Shameless1 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Hi everyone, I have a big issue with this formation. Whatever instruction I set, the big issue is the gap on the two sides of the pitch. Against team with 442 or 4231 it's a big problem because it's easy for them to overloading this space. I'm actually playing in sky bet championship 1. My team is not strong. How can I deal with this problem? Second big issue is the high pressing line but it's something I can fix. So, I have two tactics, same formation. Start from the first one. Maybe should I set man mark to my two midfielders on against full backs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NabsKebabs Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 The roles of the side midfielders are very attack minded - mezzala, box to box and rpm all roam from position. Try using more defensively solid roles such as carrilero or ball winning midfielders who will offer better protection to the flanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 The left side of your team in particular is very offensive. Your Mez(A) and WB(A) are going to be high up the pitch. You will need very good CBs to pull that off, because they are often going to be attacked without covering players around them. I can see this causing defensive issues if you are not that strong. However, I like the way you are creating an overload on this side of the pitch yourself, and I would imagine your AF and BBM profit from this and score a good number of goals. The left side also lacks any midfield cover, but you do not have an aggressive wing back on that side of the pitch, so there is at least some cover to help the central defenders. Still, your midfield is going to be totally absent in wide areas when you are caught in a defensive transition, and you are correct that it can cause issues. Another question I have is what exactly if the AMC doing? What is his role within your squad? Why is he a AM(S), what does he do to help you create or score chances? It is not very obvious to me that he is going to participate in chance creation or scoring. Does he recycle the ball and offer a passing outlet? I would be tempted to change the AMC to a DMC if he is not contributing that much in attack. You can play around with the roles to get it right, but something that is holding and screening the defense. I'd be tempted to try a BWM either on defend or support. He can then be available to close down whichever side of the pitch the AI is trying to attack you down. The second advantage is that it allows you to be more creative with the central of the 3 midfielders. He can take up the mobile role the BBM currently has. Getting further forward, supporting attacks and scoring goals. Something like an AP or even a BBM or CM(A) could work (the latter is risky too). You would again have to play around with that. In turn, this means you can play a more conservative role on the right hand side of your midfield. A Cariello, for instance, would cover the space on that flank effectively, and allow a more adventurous full back who provides more width on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless1 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, sporadicsmiles said: The left side of your team in particular is very offensive. Your Mez(A) and WB(A) are going to be high up the pitch. You will need very good CBs to pull that off, because they are often going to be attacked without covering players around them. I can see this causing defensive issues if you are not that strong. However, I like the way you are creating an overload on this side of the pitch yourself, and I would imagine your AF and BBM profit from this and score a good number of goals. The left side also lacks any midfield cover, but you do not have an aggressive wing back on that side of the pitch, so there is at least some cover to help the central defenders. Still, your midfield is going to be totally absent in wide areas when you are caught in a defensive transition, and you are correct that it can cause issues. Another question I have is what exactly if the AMC doing? What is his role within your squad? Why is he a AM(S), what does he do to help you create or score chances? It is not very obvious to me that he is going to participate in chance creation or scoring. Does he recycle the ball and offer a passing outlet? I would be tempted to change the AMC to a DMC if he is not contributing that much in attack. You can play around with the roles to get it right, but something that is holding and screening the defense. I'd be tempted to try a BWM either on defend or support. He can then be available to close down whichever side of the pitch the AI is trying to attack you down. The second advantage is that it allows you to be more creative with the central of the 3 midfielders. He can take up the mobile role the BBM currently has. Getting further forward, supporting attacks and scoring goals. Something like an AP or even a BBM or CM(A) could work (the latter is risky too). You would again have to play around with that. In turn, this means you can play a more conservative role on the right hand side of your midfield. A Cariello, for instance, would cover the space on that flank effectively, and allow a more adventurous full back who provides more width on the right. Thank u. So for the second formation I think I don't have the right players. What I wanted to achieve there was create space on the flank with my full back and advance forward for my right midfielder. Working the ball with movements, don't give to opponents predictability this with roles and duty. My AMC should score goals in my mind cause he should have space to attack, space created fork AF and Dlf on support. Maybe should I change roles on my two midfielders?for my central midfielder I was thinking to place him like dlp on Defend with a carrillero where my fullback attack whole on the other side I could put a bwm on support? The big issue is that we struggle creating clear cut chances making the ball pass but we don't find space so, essentially we loose the ball and we are high up on the pitch and we have a big gaps on one side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless1 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, NabsKebabs said: The roles of the side midfielders are very attack minded - mezzala, box to box and rpm all roam from position. Try using more defensively solid roles such as carrilero or ball winning midfielders who will offer better protection to the flanks. Yes i know. Wanted that to achieve the possession ball but I think I need strong players to do that. I started from vanarama and I arrived in two seasons on skybet league 1 with a simple 442. Now I wanted change and buyed different king of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless1 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 i changed the roles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless1 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 I'm thinking one thing. I could drop the AMC on midfield giving him the playmaker role with attack duty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless1 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 Nothing to do. Same problem. I changed again. My carrillero into BMW defend duty, my right full back in a defensive full back defend duty and may right midfielder in bwm with support duty. I feel my selfe stupid 😔 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overmars Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Can you show your match stats from a few matches? Passes, crosses, shots, chances, tackles, headers, etc. It helps to see how your instructions are working so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless1 Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 50 minutes ago, Overmars said: Can you show your match stats from a few matches? Passes, crosses, shots, chances, tackles, headers, etc. It helps to see how your instructions are working so far. Sure. But tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shameless1 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 So I had a look at the team report. We are very weak in some attributes. General: Low general height Low general weight Medium control of the ball Good strength Good teamwork Really good aggression In depht: Low contrast Low head Low man marking Low position Good strength Good acceleration Low decision Low control of the ball Good aggression and teamwork Midfield : Low tackling Low elevation Low man marking Medium acceleration but low general speed Very low passages Good control of the ball Good decision Forward Very good decision Bad control of the ball Low strength Low team work Very good aggression Training purposes: Control of the ball and defense attributes. So. Defensive mentality with low tempo high defensive line with more discipline, play safe with more aggressive midfielders roles. Hard tackling. No off side trap. Compact team shape. I think maybe I should go on fluid team shape to be more compact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Experienced Defender Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 On 11/06/2019 at 15:14, Shameless1 said: I'm actually playing in sky bet championship 1. My team is not strong Even before I take a look at your tactic, I can assume that this is exactly the problem. 4312 is simply not an ideal system for weaker teams, especially not for lower leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless1 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said: Even before I take a look at your tactic, I can assume that this is exactly the problem. 4312 is simply not an ideal system for weaker teams, especially not for lower leagues. I know but my big problem is that I did not think about it and sold my wingers, so now I'm struggling a lot. The reason why I opted for fluid system was that dropping the AMC INTO Cc role made a gap between forwards and midfield. So, I have to try another thing.l, I think. My team is not strong. I have to play safe in general and with precision giving to someone clthe key of the midfield and the finale third. So I think to a 4312 with a regista and a trequartista choosing that players that could make these two roles. According to this, these two players should be creative while the rest of the team should work with precision. Low risk mentality, low pressing low defensive line We try to absorb the pressure to create space behind opponents. According to this I have tow options. Low build up, retaining the ball or fast transition to attack. Since I wanna I be safe for first, I think I would go on short pass and letting the ball goes around with simple pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless1 Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 So, first match played with this new tactic and approach. I started with a 4312 highly structured with defensive mentality. Short pass retain the ball low defensive line. My left defensive player setted like fullback with attack duty, The right one with support duty. In front of the defenders I settetld a regista. Then, the two central midfielders. On the right a BMW on support, on left a mezzala on support. Left forward an AF and on the right a DLF on support. We played well. Make one goal. When we did this goal the opponents tried a 343 so I told to my left full back to stay on defence and to my mezzala to go on attack and to my BMW to get further forward. The reason was we were more dense on the center of the pitch while they were trying to command the left and right side of the pitch. I removed also the les widt instruction to better cover the flanks. Our second goal was fantastic but I find we miss a lot of chances. However good for the moment. Maybe I was asking too much to them. Macth ended up 2¬1 for us with great possession and a lot of attacking actions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shameless1 Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share Posted June 14, 2019 Nothing to do. I tried a every kind of thing role/ tactic. I think to go to a simple 442 or to a 343 defensive / counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonbuids Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I have used this 4312 or 442 diamond narrow for a long time. I must say the crucial position of this formation is 2 wing back. You have 2 STs to pin down opponent defensive line. With 2 strikers, their defensive shape must be very narrow. Then who will use space in two flanks? The answer is 2 wingback or may be a mezzala. Therefore, your wingbacks must have great pace, workrate and attacking-awareness. They take an important roles both in attacking and defending. On 12/06/2019 at 15:12, Shameless1 said: From this image, I can say that your wingbacks are not good enough to play in this formation. This heatmap show that your team have to many player in the middle of the field and your wingbacks did not provide width to stretch your opponent defensive line. This is why your team take so many long shot. Find some wingbacks or try to use your player with right role (use them in attacking role like CWB or WB attack) I even use two AF in the font and play fast attacking football and result from counter attack is awesome. This formation is one of my favourite formation and I use it in every version of FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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