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5 hours ago, Malicious Penguin said:

Based on the processor the HP is going to be the fastest, but the Lenovo from Curry's wouldn't be too far behind. The ones from Box are all 1-2 years old and the AMD ones in particular will be significantly behind. 

Edit: as I always recommend though, check online reviews for the specific laptop model you're considering. This will help you avoid choosing something with a deal breaker like a terrible keyboard or that overheats. 

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Thanks @Gangor - I think the HP is so new, the reviews are lacking right now! 

Is it fair to say that's the max spec I can get for sub £700? 

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14 hours ago, Brother Ben said:

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X - For great multi core capability

Intel Core i7-10700K - For pure FM brute force

If you want to go overkill the Intel i9 tops our FM performance chart but at a large cost

The below is with all leagues loaded and run for a week of in game time

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Thanks! 

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4 hours ago, Malicious Penguin said:

Thanks @Gangor - I think the HP is so new, the reviews are lacking right now! 

Is it fair to say that's the max spec I can get for sub £700? 

Probably. Testing shows that the Ryzen 5 4600H is as good or better than the latest gen Intel i7 competitors, and provides better battery life while in use. Depends on HP's cooling solution, battery etc, but they're a reasonably competent company so I'd hope it wouldn't be awful. 

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Would these specs be okay for running FM20? Looking to spend somewhere in the region of £500. Never use the 3D engine, tend to run a few top divisions and maybe the lower leagues in England. Also I know the operating system sayings ‘s mode’ but I believe that I can change that manually when I get the laptop? Cheers in advance folks!

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Hi folks,

I wonder if anyone could help me with a suggestion. Budget is £1000 - £1200 - use laptop a lot for my work but that’s really basic stuff - spreadsheets, Skype meetings, word docs etc. So main specs should be for FM20 

want to play with as many leagues as possible, I also have all face packs added.

last laptop had a tendency to overheat.

Finally need something durable. I travel around a lot with my laptop - last one got dropped - a lot. Which has lead to its early demise.

These were my last specs - so looking for a step up in terms of fm capability.

much appreciated if anyone could help.

Andy

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Further to above - having read some of the info on the thread I’ve found three that might work:

Laptop 1

Laptop 2

Laptop 3

any thoughts on what’s best or is there anything better on the market for that budget that I’m missing?

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https://www.ebuyer.com/973056-lenovo-v15-ryzen-3-8gb-256gb-ssd-15-6-freedos-laptop-82c70010uk

 

Just after thoughts if this would be suitable for FM20?

 

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9 hours ago, kerr199423 said:

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Would these specs be okay for running FM20? Looking to spend somewhere in the region of £500. Never use the 3D engine, tend to run a few top divisions and maybe the lower leagues in England. Also I know the operating system sayings ‘s mode’ but I believe that I can change that manually when I get the laptop? Cheers in advance folks!

Nope as only 4gb RAM.

This has similar specs but mroe RAM and a larger hard drive https://www.box.co.uk/81V5001AUK-Lenovo-V155-15API_2808677.html

 

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3 hours ago, HHFC fan said:

Hi folks,

I wonder if anyone could help me with a suggestion. Budget is £1000 - £1200 - use laptop a lot for my work but that’s really basic stuff - spreadsheets, Skype meetings, word docs etc. So main specs should be for FM20 

want to play with as many leagues as possible, I also have all face packs added.

last laptop had a tendency to overheat.

Andy

Something like below

Chassis & Display
Optimus Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD 144Hz 45% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 10750H (2.6GHz, 5GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 2060 - 6.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB Intel® H10 NVMe SSD + 32GB Intel® Optane™ (up to 2300MB/sR | 1300MB/sW)
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
 

Price: £1,196.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/optimusXI-15/V4Xy02MEHK/

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2 hours ago, HHFC fan said:

Further to above - having read some of the info on the thread I’ve found three that might work:

Laptop 1

Laptop 2

Laptop 3

any thoughts on what’s best or is there anything better on the market for that budget that I’m missing?

Whichever one this was

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/acer-predator-helios-300-17-3-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i7-rtx-2060-1-tb-hdd-256-gb-ssd-10194212-pdt.html

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Smurf said:

For that price not going to do much better - it will run but might need to load less leagues/divisions/database size etc.

 

Thanks, I've recently got the game and it is taking forever to process days and matches on my old laptop

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If anybody has a pc with a i9-10900k, would love to see how it performs in the FM20 benchmarks

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6 hours ago, FMFutbol said:

If anybody has a pc with a i9-10900k, would love to see how it performs in the FM20 benchmarks

If someone gets a decent chip and can get a decent overclock it will be an absolute beast in the FM benchmarks.  

One guy got it to overclock to 7Ghz, would have loved him to have run our benchmarks  :D

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/features/overclocking-intel-core-i9-10900k

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15 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

If someone gets a decent chip and can get a decent overclock it will be an absolute beast in the FM benchmarks.  

One guy got it to overclock to 7Ghz, would have loved him to have run our benchmarks  :D

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/features/overclocking-intel-core-i9-10900k

Not sure I'd want to be pouring liquid nitrogen into my PC during a Football Manager session :lol:

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23 minutes ago, Gangor said:

Not sure I'd want to be pouring liquid nitrogen into my PC during a Football Manager session :lol:

"I must have all leagues running in full detail!!!" *pours liquid nitrogen*

Still runs slow  :D 

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12 minutes ago, BnadnerB said:

Hi guys,

How well would be below run FM20? Would it be capable of running 6 nations with say 20 leagues? I only play matches in 2D so graphics don’t really matter.

 

https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/13-inch-space-grey-1.4ghz-quad-core-processor-with-turbo-boost-up-to-3.9ghz-512gb#

 

Thanks in advance!

About as well as a Windows laptop in the £500 range.

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On 24/06/2020 at 11:43, Smurf said:

Nope as only 4gb RAM.

This has similar specs but mroe RAM and a larger hard drive https://www.box.co.uk/81V5001AUK-Lenovo-V155-15API_2808677.html

 

Cheers for the recommendation mate. Just wondering if this would be worth the extra £50 compared to the one you suggested or if there’d be anything you’d recommend that would be better if I upped my budget to £600/£650?

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1 hour ago, kerr199423 said:

Cheers for the recommendation mate. Just wondering if this would be worth the extra £50 compared to the one you suggested or if there’d be anything you’d recommend that would be better if I upped my budget to £600/£650?

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https://www.box.co.uk/81LK0039UK-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-L340-15_2934443.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3JPJ6_Sc6gIVcWHmCh1T8QSZEAkYCCABEgKF2PD_BwE This would be a decent upgrade. It has a higher power processor (45w vs 15w) so should run faster for intensive workloads like games. Also it has dedicated graphics so the match engine should run nicely. Bear in mind the battery life will be worse. 

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39 minutes ago, Br3nB said:

Hi all, hope you are well.

I know Macbook’s aren’t the greatest idea for FM, however I am interested in purchasing an iMac. I’m guessing there is a major difference in running power and an iMac will handle the game easily?

 

https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/imac/21.5-inch-3.0ghz-6-core-processor-with-turbo-boost-up-to-4.1ghz-1tb#

Nothing wrong with Macs for FM - they are just very expensive for what is under the hood. 

FM has different system specs for Mac - requires a lower speed processor - I never really undrestood that @EdL

It would be perfectly fine for FM - personally, unless you need a Mac, I'd be looking at a PC for far less money and better spec.

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Yeah I get that, I have several Apple devices so just want to have them across the board to be honest, not too fussed regarding money.

I’m guessing an iMac is a better choice than a Macbook if I only ever play in one place?

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6 minutes ago, Br3nB said:

Yeah I get that, I have several Apple devices so just want to have them across the board to be honest, not too fussed regarding money.

I’m guessing an iMac is a better choice than a Macbook if I only ever play in one place?

I don't know if one is technically  better than the other - nothing I ever actually researched.

Nothing against Apple, fine computers, use them everyday - but overkill in price for FM.

 

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Looking for a new laptop. Budget is £600 but willing to go up to £800. Main requirements are:

  • Plays 3D match engine well on medium or high settings
  • Minimum 512GB storage, preferably SSD
  • Has a good webcam positioned in the usual spot (i.e. directly in front of face) as I plan to create a lot of video content. Saw a nice Huawei laptop on Amazon that ticked pretty much every box but had a camera in such a weird position 
  • Good for video editing
  • 8GB RAM as minimum, 16GB preferred
  • 15.6" screen
  • 10th gen processors preferred but not a deal breaker

Most important are highlighted in bold.

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3 hours ago, Gangor said:

https://www.box.co.uk/81LK0039UK-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-L340-15_2934443.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3JPJ6_Sc6gIVcWHmCh1T8QSZEAkYCCABEgKF2PD_BwE This would be a decent upgrade. It has a higher power processor (45w vs 15w) so should run faster for intensive workloads like games. Also it has dedicated graphics so the match engine should run nicely. Bear in mind the battery life will be worse. 

Much appreciated mate, ta!

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16 hours ago, AvidFMer said:

Looking for a new laptop. Budget is £600 but willing to go up to £800. Main requirements are:

  • Plays 3D match engine well on medium or high settings
  • Minimum 512GB storage, preferably SSD
  • Has a good webcam positioned in the usual spot (i.e. directly in front of face) as I plan to create a lot of video content. Saw a nice Huawei laptop on Amazon that ticked pretty much every box but had a camera in such a weird position 
  • Good for video editing
  • 8GB RAM as minimum, 16GB preferred
  • 15.6" screen
  • 10th gen processors preferred but not a deal breaker

Most important are highlighted in bold.

Well you're going to have to make some compromises I think. Ideally for what you're looking at you want to be considering a H processor laptop with dedicated graphics - in other words a gaming class laptop. Something meeting the RAM and storage requirements is likely to be in the £1000 range. You might find a 9th gen system on clearance somewhere if you're lucky? If you're going current gen you'll get better value with AMD - their Ryzen 5's apparently offer better performance than 10th gen i7's for productivity tasks like video editing. If you're looking at last gen go with Intel if you can as AMD's 3000 series wasn't as good as Intel's 9th gen.

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5 hours ago, Gangor said:

Well you're going to have to make some compromises I think. Ideally for what you're looking at you want to be considering a H processor laptop with dedicated graphics - in other words a gaming class laptop. Something meeting the RAM and storage requirements is likely to be in the £1000 range. You might find a 9th gen system on clearance somewhere if you're lucky? If you're going current gen you'll get better value with AMD - their Ryzen 5's apparently offer better performance than 10th gen i7's for productivity tasks like video editing. If you're looking at last gen go with Intel if you can as AMD's 3000 series wasn't as good as Intel's 9th gen.

Thanks for the feedback mate. 

After doing some more research I think I can compromise on the storage. I have a 2TB external which should do for now. So happy to get recommendations with 256GB SSD.

£1000 is a bit too much for me so happy to lower my expectations a bit. Last gen processor would be just fine aswell although I'd like to future proof as much as I can ideally. Also something Smurf posted that processor and graphics card are the priority kind of leans me towards the 10th gen ones but again happy to be recommended any 9th gens too. 

For now my top picks are as follows:

Lenovo L340 (£699) - https://www.box.co.uk/81LK010TUK-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-L340-15_2834990.html#DetailTop

ASUS (£649) - https://www.box.co.uk/FX505DD-BQ121T-ASUS-TUF-FX505DD-BQ121T_2902781.html

Acer Nitro 5 (£899) - https://www.box.co.uk/NH.Q7PEK.001-Acer-Nitro-5_2934862.html

ASUS (£899) - https://www.box.co.uk/FA706II-AU025T-ASUS-TUF-FA706II-AU025T_2860287.html

HP Pavilion 15-ec1001na (£649) - https://ao.com/product/133w8eaabu-hp-laptop-black-75691-251.aspx

Any recommendations for 10th gen AMDs as you say they offer better performance than Intel counterparts?

Edit: Happy to up budget to £900 max. 512GB SSD is I think a necessity as my current machine is 512 GB and if i'm upgrading I might aswell get a machine with similar or more space on it. Just found another Asus that Smurf recommended which has a good processor, better than the Acer I'd spotted. 

Edit 2: Looks like I'll be going for the ASUS FA706II or the HP Pavilion 15. Leaning towards the ASUS as it has 512GB SSD but going to try find a 512GB option for the HP.

Edit 3: Looks like i have a winner for now. The HP Pavilion is what I think I'll go for as most reviews indicate the ASUS botched the design as it apparently runs very hot and loud, as well as the fact that it thermal throttles. 

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Need new laptop, budget about 500 can push bit higher. Only use for FM,  messing with photos, usual streaming and general surfing and listening to music. Seems bloody hard to find something in stock or available in the next few days

Looked at this, any good

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/dell-inspiron-15-3000-15-6-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-256-gb-ssd-silver-10190038-pdt.html

Would prefer 15.6 screen getting on a bit lol

 

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6 minutes ago, tony777 said:

Need new laptop, budget about 500 can push bit higher. Only use for FM,  messing with photos, usual streaming and general surfing and listening to music. Seems bloody hard to find something in stock or available in the next few days

Looked at this, any good

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/dell-inspiron-15-3000-15-6-laptop-amd-ryzen-5-256-gb-ssd-silver-10190038-pdt.html

 

 

Not sure how much of a push you can go 

https://www.box.co.uk/81LK0039UK-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-L340-15_2934443.html

 

 

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On 25/06/2020 at 14:41, Smurf said:

Nothing wrong with Macs for FM - they are just very expensive for what is under the hood. 

FM has different system specs for Mac - requires a lower speed processor - I never really undrestood that @EdL

It would be perfectly fine for FM - personally, unless you need a Mac, I'd be looking at a PC for far less money and better spec.

I have no idea, I have nothing to do with the min specs! they are always quite flaky I think, for any game. Clock speed as an absolute hasn't meant a lot in the computing world for over 10 years, maybe closer to 20.

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10 hours ago, EdL said:

I have no idea, I have nothing to do with the min specs! they are always quite flaky I think, for any game. Clock speed as an absolute hasn't meant a lot in the computing world for over 10 years, maybe closer to 20.

That is very weird! 

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Morning people. My laptop is starting to really struggle to run FM to a speed im happy with. Player search is slow and im now waiting for a long time to procees between days. 

This is my current laptop:

MSI GE62 2QF Apache Pro 219-HID1 15.6" i7-5700HQ 2.7-3.5GHz (GTX 970M 3GB / 128GB SSD + 1TB 7200RPM HDD / 16GB RAM / DVDRW)

It was outstanding when i first got it. Its a few years old now.

Im looking for a decent laptop that could run the top 5 leagues in europe with about 100k players at a decent speed. Price upto £800

Any ideas

Thanks

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I am considering buying a new laptop for FM20, but does an integrated graphics card always mean that the 3D match engine will not be as fluid as it could be?

The model is an Acer Aspire 3. Link to Norwegian website here for specs:
https://www.elkjop.no/product/data/barbar-pc/windows-barbar-pc/166271/acer-aspire-3-15-6-barbar-pc-sort?&scid=SEM6279&gclid=Cj0KCQjwudb3BRC9ARIsAEa-vUtM_dfF9_YK9PM7aGGc9Tj_2OlAt_gKhq0Z8LOM07zKfdTD4L3xu94aAowZEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

The processor is an Intel® Core™ i5-6300U processor. 8 GB ram. 256 GB SSD storage.

The graphics card is shared, and i understand that if i wanted to play games that are very "heavy" i would need a better graphics solution. But what do you think about this for only playing FM20? Can i get good flowing graphics by using the shared graphics from the Intel i5-6300U processor?

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4 hours ago, Robbie Hood said:

I am considering buying a new laptop for FM20, but does an integrated graphics card always mean that the 3D match engine will not be as fluid as it could be?

The model is an Acer Aspire 3. Link to Norwegian website here for specs:
https://www.elkjop.no/product/data/barbar-pc/windows-barbar-pc/166271/acer-aspire-3-15-6-barbar-pc-sort?&scid=SEM6279&gclid=Cj0KCQjwudb3BRC9ARIsAEa-vUtM_dfF9_YK9PM7aGGc9Tj_2OlAt_gKhq0Z8LOM07zKfdTD4L3xu94aAowZEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

The processor is an Intel® Core™ i5-6300U processor. 8 GB ram. 256 GB SSD storage.

The graphics card is shared, and i understand that if i wanted to play games that are very "heavy" i would need a better graphics solution. But what do you think about this for only playing FM20? Can i get good flowing graphics by using the shared graphics from the Intel i5-6300U processor?

That's a four year old laptop. It would run FM but not brilliantly. Overpriced. Also the integrated graphics is terrible.

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Apologies if this is a stupid question but have a laptop and am looking to purchase an external monitor to then use with the laptop at home 

Do I need to be buying a screen with built in speakers? If not how would i get sound working (how would I connect it)?

many thanks 

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7 hours ago, Gangor said:

That's a four year old laptop. It would run FM but not brilliantly. Overpriced. Also the integrated graphics is terrible.

Thanks for answering.

After doing some more searching i think this will be a better PC and it should hopefully handle the 3D engine in FM20 without any problems?

https://www.asus.com/no/Laptops/ASUS-TUF-Gaming-FX505DD-DT-DU/

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1 hour ago, Gangor said:

Yes, that would be a lot better. Even the GTX 1050 should handle the match engine just fine.

Thanks again, Gangor :)

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Hi guys!
Thinking of getting a new laptop and looking for some advice. I use laptop mostly for playing FM with Spotify/Youtube in background. Key requirements are:
- able to run about 30 leagues/15 nations;
- 3D work well on high settings;
a few quick questions:
is Ryzen 5 4600H better than i7-9750H? or maybe i5-9300H will be good enough? 
what about graphic card? are there any big differences between GTX 1650/1650ti/1660ti? 
256 GB SSD will be enough? I very rarely play something else than FM. but when, it's something like Civilization or Total War series. 
Thanks in advance for any advice. 
 

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8 minutes ago, Szymo said:


Hi guys!
Thinking of getting a new laptop and looking for some advice. I use laptop mostly for playing FM with Spotify/Youtube in background. Key requirements are:
- able to run about 30 leagues/15 nations;
- 3D work well on high settings;
a few quick questions:
is Ryzen 5 4600H better than i7-9750H? or maybe i5-9300H will be good enough? 
what about graphic card? are there any big differences between GTX 1650/1650ti/1660ti? 
256 GB SSD will be enough? I very rarely play something else than FM. but when, it's something like Civilization or Total War series. 
Thanks in advance for any advice. 
 

Yes (marginally) and yes. The speed all those leagues will run at will be another thing of course. For FM as long as you've got a dedicated gpu from the last few years the match engine will run fine so all of those would be fine. If you don't plan to install more than 3-4 games at a time or download a lot of media then 256gb is fine. 

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1 hour ago, Gangor said:

Yes (marginally) and yes. The speed all those leagues will run at will be another thing of course. For FM as long as you've got a dedicated gpu from the last few years the match engine will run fine so all of those would be fine. If you don't plan to install more than 3-4 games at a time or download a lot of media then 256gb is fine. 

Thanks for answer Gangor! 
Sorry for not linking - I'm based in Poland. All three cost around £800, what is Your advice? Or maybe You recommend something else? 

Asus TUF Gaming A15 FA506II-AL0361
AMD Ryzen 5 4600H
15.6" FHD IPS144Hz
16GB DDR4 3200Mhz
512GB SSD M.2 PCIe
GeForce GTX 1650 TI 4GB
Windows 10 Home

Acer NITRO 5 AN515-54-731B
Intel Core i7-9750H
15,6" Full-HD LED IPS   
8 GB RAM DDR4 2400Mhz
512 GB SSD M.2 PCIe NVMe
nVidia GeForce GTX 1650 4GB
Windows 10 Home 

Lenovo Ideapad L340-15IRH
Intel Core i7-9750HF (2.6-4.5 GHz) 
15,6" FullHD MAT IPS
8 GB RAM DDR4
256GB SSD M.2 NVMe
nVidia GeForce GTX 1650 4GB
Windows 10 Pro

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2 hours ago, Szymo said:

Thanks for answer Gangor! 
Sorry for not linking - I'm based in Poland. All three cost around £800, what is Your advice? Or maybe You recommend something else? 

Asus TUF Gaming A15 FA506II-AL0361
AMD Ryzen 5 4600H
15.6" FHD IPS144Hz
16GB DDR4 3200Mhz
512GB SSD M.2 PCIe
GeForce GTX 1650 TI 4GB
Windows 10 Home

Acer NITRO 5 AN515-54-731B
Intel Core i7-9750H
15,6" Full-HD LED IPS   
8 GB RAM DDR4 2400Mhz
512 GB SSD M.2 PCIe NVMe
nVidia GeForce GTX 1650 4GB
Windows 10 Home 

Lenovo Ideapad L340-15IRH
Intel Core i7-9750HF (2.6-4.5 GHz) 
15,6" FullHD MAT IPS
8 GB RAM DDR4
256GB SSD M.2 NVMe
nVidia GeForce GTX 1650 4GB
Windows 10 Pro

The Asus A15 has been widely criticised for overheating and thermal throttling. While it theoretically has better performance from it's specification, out of the three I'd go with one of the others, probably the Acer, personally. I'm sure there will be other similarly spec'd laptops with the 4600H for around the same cost if not out now then soon - It may well be wise to look at those first. 

Edit: in the same price range you might consider the Acer Nitro 5 AN515-44. If you do I'd suggest also getting an extra 8gb Sodimm of memory as it is configured with only a single stick meaning memory bandwidth is halved, negatively affecting performance. 

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I have an alienware m15x, which I know, is 13 years old

I host a network game, as I have been for 10 years

 

The day to day processing is fine and quick but the 3d match is laggy,  despite having a newer 2gb gpu installed, the game telling me it has 5 star 3d capability too and on hwmonitor it is never above 70pc 

 

The 8 "threads" or whatever they are called in my processor are at 100% during the matches though. Why would that be and is it my older processor letting me down during the match even though it flies by in the non match processing?

 

Just trying to work out what my problem is so I know what to look for in a new laptop if required 

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2 hours ago, Gangor said:

Edit: in the same price range you might consider the Acer Nitro 5 AN515-44. If you do I'd suggest also getting an extra 8gb Sodimm of memory as it is configured with only a single stick meaning memory bandwidth is halved, negatively affecting performance. 

Many thanks for the advice Gangor!

Just to be sure - You mean this one: 

https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/model/NH.Q9HEK.003

Quite similar is available in Poland. The only difference is graphic card (GTX1650Ti vs GTX1650), and it's even cheaper than this three i mentioned earlier. it might be best choice. Even with the need to buy extra 8gb Sodimm... 

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24 minutes ago, Szymo said:

Many thanks for the advice Gangor!

Just to be sure - You mean this one: 

https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/model/NH.Q9HEK.003

Quite similar is available in Poland. The only difference is graphic card (GTX1650Ti vs GTX1650), and it's even cheaper than this three i mentioned earlier. it might be best choice. Even with the need to buy extra 8gb Sodimm... 

That's the one. Great that it would come with the Ti version of the 1650 - it should make playing more graphically intensive games a more pleasant experience! 

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