Trying to create more 'clear cut chances'

[silentwars]

I'm currently managing St Pauli, going along quite nicely, but relying on set pieces and long shots. I want to create more clear chances. This is my current tactic (No Pi's currently). Any help appreciated 

[Br4nco]

Maybe remove "Work ball in to box" and change your AMsu to an AMat, which would make more sense IMO since you got a PFsu as a lone striker on top.

[h3nrique_SEP]

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[herne79]

25 minutes ago, h3nrique_SEP said:

Welcome to FM19

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I appreciate you have had issues and now believe nothing can be done, but please don't confuse issues you may have with affecting everyone else.

[Johnny Ace]

I think the ability to create CCC's is heavily dependent on how the opposite teams are setting up 

How do they generally setup against you? The more defensive they are the harder it is 

[sporadicsmiles]

You do not really have an attacking player getting into the box, which is the first thing I would look to change. Either an attacking striker or an attacking AMC could help there. Give a few things a go there and see what happens. Do not change things too often though, give things a couple of games to see what happens over a representative sample size.

[silentwars]

Hi thanks for the replies. I usually have the forward with an attack duty. I tried changing it, as he's getting marked out of the game. I do have another FC who I can play as a target man, however he is quite slow but brilliant in the air.  I did try a 4-4-2, but my team was getting put on the back foot too much. 

Edited September 25, 2019 by silentwars

[Experienced Defender]

5 hours ago, silentwars said:

 

5 hours ago, silentwars said:

Any help appreciated 

Remove:

- wide attacking width (leave it to default)

- tight marking 

- more urgent pressing (use the split press instead - tell the front 4 players to close down more in their player instructions)

Add:

- shorter passing

Use, but not necessarily all the time (watch and see what works better for your team):

- work ball into box 

In terms of roles and duties, I don't know your players so it's impossible to tell you how exactly you should set them up, but I can give you an example that you can use as an idea (food for thought):

PFat

IFsu          TQ/AMat           Wat

CMde  BBM/MEZsu

FBat   CD  CD/BPD    IWBsu/de

SKsu

But again - given that I don't know the qualities and abilities of your players, take this piece of advice as highly speculative. And of course, feel free to ask any questions 

 

[BP900]

Depending on the players you have, I would try having the AM punch through the middle, and go ahead of the striker as an SS. Maybe try a TM on attack or support, and a Treq or SS behind him, so it makes it difficult for defenders to mark your players out of the match. 

 

Based on your TIs, I also think your play is bypassing your playmaker, who will be helpful in picking passes. Maybe trade the BBM for a RPM, and switch the DLP to a CM on defend. At least then, you will have your playmaker staying with the play, rather than needing to stay behind in a defensive position and find passes from deep. 

[silentwars]

15 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

 

Remove:

- wide attacking width (leave it to default)

- tight marking 

- more urgent pressing (use the split press instead - tell the front 4 players to close down more in their player instructions)

Add:

- shorter passing

Use, but not necessarily all the time (watch and see what works better for your team):

- work ball into box 

In terms of roles and duties, I don't know your players so it's impossible to tell you how exactly you should set them up, but I can give you an example that you can use as an idea (food for thought):

PFat

IFsu          TQ/AMat           Wat

CMde  BBM/MEZsu

FBat   CD  CD/BPD    IWBsu/de

SKsu

But again - given that I don't know the qualities and abilities of your players, take this piece of advice as highly speculative. And of course, feel free to ask any questions 

 

I have changed the tactic a little since this post. This is my current set up, should I still change my attacking width, now I'm playing with two wingers? I will try removing tighter marking and urgent pressing and see how it improves. @Experienced Defender

Edited September 26, 2019 by silentwars

[Robson 07]

Tactic above looks a little biased towards crossing with wingers and fullbacks.  Also are you looking for you playmaker no.10 to feed the wingers and spray it wide or are the widemen simply a distraction and the play goes through the no.10 and not down the flanks?

I think have 2 maybe 3 attack duty roles and then just focus on who and how provides them the ball and the opportunity.  You could have a playmaker serving both an inside forward attack and advanced fwd whilst crosses provide an alternative approach from the other side.

[silentwars]

23 minutes ago, Robson 07 said:

Tactic above looks a little biased towards crossing with wingers and fullbacks.  Also are you looking for you playmaker no.10 to feed the wingers and spray it wide or are the widemen simply a distraction and the play goes through the no.10 and not down the flanks?

I think have 2 maybe 3 attack duty roles and then just focus on who and how provides them the ball and the opportunity.  You could have a playmaker serving both an inside forward attack and advanced fwd whilst crosses provide an alternative approach from the other side.

You mean like this ?

[Robson 07]

1 hour ago, silentwars said:

You mean like this ?

Along them lines.  Are you measuring the clear cut chances statistically as you make changes?

[Experienced Defender]

6 hours ago, silentwars said:

Sorry, but I fear that with this tactic you will be even less likely to create good chances (including CCC) than you were with the previous one. For one, you are now encouraging too much crossing (you have 3 heavy-crossing roles on the flanks out of possible 4).

Plus, with BWM as your holding CM, you are also exposed to greater defensive risk, especially considering your formation (4231).

[silentwars]

I have come up with this.

Already played a top of the table match, and created 4 clear chances and 2 half chances, which I'm happy with. Will see how it progresses. Thanks for the tips @Experienced Defender @Robson 07

[silentwars]

@Experienced Defender Could do with your help. I've moved to Real Betis, and having the same problem again with a similar tactic. Any ideas how I can create more CCC with this system, other than the previous points

[Experienced Defender]

39 minutes ago, silentwars said:

 

39 minutes ago, silentwars said:

Any ideas how I can create more CCC with this system

For more precise advice, I would need to know your players (attributes and traits). Without that, I can only give you some general suggestions based on my tactical approach, but cannot be sure if that would work for your team.

For example, I would consider the following tweaks (not necessarily all at once):

- changing the AP into TQ

- changing the AF into PF on attack or poacher

- adding the Be more expressive TI

- different combos on the flanks: IF on support with FB on attack, and Wat with either IWBde, IWBsu or FBsu (depending on the type of your fullback as a player)

Basically, I like to set up a 4231 like this:

PO/PFat

Wat                TQ                IFsu

BBM/MEZsu   CMde

 

IWBde/su    CD    CD     FBat

SKsu

But again, you always need to take into account your players' strengths and weaknesses (i.e. their overall quality) when creating a tactic. Especially in a 4231, which is a tricky system due to its top-heaviness coupled with the lack of a DM.

[silentwars]

On 09/10/2019 at 18:54, Experienced Defender said:

 

For more precise advice, I would need to know your players (attributes and traits). Without that, I can only give you some general suggestions based on my tactical approach, but cannot be sure if that would work for your team.

For example, I would consider the following tweaks (not necessarily all at once):

- changing the AP into TQ

- changing the AF into PF on attack or poacher

- adding the Be more expressive TI

- different combos on the flanks: IF on support with FB on attack, and Wat with either IWBde, IWBsu or FBsu (depending on the type of your fullback as a player)

Basically, I like to set up a 4231 like this:

PO/PFat

Wat                TQ                IFsu

BBM/MEZsu   CMde

 

IWBde/su    CD    CD     FBat

SKsu

But again, you always need to take into account your players' strengths and weaknesses (i.e. their overall quality) when creating a tactic. Especially in a 4231, which is a tricky system due to its top-heaviness coupled with the lack of a DM.

Haven't been able to play FM for a week or so, going to tonight with your suggestions. I've got Deportivo, PSV, Malaga then A.Madrid away, will let you know how I get on.  

[silentwars]

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Edited February 3, 2020 by silentwars