, and the Dieseruvwe error.

Burgess - appears as no 46 in the EFL list, was signed on loan in January, from Wigan. https://www.efl.com/siteassets/efl-documents/201920/squad-numbering-report-season-2019-20-07.02.20.pdf

Those will be fixed for the (second) February Data Update.

@YasoKuul - are you a Salford City supporter? If so, would you be interested in taking over the Salford City research for us?

Edited by Gripper
updated Burgess loan info

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@Gripper Thanks for prompt reaction, I'm a fan of "Class of 92" and it's fun to manage Salford City in FM. I live in Germany  and therefore can't assist with detailed research.

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Hayden White who currently plays for Mansfield has a CA of 13. I assume this should be 103? 

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On 24/02/2020 at 14:45, Craig_R.U.F.C said:

Hayden White who currently plays for Mansfield has a CA of 13. I assume this should be 103? 

Craig Davies is also low at 3, his RCA is 93

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White and Davies was an error on my part when analysing the strength of the Mansfield squad. That's been fixed for the imminent final data update.

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On 26/12/2019 at 04:06, SteveNewcastle said:

I'm playing Forest Green in FM 2020.  I entered the following roster for the match against Oldham on 8/3/19:

LThomas, Rawson, MMills, Bernard, Dawson, Morton, JMills, Collins, McCoulsky, Williams, Smith, Grubb, Stevens, Allen, Adams, Kitching, Mondal and McGinley.

None show up in the game as trained at the club so I got the notice that I needed at least one player trained at the club.  That makes sense.  However, this is the same 18 named in real life for this match (link here:https://www.google.com/search?q=forest+green+fixtures&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS754US754&oq=forest+&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l3j69i57j0l3j69i60.4296j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=m;/g/11hyt7086t;2;/m/0355r8;ln;fp;1;;).  So how did the real life Forest Green meet the requirement with the same players?  There is an exemption in the EFL rules  (link here: https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-5--fixtures/ - see 33.11-13).  Is it possible that Forest Green meets this exemption but that is not reflected in the game?

I had a similar issue with Crawley on 20.3

The club has no U18 side and there is no member of the first team or U23 squad with HGC status. A player search generated just two players in my 128,000 database that had this status but one was too expensive (and not wanted/needed) and one was a pretty poor GK from New Zealand that (according to FM player history) has had no club for 6-7 years.

As the first game of the season came around, I was only able to name six substitutes and that will be the case throughout the entire season. I don't mind having that now and again (at FGR a couple of versions ago I had to name an under-par youngster on the bench just to boost numbers) but a whole season 'one man short' at Crawley seems harsh.

I'm not an expert on Crawley, but unless one of their younger players is missing HGC status it would be a long and frustrating season managing them in game. For the record, they don't have any HGC status players at the club out on loan according to what I find, thus the exemption above is not relevant at Crawley. 

Can anybody from SI or the FGR/Crawley researchers add anything? I don't know how they are avoiding this criteria and/or avoiding a fine or penalties in real life unless some data is wrong in the game. As it stands, I think I will have to ditch that save after one league game.

Thanks.

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I've checked through the Crawley Town squad, and none of them fit the HGC ruling.

I'll have to contact the EFL to ask whether Crawley are exempt for any reason.

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Not sure if this is the right thread, but on the latest DB.. Ronnie Henry [564944] is at Stevenage as a Youth coach.

He signed for Billercay [4002011] last summer as a player and captain, https://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/18113595.ronnie-henry-no-regrets-move-billericay-town/

 

Here is a link to their most recent game which shows him in the starting line up (he's played 20 times for them this season) https://www.phoenixfm.com/2020/03/01/draw-eastbourne-sees-billericay-slip/

 

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3 hours ago, Gripper said:

I've checked through the Crawley Town squad, and none of them fit the HGC ruling.

I'll have to contact the EFL to ask whether Crawley are exempt for any reason.

Thanks Gripper. I cannot see that they qualify under the interesting 33.12 exemption from outward transfers of any HGC player either.

Edit: I see that ever since the EFL game against Colchester on 1st January 2020, they have named only six subs. However against Colchester they named seven and going back to the season opener at Carlisle in August, they named seven. Perhaps one of these 18 players (Brian Galach?) does/did/should have HGC status?

https://www.crawleytownfc.com/matches/fixtures/first-team/201920/january/colchester-united-vs-crawley-town-on-01-jan-20/

https://www.crawleytownfc.com/matches/fixtures/first-team/201920/august/carlisle-united-vs-crawley-town-on-03-aug-19/

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On ‎04‎/‎03‎/‎2020 at 15:58, Barkermush said:

Not sure if this is the right thread, but on the latest DB.. Ronnie Henry [564944] is at Stevenage as a Youth coach.

He signed for Billercay [4002011] last summer as a player and captain, https://www.echo-news.co.uk/sport/18113595.ronnie-henry-no-regrets-move-billericay-town/

 

Here is a link to their most recent game which shows him in the starting line up (he's played 20 times for them this season) https://www.phoenixfm.com/2020/03/01/draw-eastbourne-sees-billericay-slip/

 

We decided to keep Henry at Stevenage, the higher club. We don't currently cater for people being at two different clubs, one as a player and the other as a non-player, so that was the choice we made.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gripper said:

We decided to keep Henry at Stevenage, the higher club. We don't currently cater for people being at two different clubs, one as a player and the other as a non-player, so that was the choice we made.

 

 

Thanks for the response :) as far as I can gather he's not at both clubs, he's left Stevenage completely.. every report and article says about him leaving.

Speaking about his departure, Ronnie Henry issued the following statement. “First of all I would like to thank all the fans and the general Stevenage public for their amazing support over the years

I doubt he would find the time to train with Billericay/ regularly travel/play for them (which he has been doing since joining) and do coaching at Stevenage ;)

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Leyton Orient:

I think there’s an issue with the club vision when you start a new save.

The expectations of the 19/20 season is that you reach the playoffs, however the expectation for the 20/21 season is to finish mid table. Can this be right?

Even if it is correct, there is no way the board expected playoffs this season in real life after Justin Edinburgh passed away. It would have been mid table at best and they’ve stated that multiple times. 

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On 15/03/2020 at 10:50, OrientTillIDie said:

Leyton Orient:

I think there’s an issue with the club vision when you start a new save.

The expectations of the 19/20 season is that you reach the playoffs, however the expectation for the 20/21 season is to finish mid table. Can this be right?

Even if it is correct, there is no way the board expected playoffs this season in real life after Justin Edinburgh passed away. It would have been mid table at best and they’ve stated that multiple times. 

What's currently entered is:

Making playoffs - 19/20

Make League 1 by 4 seasons time (so 23/24 I guess).

Maybe there's a bug there if it's asking for mid-table?

Regarding this seasons expectations, I feel like Teague suggests something different in every outlet he communicates through, but in this programme from Janaury he did state his expectations were playoffs which was when the data was done. I appreciate Travis is somewhat less ambitious, but I've assigned the ambitions to Teague as he's the money man so arguably holds more power. 

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Just a couple of minor things that I noticed with Grimsby so far:

Elliot Grandin is down as having a "Part-Time" contract. I think this should be full time, to go with everyone else that is at Grimsby.

Ben Davies is down as U23 manager, but I think his primary job should be U23 manager, but with a secondary job as coach. https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/january/davies-joins-coaching-staff-on-permanent-basis/

 

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I noticed Alfie Saunders of Forest Green is in game despite only being 15? - he’s moved to Aldershot today as well with a few others.

 

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5 hours ago, lbowman6 said:

I noticed Alfie Saunders of Forest Green is in game despite only being 15? - he’s moved to Aldershot today as well with a few others.

 

If he's been a scholar for the last two years he'll be 17 or 18.

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18 hours ago, matt_neil41 said:

If he's been a scholar for the last two years he'll be 17 or 18.

This suggests otherwise.

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On 13/05/2020 at 18:50, RoCCo_42 said:

In Official database birth date is 31.08.2003

I think true birth date is 16.10.2001

https://www.footballdatabase.eu/en/player/details/394052-alfie-saunders

 

He had a loan spell at Basingstoke Town and from this spell I have been led to believe that his date of birth is 16/10/2001 also

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Tom Chamberlain at Cheltenham Town date of birth is 1/6/2002

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Nathan Ferguson (Crawley) is missing some details from his history.

He had a loan with Chelmsford from Dagenham in the 2013/2014 season where he made one league appearance without scoring after joining on 13/08/2013: https://www.saintsstatistics.co.uk/index.php/pictures-video/video/player2/playerlisa/1772/?season=95

He had a loan with St Albans from Dagenham in the 2013/2014 season where he made four league appearances without scoring after joining on 23/12/2013: https://www.saintsstatistics.co.uk/index.php/pictures-video/video/player2/playerlisa/1772/?season=95

He is missing his time with Bromley in the 16/17 season when he joined them 07/03/2017 although he didn't make a league appearance: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39199520

While at Bromley he was loaned to Folkestone Invicta  where he made three league appearances scoring 1 goal:  http://www.folkestoneinvictafc.co.uk/20167-appearances

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Percy Kiangebeni (Colchester) is missing his appearance data for the 18/19 season with St Albans, he made 19 appearances scoring one goal: https://www.saintsstatistics.co.uk/index.php/pictures-video/video/player2/playerlisa/2235/?season=100

Nathan Ralph (Southend) is missing a loan with St Albans from Peterborough in the 2011/2012 season. He made seven league appearances without scoring: https://www.saintsstatistics.co.uk/index.php/pictures-video/video/player2/playerlisa/1196/?season=93

Edited by Timma

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Josh Askew, just released by Salford City, is missing a couple of loans from his history.

14/10/2016 - 22/01/2017 - Ramsbottom (loan). Not sure on appearances or goals.

24/01/2017 - 30/06/2017 (end of season) - Warrington Town (loan) , 10 appearances, 0 goals

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