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Please post any data issues related to Wales here.

As much of the data is subjective we’d ask that you respect everyone’s opinion and accept that the final decision is that of our club researchers and our heads of research.          

We also request you please adhere to the following three point plan when posting in the data topics:

·        State what you think is specifically wrong with a particular piece of data.              

·        State what you think the data should be.                            

·        State reasons/proof for your suggested corrections/improvements.                         

Please note that any non-data issues for Wales should be posted in the appropriate thread within the League Specific Issues Forum. This would include issues such as league scheduling and league rules.

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Not sure if this is the right place, but I'll fire it in anyways.

 

Cambrian and Clydach in Cymru South have a blank facilities page, nothing on there at all. Media reports list ground as stadium#1 for example.

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Thanks @gavinski33

The release database has C&C's stadium correctly assigned. It has been done, but too late to go into the BETA version of the database.

The kits are also done for the RELEASE version of the database. Many more changes to the second level in Wales will be visible in the Release version of the game, due out later this month.

 

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Hailsham Town (England) and Ynysygerwn should be set as affiliated clubs. We have been sharing our season stories in matchday programmes etc since the start of this season, and If both I and my fellow Secretary at Ynysygerwn have anything to do with it, the annual friendlies start in the summer of 2020!

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I'll log this. Thanks, I was completely unaware. Nice story. 

If you are involved with Ynysygerwn and want to help us improve data, please be forthcoming with feedback and suggestions! Thanks. :)

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Not sure if this is the right place, but John Toshack's profile/biography has him listed as managing Catania Calcio in 1965, the year he joined Cardiff as a player. 

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Edited by Kreindeker

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i think this is a bug but not to sure TNS start with 13K wage total but a wage budget of 33k which seems a massive difference

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On ‎02‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 18:20, Kreindeker said:

Not sure if this is the right place, but John Toshack's profile/biography has him listed as managing Catania Calcio in 1965, the year he joined Cardiff as a player. 

20191102181416_1.jpg

Toshack non-player history now updated - Catania dates were not set, causing the issue.

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22 minutes ago, lbowman6 said:

David Adams should be Director of Football for the Wales National team?

https://www.faw.cymru/en/news/faw-tr/

We do not include Technical Directors for national teams in FM2020.

By all means you can suggest it as a Feature Request for further games, explain what jobs and roles you would expect such a person to do in FM.

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On 02/11/2019 at 18:59, Jamescurtis said:

i think this is a bug but not to sure TNS start with 13K wage total but a wage budget of 33k which seems a massive difference

I will log this, that is too high.

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Data Analyst James Turner not in game. Currently employed by Welsh National Football team.

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6 minutes ago, jimmy281294 said:

Data Analyst James Turner not in game. Currently employed by Welsh National Football team.

Aware of this, thanks

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41 minutes ago, alexob99 said:

Llanelli Town A.F.C has 1005 seats in its stadium not 680

link below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stebonheath_Park

Brilliant, thank you! I'll just double check it as I vaguely remember something about some seating was removed? Good spot though!

Update: have checked this with the club directly and they have said it's definitely not 1005. 

Edited by Colorado
update

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On ‎04‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 14:40, Gripper said:

We do not include Technical Directors for national teams in FM2020.

By all means you can suggest it as a Feature Request for further games, explain what jobs and roles you would expect such a person to do in FM.

Okay,

 

Rob Page & Paul Bodin and Rob Edwards should also be on the national staff?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49414473

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Rob Edwards is done

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Tom King 29087448 needs Wales adding as his nationality after his call up.

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Here I am again,second year in a row,with the same thing.Last year I was contacting Adam Squire,before winter update,and after it stays undone,I did it again in here but no luck,or simply no one cares.I wrote about that hekre,but can't-don't have permission to view it.Maybe you guys can.

At first there was doubled Kerry Nicholas 74017477 (Wales product) and Kerry Nicholas 29074663 (English product). After that Wales one survived and English one is lost,I don't know if he is in db still.

Starting from FM 2016 some Wales researcher messed up (probably I would say something worse than that word) with originaly Kerry Nicholas 74017477 (now Craig Morris)

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2015/player/74017477/kerry-nicholas

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2016/player/74017477/craig-morris

even we had original Craig Morris 74002019

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2018/player/74002019/craig-morris

Would someone PLEASE  be kind and fix them as they should be from the start.

Kerry Nicholas 74017477 is born in Swansea or Neath on 24/10/1992 ,nationality is Wales.

Playing history:

2008 Swansea (Youth) 724

2009 West Bromwich Albion (Youth) 734

2010 Neath 350030

2011 Neath 3 /0 350030

2012 Carmarthen Town 4/0  1301340

2013 Port Talbot Town 1/0  350027

2013 (2) Haverfordwest County 114804

2014 Haverfordwest County 114804

2015 Briton Ferry Llansawel 74009639

Staff history:

2016 Swansea U23 Physio 724

2017 Swansea U23 Physio 724

2018 Briton Ferry Llansawel 74009639 Sports Science\Head Physio

2019 Briton Ferry Llansawel 74009639 Sports Science\Head Physio

 

Craig Morris 74002019 nickname Hovis is born in Carmarthen on 27/07/1981

History:

2003 Ammanford AFC 5/0     351079
2004 Ammanford AFC 34/0    351079
2005 Ammanford AFC 1/0    351079
2006 Aberystwyth Town    1927
2007 Neath FC 34/0    350030
2008 Llanelli AFC 15/0    1939
2009 Llanelli AFC 8/0    1939
2010 Neath FC 22/0   350030
2011 Afan Lido 6/0    1928
2012 Llanelli AFC 27/0    1939
2013 Merthyr Town    94013827

   

2014 Havefordwest 6/0 114804
2015 Havefordwest 7/0 114804
2016 Llanelli Town     74032559
2017 Llanelli Town  15/0     74032559
2018 Ammanford AFC 36/0     351079
2019 Ammanford AFC 12/0     351079

Please guys solve situation with these two...

 

   
   

 

     

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2 hours ago, BajaHater said:

Here I am again,second year in a row,with the same thing.Last year I was contacting Adam Squire,before winter update,and after it stays undone,I did it again in here but no luck,or simply no one cares.I wrote about that hekre,but can't-don't have permission to view it.Maybe you guys can.

At first there was doubled Kerry Nicholas 74017477 (Wales product) and Kerry Nicholas 29074663 (English product). After that Wales one survived and English one is lost,I don't know if he is in db still.

Starting from FM 2016 some Wales researcher messed up (probably I would say something worse than that word) with originaly Kerry Nicholas 74017477 (now Craig Morris)

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2015/player/74017477/kerry-nicholas

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2016/player/74017477/craig-morris

even we had original Craig Morris 74002019

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2018/player/74002019/craig-morris

Would someone PLEASE  be kind and fix them as they should be from the start.

Kerry Nicholas 74017477 is born in Swansea or Neath on 24/10/1992 ,nationality is Wales.

Playing history:

2008 Swansea (Youth) 724

2009 West Bromwich Albion (Youth) 734

2010 Neath 350030

2011 Neath 3 /0 350030

2012 Carmarthen Town 4/0  1301340

2013 Port Talbot Town 1/0  350027

2013 (2) Haverfordwest County 114804

2014 Haverfordwest County 114804

2015 Briton Ferry Llansawel 74009639

Staff history:

2016 Swansea U23 Physio 724

2017 Swansea U23 Physio 724

2018 Briton Ferry Llansawel 74009639 Sports Science\Head Physio

2019 Briton Ferry Llansawel 74009639 Sports Science\Head Physio

 

Craig Morris 74002019 nickname Hovis is born in Carmarthen on 27/07/1981

History:

2003 Ammanford AFC 5/0     351079
2004 Ammanford AFC 34/0    351079
2005 Ammanford AFC 1/0    351079
2006 Aberystwyth Town    1927
2007 Neath FC 34/0    350030
2008 Llanelli AFC 15/0    1939
2009 Llanelli AFC 8/0    1939
2010 Neath FC 22/0   350030
2011 Afan Lido 6/0    1928
2012 Llanelli AFC 27/0    1939
2013 Merthyr Town    94013827

   

2014 Havefordwest 6/0 114804
2015 Havefordwest 7/0 114804
2016 Llanelli Town     74032559
2017 Llanelli Town  15/0     74032559
2018 Ammanford AFC 36/0     351079
2019 Ammanford AFC 12/0     351079

Please guys solve situation with these two...

 

   
   

 

     

Thanks we will look into it when we get the databases back.

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14 minutes ago, SP2020 said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohei_Kato

Kohei Kato plays for St Joseph FC in Gibraltar not St Joseph(Cardiff)

:lol: I put the request in for St Joseph's (GIB). Thanks for letting me know.

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Are you able to post issues with Football Manager Mobile 2020 data in this thread as well i.e does it cover Full, Touch and mobile versions to post info on?

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Yes, it's all from same database so feedback/issues/suggestions are all welcome. 

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Sorry but i just scrolling around and see this guy. I think this is a mistake, dont think he vietnamese at all. 

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7 hours ago, anhminh157 said:

Sorry but i just scrolling around and see this guy. I think this is a mistake, dont think he vietnamese at all. 

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Sorted spoke to him and he's defo Welsh :D

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Hi,

Specifically relating to Football Manager Mobile 2020, thanks loads for including the Cymru North and South on the mobile version, I appreciate the depth of research that must go into assembling the data on minor leagues.

One thing that is frustrating with regard to the Mobile version (Not sure if it is the same on the full game) is the 22nd of July season start date. On every other FMM game going back to the start of the Welsh League being included it has been a early July (1st to 7th) start, the Scottish, Northern Irish and English leagues all that run along a similar schedule season wise all start on the 1st of July (Even the Northern Irish lowest league). I am referring to just doing a Welsh League game, not combining leagues when you do have different staggered start dates if you run two different leagues (ie Irish and Scottish have different season timings)

What it does is mean on the 22nd July when you start you literally have days before your 1st game and not much longer before your 1st competitive game and so much of the game starting out is sorting your squad out with sales, loans, releasing, buying etc... you also have nearly half of the transfer window gone and you would of played a couple of friendlies which you have no control over before the game starts, I have even started a game as Gap Connahs Quay and they have played Euro fixtures before you even get a chance to have any influence.

It would be great if you where able to come back on this as it does not seem to make any sense to me?

Cheers.

 

(I have also posted this on the main board as I did not know if it was a game issue not research issue)

Edited by sammummery

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Wales' record for most national team goals in a season (which is calendar year) is missing. It seems to be Gareth Bale with 7 goals in 11 matches in 2016. I've checked the most obvious ones but couldn't find the stats of Trevor Ford. As he scored 23 goals in only 38 matches, he might be worth chasing. He scored them over a period of 10 years, though, so they've likely not played many games per year.

Fill the info in the 'Most Overall Goals by a Player in a Season' record and use 1 Jan as start date and 31 Dec as end date in that particular year.

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On 26/11/2019 at 08:44, sammummery said:

Hi,

Specifically relating to Football Manager Mobile 2020, thanks loads for including the Cymru North and South on the mobile version, I appreciate the depth of research that must go into assembling the data on minor leagues.

One thing that is frustrating with regard to the Mobile version (Not sure if it is the same on the full game) is the 22nd of July season start date. On every other FMM game going back to the start of the Welsh League being included it has been a early July (1st to 7th) start, the Scottish, Northern Irish and English leagues all that run along a similar schedule season wise all start on the 1st of July (Even the Northern Irish lowest league). I am referring to just doing a Welsh League game, not combining leagues when you do have different staggered start dates if you run two different leagues (ie Irish and Scottish have different season timings)

What it does is mean on the 22nd July when you start you literally have days before your 1st game and not much longer before your 1st competitive game and so much of the game starting out is sorting your squad out with sales, loans, releasing, buying etc... you also have nearly half of the transfer window gone and you would of played a couple of friendlies which you have no control over before the game starts, I have even started a game as Gap Connahs Quay and they have played Euro fixtures before you even get a chance to have any influence.

It would be great if you where able to come back on this as it does not seem to make any sense to me?

Cheers.

 

(I have also posted this on the main board as I did not know if it was a game issue not research issue)

Any thoughts on this?

Thank you,

Sam

 

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@sammummery , sorry now replying. I will of course raise this, out of interest what date do you feel would be suitable?

I see you noted the first week of July as the start date for other British leagues but this season, the actual first Europa League qualifying round commenced on 27th June.

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20 hours ago, Colorado said:

@sammummery , sorry now replying. I will of course raise this, out of interest what date do you feel would be suitable?

I see you noted the first week of July as the start date for other British leagues but this season, the actual first Europa League qualifying round commenced on 27th June.

Thanks for coming back to me, I would be happy with the 1st of July (the same start date every year before on FMM/Handheld) you are right i about the 27th of June as I recall in previous years the Welsh teams in the Europa League would have played a game by the time you started on the 1st of July. (I just assumed the 1st of July was the universal start date for the UK leagues) Obviously the issue with starting on the 22nd of July makes this even worse and not only means you have no influence on up to 6 Euro fixtures but it also simply is not enough time to prepare for the first game. I can only think the 22nd of July start date was an error, given nothing has changed with the Welsh League and it has always been the 1st before this.

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On 13/11/2019 at 04:53, BajaHater said:

Here I am again,second year in a row,with the same thing.Last year I was contacting Adam Squire,before winter update,and after it stays undone,I did it again in here but no luck,or simply no one cares.I wrote about that hekre,but can't-don't have permission to view it.Maybe you guys can.

At first there was doubled Kerry Nicholas 74017477 (Wales product) and Kerry Nicholas 29074663 (English product). After that Wales one survived and English one is lost,I don't know if he is in db still.

Starting from FM 2016 some Wales researcher messed up (probably I would say something worse than that word) with originaly Kerry Nicholas 74017477 (now Craig Morris)

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2015/player/74017477/kerry-nicholas

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2016/player/74017477/craig-morris

even we had original Craig Morris 74002019

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-2018/player/74002019/craig-morris

Would someone PLEASE  be kind and fix them as they should be from the start.

Kerry Nicholas 74017477 is born in Swansea or Neath on 24/10/1992 ,nationality is Wales.

Playing history:

2008 Swansea (Youth) 724

2009 West Bromwich Albion (Youth) 734

2010 Neath 350030

2011 Neath 3 /0 350030

2012 Carmarthen Town 4/0  1301340

2013 Port Talbot Town 1/0  350027

2013 (2) Haverfordwest County 114804

2014 Haverfordwest County 114804

2015 Briton Ferry Llansawel 74009639

Staff history:

2016 Swansea U23 Physio 724

2017 Swansea U23 Physio 724

2018 Briton Ferry Llansawel 74009639 Sports Science\Head Physio

2019 Briton Ferry Llansawel 74009639 Sports Science\Head Physio

 

Craig Morris 74002019 nickname Hovis is born in Carmarthen on 27/07/1981

History:

2003 Ammanford AFC 5/0     351079
2004 Ammanford AFC 34/0    351079
2005 Ammanford AFC 1/0    351079
2006 Aberystwyth Town    1927
2007 Neath FC 34/0    350030
2008 Llanelli AFC 15/0    1939
2009 Llanelli AFC 8/0    1939
2010 Neath FC 22/0   350030
2011 Afan Lido 6/0    1928
2012 Llanelli AFC 27/0    1939
2013 Merthyr Town    94013827

   

2014 Havefordwest 6/0 114804
2015 Havefordwest 7/0 114804
2016 Llanelli Town     74032559
2017 Llanelli Town  15/0     74032559
2018 Ammanford AFC 36/0     351079
2019 Ammanford AFC 12/0     351079

Please guys solve situation with these two...

     

Ok... this isn't straightforward and this is a long-term problem which came about before I took on the HR role so I can't provide a full explanation as to why this has happened, but we need to get this sorted for once and for all.  Fwiw, I know both players and their respective careers in real life. 

Craig Morris 74002019 does not exist in the database. As you say. Craig Morris is now 74017477 which was previously Kerry Morgan. Kerry Morgan no longer exists in the FM database, there is no record of him. 

I think the best thing to do here is as follows: 

We keep Craig Morris at 74017477 and will update him to include the additional info you have provided, we will then create a brand new Kerry Morgan with all correct info up to present day. 

I know this doesn't explain what happened but will at least solve this long standing issue. 

@BajaHaterI will make these changes over the weekend, so if you want to discuss this further please do so before then. 

Thanks for your patience with this!! :) 

Edited by Colorado

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1 hour ago, Colorado said:

Yeah, I will log this and recommend 1st July start. 

Thank you

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1 hour ago, Colorado said:

Yeah, I will log this and recommend 1st July start. 

One last thing, have you played the FMM2020 game? (I appreciate you may just work on the full PC version)

The reason I ask is that the Welsh League has some really crazy player abilities in it which in no way are reflective of real life. I like random players being good/hidden gems and young talent growing, its been a feature since the series started in the 90's but on the FMM version there are some players in their late 30's who play at Cymru South/North clubs who are some of the best players in the whole Welsh structure. This is not a complaint or an observation about me thinking a player/players are underrated or overrated, its about 12-15 totally random 39 year old reserve goalkeepers or 36 year old Tier 3 players being amazing and they have no pedigree or history or standing in real life, they actually are better straight away than Danny Redmond, Alec Mudimu, Greg Draper, Henry Jones etc...  For example when you do the scouting list of the 50 top players in the league these guys smash most other players out the park (The really boosted players I mean)

I realise you find gems or good players out of nowhere but I have never seen it like this in previous versions where say the 3rd reserve goalie at Ammanford is by far and away the best player in the squad. Players that normally have great ability from the off or amazing potential in say the Welsh League are established players who are well respected, players who have a history in other leagues (Say a veteran midfielder like Leon Britton) or a young ex Swansea youngster  or a Bangor City import from abroad who is ex Roma youth not totally random players who are fantastic with great stats from the start who seem to be mainly mid to late 30's at and never played at any level or been notable at the clubs that are at . I am not saying its a bug but i have never seen anything like it before in the series.

Can i reply with a list of the players who stand out? Sorry if this post is a bit confusing!

 

 

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Thanks for this - a list of players would definitely be useful. 

I'm not familiar with FMM2020 or its inner-workings, but it should essentially be the same database. 

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24 minutes ago, Colorado said:

Thanks for this - a list of players would definitely be useful. 

I'm not familiar with FMM2020 or its inner-workings, but it should essentially be the same database. 

Thanks I will send through tonight, I understood it to be the same database and having looked at a friends full PC version the players I am talking about on that are literally in the bottom 5% of ability of players in the Welsh League (like half star players, but on FMM they are 5 star players) 

I will send the list later today.

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The difference in the stars rating would suggest it's a bug rather than a database issue, although I can still check. I would post this in the bug forum. 

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6 hours ago, Colorado said:

Ok... this isn't straightforward and this is a long-term problem which came about before I took on the HR role so I can't provide a full explanation as to why this has happened, but we need to get this sorted for once and for all.  Fwiw, I know both players and their respective careers in real life. 

Craig Morris 74002019 does not exist in the database. As you say. Craig Morris is now 74017477 which was previously Kerry Morgan. Kerry Morgan no longer exists in the FM database, there is no record of him. 

I think the best thing to do here is as follows: 

We keep Craig Morris at 74017477 and will update him to include the additional info you have provided, we will then create a brand new Kerry Morgan with all correct info up to present day. 

I know this doesn't explain what happened but will at least solve this long standing issue. 

@BajaHaterI will make these changes over the weekend, so if you want to discuss this further please do so before then. 

Thanks for your patience with this!! :) 

Thank you too mate,and you're welcome. Craig Morris 74002019 must be deleted this summer,since he was in FM19.Before creating new Kerry Nicholas ,not Morgan  take a look in English DB if there is still Kerry with UID 29074663,so instead creating new maybe you need just to update that one.

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On 10/12/2019 at 13:49, Colorado said:

Yeah, I will log this and recommend 1st July start. 

Colorado, this should help,  please find screenshots starting date of Welsh League from 2014-2020 on Football Manager Mobiel, to show how out of the ordinary the current start date on FM2020 is let alone the impact on squad prep, Euro games having already been played.

 

 

 

 

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On 10/12/2019 at 16:42, Colorado said:

Thanks for this - a list of players would definitely be useful. 

I'm not familiar with FMM2020 or its inner-workings, but it should essentially be the same database. 

Still going to post this list, hopefully in the next few days, just need to get my ipad back from work.

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Did you watch the Carmarthen vs Ammanford Welsh Cup tie on TV last Friday Colorado?

 

 

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On 13/12/2019 at 10:23, sammummery said:

Did you watch the Carmarthen vs Ammanford Welsh Cup tie on TV last Friday Colorado?

 

 

If you did, Gavin Jones of Ammanford: I saw him on TV and was so impressed if not against a poor Carmarthen side, but his goals record for Ammanford, his potential and how highly he is rated in the league, on the game he isn't very good.

Also Corrig Mcgoingle is one of the better strikers at Tier 2 of the Welsh system but not really reflected on the game (He isn't bad just not good enough)

Lastly this may not apply to the full game, but out of 50+ Welsh playable clubs on FMM 2020 there is only one scout (at Llanelli) the full game must have a few more scouts in the welsh league system than one! When you start a game and look for staff there are loads of physios, coaches etc.. but only 1 scout. this has never been the case on previous games on FMM.

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On 10/12/2019 at 16:42, Colorado said:

Thanks for this - a list of players would definitely be useful. 

I'm not familiar with FMM2020 or its inner-workings, but it should essentially be the same database. 

Following on from my previous posts, These players below are all five star players on FM2020 and up there with the best players in the league, i'm all for random gems and young players (Say a Ex prem youngster reject with potential) but these players seem out of kilter a little with the full FM game, the strikers Gallagher and Hudson are sensational on the game and barely make any notable impact in real life, I don't mind random players being good but Sam Pashen stats wise is immense and I can't find anything to correlate that to in real life?

Some pics below of some players which seem a little strange in how prominent they are on the game.

 

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2 hours ago, sammummery said:

If you did, Gavin Jones of Ammanford: I saw him on TV and was so impressed if not against a poor Carmarthen side, but his goals record for Ammanford, his potential and how highly he is rated in the league, on the game he isn't very good.

Also Corrig Mcgoingle is one of the better strikers at Tier 2 of the Welsh system but not really reflected on the game (He isn't bad just not good enough)

Lastly this may not apply to the full game, but out of 50+ Welsh playable clubs on FMM 2020 there is only one scout (at Llanelli) the full game must have a few more scouts in the welsh league system than one! When you start a game and look for staff there are loads of physios, coaches etc.. but only 1 scout. this has never been the case on previous games on FMM.

I have upped Corrig slighty. He isnt at Llanelli as a scout no-more he is manager of Carno so will be with them in winter update. We only added the information we were given.

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On 17/12/2019 at 14:19, cel1234 said:

I have upped Corrig slighty. He isnt at Llanelli as a scout no-more he is manager of Carno so will be with them in winter update. We only added the information we were given.

Thanks, I appreciate you looking into Corrig. You must not feel the same about Gavin Jones. I respect that of course.

Check out the goals him and Trundle scored against Carmarthen in the Welsh Cup below. Trundle is still better than 90% of Welsh Prem strikers

https://twitter.com/FootballRemind/status/1203077217460338689

https://twitter.com/sgorio/status/1203065232505155595

https://twitter.com/sgorio/status/1203060747233878016

https://twitter.com/markpitman1/status/1203055642098974726

 

 

 

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On 17/12/2019 at 14:19, cel1234 said:

I have upped Corrig slighty. He isnt at Llanelli as a scout no-more he is manager of Carno so will be with them in winter update. We only added the information we were given.

Just as one more note, and i'm talking strictly about the Mobile version not the full game (I don't know if the scout situation is the same) but there literally is one scout in the whole of the Welsh league and that is the Lanelli one you are talking about, if he gets taken off in the next update and then not added, then there will not be an employable scout or available scout for any Welsh Clubs, there has been loads in previous games. So if you wanted to hire a scout then you can't if no more are added.

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