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Please post any data issues related to Serbia here.

As much of the data is subjective we’d ask that you respect everyone’s opinion and accept that the final decision is that of our club researchers and our heads of research.          

We also request you please adhere to the following three point plan when posting in the data topics:

·        State what you think is specifically wrong with a particular piece of data.              

·        State what you think the data should be.                            

·        State reasons/proof for your suggested corrections/improvements.                         

Please note that any non-data issues for Serbia should be posted in the appropriate thread within the League Specific Issues Forum. This would include issues such as league scheduling and league rules.

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Nikola Jankovic 62080451 - FK Indjija

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Hey everyone ,im playing with Red Star Belgrade and my Marko Marin is a FGN player even tho his second nationality(in real life) is Serbian so he doesnt take the spot for us as a foreign in real life,but as i said ,in-game he does.

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Three clubs with wrong names:

FK Habitfarm Javor should be FK Javor-Matis

FK Čukarički Stankom should be FK Čukarički

FK Spartak Zlatibor Voda should be FK Spartak Ždrepčeva krv 

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On 08/11/2019 at 09:23, nikolaww said:

Three clubs with wrong names:

FK Habitfarm Javor should be FK Javor-Matis

FK Čukarički Stankom should be FK Čukarički

FK Spartak Zlatibor Voda should be FK Spartak Ždrepčeva krv 

 

No, all of them have correct names in the database. You are probably using an outdated file that fixes club names. Please report bugs found in the original game data, not the external add-ons. Thanks!

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Miroslav Radovic (aged 35) is retired in-game, but he never announced his retirement. However, he also didn't state what he's planning to do after he left his last club.

Last month he claimed to have an offer from a person dealing with player management (presumably an agent looking for scouts), but there's been no news on whether he picked up on it. - (starts at 0:55)

 

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On 04/11/2019 at 18:40, Toplica said:

Found an error with player Herve Amani's age. He's been listed in the game as born in 1991 when in fact he was born in 1997.

Herve Amani ID: 62220440

https://www.transfermarkt.us/herve-amani/profil/spieler/535005

He used to play for Javor.

Herve Amani and his football agent/agency are fakers,they made a fake IDs to him,with 6 years less than reality.Most of his career he spent in North Cyprus,and in their FA was in jurisdiction of Turkish FA he had documents with 1991. after some while he came at Serbia wich documents as 1997.

https://www.tff.org/Default.aspx?pageId=30&kisiId=1679650

His picture is removed,but simple google search by this name and club and it will show you same guy.

Now he is gone back to North Cyprus and voila.He changed his documents.

http://www.ktff.org/InfoBank/PlayerDetails/14565

Same case was with Augustine Nwagwu from Nigeria.He faked his ID with 7 years less than reality.He also was playing at North Cyprus,so too many coincidenses.At this link was his FA registration at Nigeria,while he was playing for Rhapsody and with date of birth 1989.

https://nigerianationwideleague.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/RHAPSODY-FC-NWAGWU-EJIKE.jpg

Now Nwagwu is playing at Poland,with date of birth in 1996.

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On 12/11/2019 at 21:24, KibolLP said:

Miroslav Radovic (aged 35) is retired in-game, but he never announced his retirement. However, he also didn't state what he's planning to do after he left his last club.

Last month he claimed to have an offer from a person dealing with player management (presumably an agent looking for scouts), but there's been no news on whether he picked up on it. - (starts at 0:55)

 

Thanks, but then I do not see a bug here - he is much closer to being a non-player than to being a player...

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Strahinja Pavlovic (Partizan) is right footed in the game while he is left footed in real life.

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On 26/11/2019 at 19:36, Craduco said:

Strahinja Pavlovic (Partizan) is right footed in the game while he is left footed in real life.

This was logged as a bug a couple of weeks ago, it will be fixed for the patch. Thanks.

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15 minutes ago, Dusan Stamenkovic said:

This was logged as a bug a couple of weeks ago, it will be fixed for the patch. Thanks.

Great! Would I have to start a new save when the new update comes?

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6 minutes ago, Craduco said:

Great! Would I have to start a new save when the new update comes?

The data update will come after the winter transfer window, and yes, I believe you would have to start a new game for any data updates...

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10 hours ago, Dusan Stamenkovic said:

The data update will come after the winter transfer window, and yes, I believe you would have to start a new game for any data updates...

Surely a fix for something like this would not be tied to the winter transfer data update.

We should be able to start a save with the original database (pre winter transfers) and have data issued sorted.

I understand that the fix may come in March, if that's when they get around to it, but can you confirm if one will be able to start a save with Pavlovic being left footed without having to have winter transfers in the game?

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5 hours ago, DrIgz said:

Surely a fix for something like this would not be tied to the winter transfer data update.

We should be able to start a save with the original database (pre winter transfers) and have data issued sorted.

I understand that the fix may come in March, if that's when they get around to it, but can you confirm if one will be able to start a save with Pavlovic being left footed without having to have winter transfers in the game?

 

The next time when the SI will accept the data from our database will be for the winter transfer update, not before that - therefore, whatever I do in the database will be visible in March. 

I logged this as a bug on 5 November, and I hoped that someone would be able to fix it centrally prior to release, but that did not happen, I guess there were issues of higher priority compared to one player's footedness.

What I am saying is that I have no way to fix it before the winter update, if someone in the SI team else does, I have nothing against it. In case you are starting a new game now, please feel free to fix this issue in the editor.

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On 01/11/2019 at 17:14, DjafteKurafte said:

Hey everyone ,im playing with Red Star Belgrade and my Marko Marin is a FGN player even tho his second nationality(in real life) is Serbian so he doesnt take the spot for us as a foreign in real life,but as i said ,in-game he does.

I forgot to respond to this one - we double checked and Marko Marin is treated as a foreigner, he does not hold a Serbian passport.

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On 13/12/2019 at 23:41, Dusan Stamenkovic said:

I forgot to respond to this one - we double checked and Marko Marin is treated as a foreigner, he does not hold a Serbian passport.

Okay cool,no worries ,is the bug when Serbia goes in EU but players are still FGN fixed? Or is it going to be sorted in some patch soon? Thanks.

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On 26/12/2019 at 14:04, DjafteKurafte said:

Okay cool,no worries ,is the bug when Serbia goes in EU but players are still FGN fixed? Or is it going to be sorted in some patch soon? Thanks.

It has been logged and, as far as I know, the coders are working on it. Thanks.

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Hi Dušan, i'll try to start with some suggestions for my hometown team Vojvodina. I believe there are many differences when it comes with players. 

Emil Rockov - player value 220k in game. In real life 1.5mil according https://www.transfermarkt.com/emil-rockov/profil/spieler/197520 
Played 1 national game. Currently it is considered that he ain't. 

Mladen Devetak - player value 145k in game. In real life 1mil https://www.transfermarkt.com/mladen-devetak/profil/spieler/376452
His contract expires 2021, in game it says on 2020. 
Played 2 games for national u21 selection 
Don't know how are stats are calculated, but his are awful in FM. Playing almost all games this season as wing back, as well for u21 national team. I believe he needs some improvement, and not considered as CD, because he didn't play at that position since his really young age. He is fully retrained as wing back.

Sinisa Sanicanin - player value 145k. In real life 800k https://www.transfermarkt.com/sinisa-sanicanin/profil/spieler/258290
His contract expires 2021, in game it says on 2020.

Djordje Djuric - player value 77k in game, 250k in real life https://www.transfermarkt.com/djordje-djuric/profil/spieler/139728
His contract expires 2025, in game it says on 2021. 

Nikola Vasiljevic - 125k value in game. In rea life 200k https://www.transfermarkt.com/nikola-vasiljevic/profil/spieler/129419
His contract expires 2020, in game it says on 2021. 

Arandjel Stojkovic - 145k in game value - 800k in real life https://www.transfermarkt.com/arandjel-stojkovic/profil/spieler/298671

Height 182cm in real life, in game 180cm

His contract expires 2020, in game it says on 2021. 

Marko Djurisic - 81k in game value, 500k in real life https://www.transfermarkt.com/marko-djurisic/profil/spieler/423950

Main position DM as DLP, in game natural only as CM

Ognjen Djuricin - 155k in game value, 800k in real life

His contract expires 2021, in game it says on 2020. 

Main position as Left Winger as IF or IW, other positons as AM or RW.  Played most games as winger, only one as AM

Miodrag Gemovic -  150k in game value, 500k in real life https://www.transfermarkt.com/miodrag-gemovic/profil/spieler/339483

His contract expires 2022, in game it says on 2021. 

Main position as Left Winger as IF or IW, other positons as Striker or RW.  Played most games as left winger

Mihajlo Neskovic - 195k in game, 500k in real life https://www.transfermarkt.com/mihajlo-neskovic/profil/spieler/469828

His contract expires 2022, in game it says on 2023. 

Main position as Left Winger as IF or IW, other positons as AM or RW.  Played most games as left winger

Nemanja Covic - 180k in game value, 300k in real life https://www.transfermarkt.com/nemanja-covic/profil/spieler/128315

His contract expires 2022, in game it says on 2021. 

Recovered from long term injury, played most friendly games during winter preparations and top goalscorer 

More info about stats, new signings and departures during winter break: https://www.021.rs/story/Novi-Sad/Sport/234263/Vosine-pripreme-u-brojkama-Koliko-igraca-je-doslo-otislo-pobede-remiji-strelci.html

I used mostly transfermarkt as proofs, but please note that i watched most of home games this season and i would agree with their infos. And as well i am working for Media House 021 (radio and web portal 021) and we are in close cooperation with Fk Vojvodina. 

I hope this suggestion would come in consideration, because i believe there is some big differences when it comes data in real life and in game. I know it is hard to adjust all the data, specially when it comes to valuation, but it's a big thing when a  player is valued 200k and not 1 mil or so. 

Edited by Hvylarn

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Hi - the database deadline was 9 days ago, so I have no control over the database.

Player values are not set in the database player-by-player, the game determines them using several criteria, but there is no way a researcher can set a player's value.

Please note that transfermarkt values are also estimates, they are not "real life" values.

The national caps/goals snapshot date for FM2020 is 30/6/2019 - Emir Rockov earned his one cap 3 months later than that, so he should have 0 caps in FM2020. The same goes for Mladen Devetak, he earned his 3 caps (not 2) after the snapshot date.

Nikola Vasiljevic left Vojvodina 3 months ago.

I have noted the other changes and will enter them as soon as possible.

Thank you for your time.

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Hi Dušan, thanks for answer. 

I understand about values, as i sad i believe it is hard to determine exact number. But you must admit it is a big difference. 

Sad news about caps.. We'll wait for FM21 for those corrections. 

I hope they at least change the correct positions of players. 



 

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Thank you, Hvylarn.

Yes, I can easily admit that there is a difference between the in-game prices and Transfermarkt prices, but I cannot say that Transfermarkt prices are real-life prices, they are just estimates based on different factors.

Anyway, player prices should generally go up in Serbia after the data patch.

I have logged in the position changes, but I am not sure if they will be there for the patch, as I am not the one who can make them at this point.

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Miljan Vukadinovic injured 3 months and Nemanja Covic injured 10 months on new update.. Both recovered long time ago :( 

I guess it is considered that it is on beginning of the season? 

Edited by Hvylarn

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I see a lot of improvements when it comes to positions and roles! Thanks Dusan! 

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On 20/02/2020 at 16:09, Hvylarn said:

Miljan Vukadinovic injured 3 months and Nemanja Covic injured 10 months on new update.. Both recovered long time ago :( 

I guess it is considered that it is on beginning of the season? 

In the database, Vukadinovic's injury is set until July, and Covic's until Febraury (Covic played no games between May 2019 and Feb 2020).

Injury's are not removed from the database, as we need to keep full injury records, so this is not a bug. 

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Milinko Pantic (id: 3503762):

92/93 Panionios Neas Smyrnis 30-15

91/92 Panionios Neas Smyrnis 32-11

90/91(b) Olimpija Ljubljana 14-0

90/91(a) Partizan Beograd 9-1

89/90 Partizan Beograd 22-2

88/89 Partizan Beograd 0-0

87/88 Partizan Beograd 10-3

86/87 Partizan Beograd 15-3

85/86 Partizan Beograd 9-2

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/14814/Milinko_Pantic.htmlI)

 

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3 hours ago, Nørbæk said:

Vladimir Petkovic' playing history is missing.

some of the details can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Petković

This should probably go in the Swiss thread as he is based in Switzerland in the DB

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11 minutes ago, Kanwulf said:

This should probably go in the Swiss thread as he is based in Switzerland in the DB

done

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Radojko Avramovic (id: 5632377) full history found below

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/21912/Radojko_Avramovic.html

 

Ilija Zavisic (id: 5740480):

85/86 Rad Beograd 21-3

84/85 Rad Beograd 24-4

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/21942/Ilija_Zavisic.html

 

Zivan Ljukovcan (id: 5757982) full history found below

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/21364/Zivan_Ljukovcan.html

 

Vladan Radaca (id: 5742413) missing history found below

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/21355/Vladan_Radaca.html

 

Miodrag Radovic (id: 5742404) full history found below

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/21562/Miodrag_Radovic.html

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Misko Mirkovic (id: 451932) missing years found below

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/16598/Misko_Mirkovic.html

 

Marko Perovic (id: 601789):

98/99(a) Vitesse Arnhem 12-0

97/98 Vitesse Arnhem 28-14

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/10669/Marko_Perovic.html

 

Sasa Kovacevic (id: 120767) missing history found below

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/11077/Sasa_Kovacevic.html

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Thanks a lot!

Milinko Pantic is based in Spain, I cannot edit him. The same goes for Zoran Maric, who is based in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

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On 05/06/2020 at 19:57, Dusan Stamenkovic said:

Thanks a lot!

Milinko Pantic is based in Spain, I cannot edit him. The same goes for Zoran Maric, who is based in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Maybe ask the relevant HRs to fix them?

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On 06/06/2020 at 21:50, Nørbæk said:

Maybe ask the relevant HRs to fix them?

Done.

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