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50 minutes ago, darren1589 said:

i haven't yet mate no, does it make a difference if i do it through the asus site or this one ?

 

https://www.geforce.co.uk/drivers

Use the GeForce site - if necessary get on to their support, I had to do this for LA Noire and they gave me a graphics driver that was not avialable for normal download - they are really good.

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19 minutes ago, Smurf said:

Use the GeForce site - if necessary get on to their support, I had to do this for LA Noire and they gave me a graphics driver that was not avialable for normal download - they are really good.

first time i have had to do this as only game i play is FM, woudl they charge me for that id assume and if so do you know roughly how much ?

 

from the specs i gave you too, do you think they should have been good enough graphics wise for this fm ?

 

thanks 

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On 31/10/2019 at 02:24, kevhamster said:

That would be ok, but for a small increase in price (£10 approx), this one is actually better:

https://www.box.co.uk/7DC73EAABU-HP-255-G7_2580199.html

My own laptop has that same processor, and it runs FM pretty quickly and the integrated graphics will be better than on the intel.

Just before I order the one discussed above, I noticed this as a refurbished unit and wondered would it be worth the extra £100 or so for a much smoother experience, again based on maybe 4-5 countries, full leagues and large DB. Don't mind about the 3d match engine but maybe this would allow a more indulgent experience?

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/refurbished-acer-nitro-core-i5-8300h-8gb-16gb-intel-optane-1tb-geforce-gtx-a1-nh.q4aek.002/version.asp#/maindesc

Cheers. 

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How many leagues can a Ryzen 5 3400G run, compared to an i5 9400? And how long can it run well for(20 years??)

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16 minutes ago, Bobby_Baggio said:

Just before I order the one discussed above, I noticed this as a refurbished unit and wondered would it be worth the extra £100 or so for a much smoother experience, again based on maybe 4-5 countries, full leagues and large DB. Don't mind about the 3d match engine but maybe this would allow a more indulgent experience?

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/refurbished-acer-nitro-core-i5-8300h-8gb-16gb-intel-optane-1tb-geforce-gtx-a1-nh.q4aek.002/version.asp#/maindesc

Cheers. 

The links not working. 

Based on the description though, not sure it's worth paying an extra £100 for if you're only going to play FM.  The CPU looks a bit better, but I think that one uses a Hard Drive whereas the one at box uses an SSD which will make things quicker on its own. 

You also don't need a dedicated GPU for FM. 

The other consideration is I believe laptops direct only offer a 3 month warranty on their refurb units, which I'd be wary of. 

If you want to look at refurb units, look at http://www.laptopstation.co.uk who offer a 12 month warranty on refurbed laptops. 

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5 hours ago, darren1589 said:

 

Asus VivoBook Pro 15 N580GD-DM230T, Intel Core i7-8750H Hexa-Core Processor, 15.6" Full HD Screen, Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit, 8GB DDR4 RAM, 1000GB HDD, Dedicated GeForce GTX 1050 4GB Graphics, USB3 | HDMI | Bluetooth, N580GD-DM230T

 

that help mate ? 

That should be fine. Have you double checked to ensure your graphics drivers are fully up-to-date? Additionally, make sure that your laptop is using the Geforce graphics card, and not the processor's integrated graphics in error.

 

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4 hours ago, darren1589 said:

first time i have had to do this as only game i play is FM, woudl they charge me for that id assume and if so do you know roughly how much ?

 

from the specs i gave you too, do you think they should have been good enough graphics wise for this fm ?

 

thanks 

There would be no charge

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6 hours ago, kevhamster said:

The links not working. 

Based on the description though, not sure it's worth paying an extra £100 for if you're only going to play FM.  The CPU looks a bit better, but I think that one uses a Hard Drive whereas the one at box uses an SSD which will make things quicker on its own. 

You also don't need a dedicated GPU for FM. 

The other consideration is I believe laptops direct only offer a 3 month warranty on their refurb units, which I'd be wary of. 

If you want to look at refurb units, look at http://www.laptopstation.co.uk who offer a 12 month warranty on refurbed laptops. 

Thanks Kev, think that is sound advice and i will stick with the original suggestion and get a new unit. 

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Well after 10 years, my Mac has decided to bite the dust and am on the look out for a replacement. I've came across this one but am just wondering if this would be able to handle FM2020 on highest  3D graphics settings?

Also usually play with 7-9 leagues loaded and a large database with facepacks etc...

Apple iMac (21.5-inch Retina 4K display, 3.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i5, 8GB RAM, 1TB Fusion Drive)

  • 21.5-inch (diagonal) 4096x2304 Retina 4K display
  • Quad-core 8th-generation Intel Core i3 or 6-core 8th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
  • Radeon Pro 555X or 560X graphics processor

Fairly clueless when it comes to the above so any feedback will be appreciated.

Cheers.

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32 minutes ago, Rino72. said:

Well after 10 years, my Mac has decided to bite the dust and am on the look out for a replacement. I've came across this one but am just wondering if this would be able to handle FM2020 on highest  3D graphics settings?

Also usually play with 7-9 leagues loaded and a large database with facepacks etc...

Apple iMac (21.5-inch Retina 4K display, 3.4GHz quad-core Intel Core i5, 8GB RAM, 1TB Fusion Drive)

  • 21.5-inch (diagonal) 4096x2304 Retina 4K display
  • Quad-core 8th-generation Intel Core i3 or 6-core 8th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
  • Radeon Pro 555X or 560X graphics processor

Fairly clueless when it comes to the above so any feedback will be appreciated.

Cheers.

I always say - a Mac of most configurations will be fine. 

But for less money you can buy a Windows PC/Laptop for cheaper - with much better specs.

If you want to spend the money on the Mac - go for the i5 procesor - and the 560x is a slightly better graphics card. 

Get 8gb RAM - but you can order RAM for much cheaper to bring it up to 16gb - which I recommend - don't add RAM on the Mac site - it's a rip-off. You can buy it yourself, and there's easy access panels to replace it.

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7 minutes ago, Smurf said:

I always say - a Mac of most configurations will be fine. 

But for less money you can buy a Windows PC/Laptop for cheaper - with much better specs.

If you want to spend the money on the Mac - go for the i5 procesor - and the 560x is a slightly better graphics card. 

Get 8gb RAM - but you can order RAM for much cheaper to bring it up to 16gb - which I recommend - don't add RAM on the Mac site - it's a rip-off. You can buy it yourself, and there's easy access panels to replace it.

Thanks mate, appreciated. Fairly usless when it comes to this side of things, do you have any suggestions in mind?

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8 minutes ago, Rino72. said:

Thanks mate, appreciated. Fairly usless when it comes to this side of things, do you have any suggestions in mind?

For a laptop/pc? What's the actual budget?

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9 minutes ago, Smurf said:

For a laptop/pc? What's the actual budget?

PC, budget would be £1200 max give or take? My current Mac is a 25 inch screen so would ideally be after something in that ball park. Cheers.

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38 minutes ago, Rino72. said:

PC, budget would be £1200 max give or take? My current Mac is a 25 inch screen so would ideally be after something in that ball park. Cheers.

Much better than any Mac you could buy for that price.

Case
COOLERMASTER ELITE 130 CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-9600K (3.7 GHz) 9 MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® STRIX B360-I GAMING: Mini-ITX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2400MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1660 - HDMI, DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB INTEL® 660p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (upto 1500MB/sR | 1000MB/sW)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 350W VS SERIES™ VS-350 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 120 High Performance Liquid Cooler
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
GIGABIT LAN PORT + Wi-Fi (Wi-Fi excluded on H310I-PLUS)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Monitor
AOC I2790VQ/BT 27" IPS Monitor - 1920x1080
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 14 working days

Price: £1,178.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.ie/saved-configurations/intel-sff-gaming/04duFU5BUz/

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1 minute ago, Smurf said:

Much better than any Mac you could buy for that price.

Case
COOLERMASTER ELITE 130 CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 Six Core Processor i5-9600K (3.7 GHz) 9 MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® STRIX B360-I GAMING: Mini-ITX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2400MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1660 - HDMI, DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB INTEL® 660p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (upto 1500MB/sR | 1000MB/sW)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 350W VS SERIES™ VS-350 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CoolerMaster MasterLiquid Lite 120 High Performance Liquid Cooler
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
GIGABIT LAN PORT + Wi-Fi (Wi-Fi excluded on H310I-PLUS)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Monitor
AOC I2790VQ/BT 27" IPS Monitor - 1920x1080
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 14 working days

Price: £1,178.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.ie/saved-configurations/intel-sff-gaming/04duFU5BUz/

That looks perfect, many thanks again. 

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2 minutes ago, Rino72. said:

That looks perfect, many thanks again. 

It's not an all in one. But it has a nice monitor - and a small form factor PC - it should be just a tiny box.

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So having done some more thinking and browsing I've found these two and debating about getting one of them as they're touchscreen but want to make sure they're decent enough to handle FM20?

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-envy-13-aq0502sa-13-3-intel-core-i7-laptop-512-gb-ssd-silver-10193556-pdt.html

Or

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-envy-x360-15-6-amd-ryzen-7-2-in-1-512-gb-ssd-black-10193313-pdt.html

@kevhamster

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1 hour ago, Mitchcp87 said:

Hi Everyone ,

 

Will the laptop linked below play football manager 2020 in 3D? 

Im planning to play just play one league at a time with a large db with a few extra nations loaded. 

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1690000

Thanks in advance 

Yes, should handle high settings with no problem at all. 

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Hi Guys,

Can you advise the best option from the following please, play 4 leagues with large database and 3d

https://www.very.co.uk/asus-fx705dt-au042t-amd-ryzen-5-8gb-ram-512gb-ssd-nvidianbspgtx-1650-4gb-graphics-173-inch-thin-bezel-pc-gaming-laptop-black/1600370362.prd

https://www.box.co.uk/FX504GD-E41275T-ASUS-TUF-FX504GD-E41275T_2458989.html

Top option has poorer processor but better graphics card than bottom option

Would be interested in opinions on how much impact this would have as would like the larger screen but dont want to compromise performance too much 

 

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59 minutes ago, zakbrown96 said:

Seeing as my laptop can’t handle Fm this should right @Smurf 

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Yes, that will have no problem with FM at all. 

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43 minutes ago, pizzachips said:

Hey guys.. if fm 19 worked fine on my laptop should i expect the same with fm20.. thx

Depends.... In theory yes, but I believe the 3D graphics are a bit more demanding this year. 

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9 minutes ago, drumavillefc said:

Hi Guys,

Can you advise the best option from the following please, play 4 leagues with large database and 3d

https://www.very.co.uk/asus-fx705dt-au042t-amd-ryzen-5-8gb-ram-512gb-ssd-nvidianbspgtx-1650-4gb-graphics-173-inch-thin-bezel-pc-gaming-laptop-black/1600370362.prd

https://www.box.co.uk/FX504GD-E41275T-ASUS-TUF-FX504GD-E41275T_2458989.html

Top option has poorer processor but better graphics card than bottom option

Would be interested in opinions on how much impact this would have as would like the larger screen but dont want to compromise performance too much 

 

If you're purely talking FM, then the CPU is what you need to be considering more, so you'd want the one from Box with the Intel CPU as it has the better single core performance according to the benchmarking sites. 

If you're playing other games as well, it's a harder one to call. Although the graphics card in the Box one is still very good. 

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15 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

I believe it would, but the other one looks better to me. 

It’s just the fact it’s smaller and easier to take on the train etc 

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16 minutes ago, zakbrown96 said:

It’s just the fact it’s smaller and easier to take on the train etc 

Based on what I can see, either will work. 

 

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16 minutes ago, sirj09 said:

https://www.box.co.uk/NX.EFREK.014-Acer-Extensa-15_2612001.html

 

is this the best “cheapest” that will play fm20 to a decent enough standard? 

Depends on how many leagues you plan to run, database size etc. 

It will run FM reasonably well if you're not pushing too hard in that regard. 

But, I think you're correct in that you'd be hard pushed to find something better at that price point. 

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10 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Depends on how many leagues you plan to run, database size etc. 

It will run FM reasonably well if you're not pushing too hard in that regard. 

But, I think you're correct in that you'd be hard pushed to find something better at that price point. 

I only play with English leagues from league 2 upwards on large will that be ok? 

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26 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Based on what I can see, either will work. 

 

Would the graphics be good then even if only 2gb graphics?

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14 minutes ago, sirj09 said:

I only play with English leagues from league 2 upwards on large will that be ok? 

Yep, I reckon that'd be fine. 

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2 minutes ago, zakbrown96 said:

Would the graphics be good then even if only 2gb graphics? 

For FM, yes. When it comes to FM, a dedicated graphics card is not important.  I was playing FM19 on a laptop with integrated graphics and it ran smoothly even at high graphics quality settings. 

If you're also playing other games then you will need to consider a dedicated graphics card. But if FM is the only game you play then you will easily do without it. 

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2 minutes ago, mI a legend said:

Would this play fm 20, i usually play with 4 leagues (england, germany, italy, spain) and a large database.

https://www.mediamarkt.es/es/product/_portátil-asus-f543ba-gq480t-15-6-hd-amd®-dual-core-a6-9225-8gb-256gb-ssd-w10-1465514.html#especificaciones

It will play it, but I think it will run very slowly. 

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Looking for a new machine to play FM as the old one sadly died on holiday this year!

Trouble is, I need a screen size 13 inch or under but many specs leave a lot to be desired. I have considered moving to an Apple MacBook Air as my iPhone and iPad have been fab (and I’m sick of windows updates) but have heard they are not good for running FM? Can anyone give an opinion on this? 

If not a M.Air, then any other suggestions for a windows machine that would be suitable? Looked at the Dell XPS 13 but just under a grand seems pricey for what it is...

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And got a new laptop not just for FM20 but maybe 90% for it?

https://www.box.co.uk/FX705DT-AU042T-ASUS-TUF-Gaming-FX705DT-AU042T_2561592.html

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Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3550H Quad Core (2.1GHz, 6MB Cache, 3.7GHz Max Boost Clock)
Screen 17.3" (1920x1080 Full HD Resolution, IPS)
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
RAM 8GB (DDR4 2666MHz)
Solid State Drive 512GB NVMe SSD
Hard Drive Not Included - 512GB SSD
Graphics Dedicated (NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1650 with 4GB Dedicated Memory)
Optical Drive Not Included (Designed To Be Thin & Light) - External Optical Drive Available Seperately for £29.99
Bluetooth Bluetooth 5.0
Wireless LAN Wireless (802.11ac Wireless)
Network Card 10/100/1000 Gigabit Fast Ethernet
Integrated Webcam Integrated HD Webcam with Microphone
Speakers Integrated Sound System
USB Ports 2x USB 3.1, 1x USB 2.0
HDMI Port 1x HDMI 2.0 Port
Charge Time 3.5 Hours
Battery Life 5-6 Hours (up to 5 hours with power management)
Backlit Keyboard RGB Backlit Keyboard
Weight 2-3 Kg (This Model 2.7 Kg)
Warranty ASUS 12 Month Collect & Return Warranty (View More Information)
Product Type Gaming laptop
Keyboard Type Laptop Keyboard
Colour Black
Basket Attach 15.6" ASUS Gaming Laptop

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, liverpool-fc said:

Looking for a new machine to play FM as the old one sadly died on holiday this year!

Trouble is, I need a screen size 13 inch or under but many specs leave a lot to be desired. I have considered moving to an Apple MacBook Air as my iPhone and iPad have been fab (and I’m sick of windows updates) but have heard they are not good for running FM? Can anyone give an opinion on this? 

If not a M.Air, then any other suggestions for a windows machine that would be suitable? Looked at the Dell XPS 13 but just under a grand seems pricey for what it is...

Would 13.3" be ok, or does it need to be 13.0" and under? 

https://www.box.co.uk/5TJ81ETABU-HP-ProBook-430-G6_2463360.html

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41 minutes ago, kevhamster said:

Would 13.3" be ok, or does it need to be 13.0" and under? 

https://www.box.co.uk/5TJ81ETABU-HP-ProBook-430-G6_2463360.html

13.3” is fine. That looks great on specs thanks.

Only other thing is that I’ve had a few bad experiences with HP in the past. Could give them another go though. 

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@kevhamster thank you for that just ordered the Dell thought with the graphic card and an newer processor I’ll get probably an extra 3 years out of it

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Thinking about the HP that was recommended earlier. Just out of interest, how would this MacBook Air cope with FM2020? https://www.johnlewis.com/2017-apple-macbook-air-13-3-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-128gb-pcie-based-ssd/p3081001?sku=236643138&&s_kwcid=2dxLIA-EHT&tmad=c&tmcampid=2&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhcC_1rPM5QIVxLTtCh13gwmuEAQYASABEgLup_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Has an i5 processor which should provide good CPU processing? 

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3 hours ago, liverpool-fc said:

Thinking about the HP that was recommended earlier. Just out of interest, how would this MacBook Air cope with FM2020? https://www.johnlewis.com/2017-apple-macbook-air-13-3-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-128gb-pcie-based-ssd/p3081001?sku=236643138&&s_kwcid=2dxLIA-EHT&tmad=c&tmcampid=2&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhcC_1rPM5QIVxLTtCh13gwmuEAQYASABEgLup_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Has an i5 processor which should provide good CPU processing? 

I'm not very well versed with Macs, but it's only a 6th generation I5 which is a little outdated these days. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, kevhamster said:

I'm not very well versed with Macs, but it's only a 6th generation I5 which is a little outdated these days. 

 

 

Ok scrap that idea then! Finally, today I’ve had a look at some of the 15.6” machines, and noticed many offer dedicated graphics cards for roughly the same price e.g. https://www.box.co.uk/FX504GD-E41275T-ASUS-TUF-FX504GD-E41275T_2458989.html

My question is: if I could put up with the bigger size, what kind of advantage does this give me in terms of running games? Will it be significantly better than the HP 13” laptop highlighted earlier or not much difference?

Thanks for all the advice, very helpful!

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3 minutes ago, liverpool-fc said:

Ok scrap that idea then! Finally, today I’ve had a look at some of the 15.6” machines, and noticed many offer dedicated graphics cards for roughly the same price e.g. https://www.box.co.uk/FX504GD-E41275T-ASUS-TUF-FX504GD-E41275T_2458989.html

My question is: if I could put up with the bigger size, what kind of advantage does this give me in terms of running games? Will it be significantly better than the HP 13” laptop highlighted earlier or not much difference?

Thanks for all the advice, very helpful!

For running games, this will be a huge improvement. It has dedicated graphics which is required for many modern games, of course it does depend what games you're thinking of playing. 

For example, this system would probably handle Fallout 4 quite nicely but I'm not sure the GPU would handle the upcoming PC version of Red Dead Redemption 2.

It would be very good for FM though! 

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On 02/11/2019 at 12:07, stato_bennett said:

So having done some more thinking and browsing I've found these two and debating about getting one of them as they're touchscreen but want to make sure they're decent enough to handle FM20?

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-envy-13-aq0502sa-13-3-intel-core-i7-laptop-512-gb-ssd-silver-10193556-pdt.html

Or

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-envy-x360-15-6-amd-ryzen-7-2-in-1-512-gb-ssd-black-10193313-pdt.html

@kevhamster

I'd probably go for the Ryzen one of the two. Slightly higher base clock speed and more RAM.  They are both pretty decent though. 

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