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It would be good enough - but what's your budget and what's your expectations in your FM save, leagues run, 3d importance etc.

Not bothered about 3D atall

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Not bothered about 3D atall

And finally, your budget...

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And finally, your budget...

Budget is very limited, just had to decorate and furnish a whole flat, need cheap as possible that will run the game decently

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As you know, a limited budget can range from anything of 100 quid to a 1000 quid.

Depends what your limit is really. If you can throw out a roundabout figure that would be great.

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Hi dudes,

On the market for a new laptop too. 600-700 pound mark. Think I've settled on this bad boy.

https://m.johnlewis.com/hp-pavilion-15-ak002na-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-15-inch-full-hd-hybrid-green/p/2269674

What do we think? Could do with more ram, which I could get, but the graphics card might be more important for gaming.

What's more important to run FM 16 well? A proper gaming graphics card or higher ram (12 or 16gb, for example)?

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Hi dudes,

On the market for a new laptop too. 600-700 pound mark. Think I've settled on this bad boy.

https://m.johnlewis.com/hp-pavilion-15-ak002na-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-15-inch-full-hd-hybrid-green/p/2269674

What do we think? Could do with more ram, which I could get, but the graphics card might be more important for gaming.

What's more important to run FM 16 well? A proper gaming graphics card or higher ram (12 or 16gb, for example)?

Graphics cards and RAM are always secondary to the cpu as far as FM is concerned... 8gb is more than enough ram to run the game efficiently, anything after is for multitasking while playing, any dedicated graphics card will run 3d on medium to high in my experience, and most onboard graphics chips run the 3d perfectly adequately these days too.

But as far as the laptop you've selected goes.. it's good, if not amazing, probably there or there abouts for the price.

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I had ordered that one last week.

However, there was an issue with my order and it's been delayed.

I've just spotted this new one they advertised yesterday for £400:

http://www.qvcuk.com/Acer-15.6-Laptop-with-AMD-A9-9410-Processor-8GB-RAM%2C-1TB-HDD-128GB-SSD-%26-Case.product.508282.html

It has a much faster processor (2.9GHz up to 3.5GHz) but I am less familiar with AMD and Radeon R5 graphics, so was wondering if it is as good a deal as it appears?

It's their Special Value Deal which ends at midnight so if you or Welshace or anyone really could advise sometime today then that'd be great and if it's better than the other one then I'll switch to that one.

Thanks

EDIT: Looks like my original order is now in progress as they have taken the 1st instalment out of my bank account, although my order still says it is in process, like it has since I ordered it.

Ah well. That 2nd one does look really good though. Never mind.

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It's all subjective really. What's cheap to me might not be cheap to you... what's a fast computer to me, might not be for you...

Perhaps this would suit

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/K501UB-DM020T-ASUS-K501UB-DM020T_1845634.html

Or perhaps this

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-178344-093-MSI-GT72S-6QF(Dominator-Pro-Dragon-4K)-0_1919344.html

Thanks.

I'm just confused about how I could buy a laptop that was good enough for £379.36 four years ago, but now I have to pay even more to get one. Isn't power meant to double while price halves every year?

FYI, this was the laptop I bought in May 2012, which ran FM15 fine, with 3D and large database: Toshiba Satellite Pro C660-2JR Laptop, Intel Core i3 2350M 2.3GHz, 640GB HDD, 6GB RAM, 15.6" HD, DVDRW, Intel HD, Webcam, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Surely I should now be able to buy something at least twice as powerful for at least half the price...

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Thanks.

I'm just confused about how I could buy a laptop that was good enough for £379.36 four years ago, but now I have to pay even more to get one. Isn't power meant to double while price halves every year?

FYI, this was the laptop I bought in May 2012, which ran FM15 fine, with 3D and large database: Toshiba Satellite Pro C660-2JR Laptop, Intel Core i3 2350M 2.3GHz, 640GB HDD, 6GB RAM, 15.6" HD, DVDRW, Intel HD, Webcam, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Surely I should now be able to buy something at least twice as powerful for at least half the price...

Please post your budget. That's the only way we can recommend something for you.

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Please post your budget. That's the only way we can recommend something for you.

My budget is as cheap as is physically possible! I paid £379 four years ago, so would be looking to pay less than that

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This should run FM16, right? Toshiba Satellite Pro C660-2JR Laptop, Intel Core i3 2350M 2.3GHz, 640GB HDD, 6GB RAM, 15.6" HD, DVDRW, Intel HD, Webcam, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

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Guys

Some help please. Sons 18th soon would like a new laptop.

I have budget of £350-£380 Hoping I can get him a fairly fast one that will run fm16 (3 leagues). Hold all his so called music, and plenty of room for all his college work.

Thanks in advance.

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This should run FM16, right? Toshiba Satellite Pro C660-2JR Laptop, Intel Core i3 2350M 2.3GHz, 640GB HDD, 6GB RAM, 15.6" HD, DVDRW, Intel HD, Webcam, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Hey, it's a fairly old cpu, and will struggle with the game for much more than a league or two.. it will certainly be lagging and getting hot over time.

Guys

Some help please. Sons 18th soon would like a new laptop.

I have budget of £350-£380 Hoping I can get him a fairly fast one that will run fm16 (3 leagues). Hold all his so called music, and plenty of room for all his college work.

Thanks in advance.

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/80EW02DGUK-Lenovo-B50-80_1906724.html - pretty decent, has a good cpu and plenty of storage space..

Has anyone got this laptop and can they tell me if it's decent? Only downside is no full HD screen compared to the one posted from saveonlaptops which is out of stock and has been for a while. Budget is 500 and mostly using it for Netflix, general use and FM.

http://www.ebuyer.com/737835-msi-cx6...9s7-16j322-425

Downside is the old gen cpu really tbh..

I've not been able to find a better deal than these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Z51-70-80K601CPUK-i7-5500U-Processor/dp/B01FFUU39W/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1467566871&sr=1-2

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It would run the game fine, i'm sure.. not amazingly, but adequately enough... be aware that the price shown is excluding VAT ...

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It would run the game fine, i'm sure.. not amazingly, but adequately enough... be aware that the price shown is excluding VAT ...

Yeah I noticed that after I posted earlier. It's still within my budget (which is £500). I'm just not sure what would be best or the which processers etc are better than others.

There should be a website just for FM where you put your budget it in and it goes straight to the best computers available lol

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cpu's are easy enough to compare.. literally just put two cpu model numbers into google and a whole host of comparison sites will come up.

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cpu's are easy enough to compare.. literally just put two cpu model numbers into google and a whole host of comparison sites will come up.

Oh no I know you can do that, but it's more about I don't know how well FM would run on them.

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Oh no I know you can do that, but it's more about I don't know how well FM would run on them.

Nobody knows how well FM would run on them - because nobody else but you know what you mean by "well". But it really is as easy as that, at least if we keep the 3D graphics out of the equation; Better (faster) processors will run FM better (faster). So buy the best processor you can within your budget. That's really the easy bit. It gets more complicated if you in addition to caring about FM performance also care about things like screen quality and resolution, general build quality and quality "feel", heat and noise, battery capacity, maybe you want to be able to play other games with more demanding graphics, et cetera et cetera. Then you need to allocate proportionally more of your budget onto these other things, and maybe settle for a slower processor to keep within budget. But really; if you have a list of processors ranged from fastest to slowest (it isn't quite that straighforward), then buy the computer that has the fastest of them, within your budget. That will be the best computer for FM, for you and your budget.

I'm not familiar with the UK market, but I would have a guess at the Intel Core i5 6200U as the best processor (of the latest generation) you can get in a laptop for £500 or less. If not that, then the Core i3 6100U. The Dell you linked to has a Core i5 5200U of the previous generation, and it's not bad either, it's processor is among the best you can get within your budget, I would think. I'm assuming now that UK laptop prices are not wildly different from the rest of Europe.

The U at the end of model numbers denote a ULV (ultra low voltage) processor, and next up in line we get into the "full blooded" Core laptop processors, like the Core i3 6300HQ, the Core i5 6500HQ, the Core i7 6700HQ etc. These operate at a higher voltage, with much higher power drain and heat emissions than the "U"'s, and quite frankly they offer considerably better performance as well. But you need not concern yourself with these, as I doubt you can get one of them in a laptop for £500 or less. But maybe I'm wrong, and you can.

A list that puts processors in descending order of overall performance you can find here.

This lists both desktop and laptop processors, but you can switch to "show only notebook processors" and then click "restrict" to list only mobile (laptop) processors.

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Oh no I know you can do that, but it's more about I don't know how well FM would run on them.

Try this site:

http://www.game-debate.com/hardware/index.php?gid=1977&graphics=GeForce%20830M%202GB

I've already chosen the graphics card that Dell laptop you mention above has.

You'll have to input the rest of it for the test as that doesn't get updated with the link so scroll down a bit and input:

i5-5200u....where it says select CPU and then choose the top one in the list (2.2GHz)

8GB.....for RAM

fm.......for game and pick FM16

From what it shows, the CPU and graphics card are approx twice as good as what is recommended, and the RAM 4x

But take a look yourself and then use that site if you want to check other laptops, etc out to compare.

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Out of curiosity, money no object, what is the dream FM machine and what improvements would I see over my current top of the line MBP from 2013? In particular looking at how many leagues I can load/how fast I can progress through seasons.

ATM it's running slow as hell running 3 leagues (fresh install of OSX).

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Reason I ask is that I've been debating separating church and state (have all programming on mac, have all games on a windows laptop) and I'm curious to see what the disparity is.

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Out of curiosity, money no object, what is the dream FM machine and what improvements would I see over my current top of the line MBP from 2013? In particular looking at how many leagues I can load/how fast I can progress through seasons.

ATM it's running slow as hell running 3 leagues (fresh install of OSX).

Well, if we're sticking to laptops .... you can get laptops that has the top of the line, latest generation Core i7 desktop processors in them (like the Core i7 6700K, or even the 6950 Extreme, or even a Xeon ...), as well as the laptop equivalent of the Nvidia GTX 980 graphics card. Not the GTX 980M which is considerably weaker than it's desktop namesake, but the full fat one, the same as the desktop version, only made to fit into a (large) laptop body. Now that would obviously be a dream machine both for FM and for other games, and pretty much for everything else really, as long as performance is all we care about. However, such a beast comes with it's obvious drawbacks, such as being the least mobile of any mobile computer, going on battery wouldn't last you long, and so on. Like this one.

In the real world, where often some sensible compromises has to be made, I think I have what is close to a dream compromised machine both for FM and for other games. It has a Core i7 6700HQ processor, 8 GB of DDR4 RAM, a SSD + a HDD, and Nvidia GTX 970M - which is enough of a card to play most games on very high settings at full resolution - many can be maxed out. All this is put into a relatively slim and light chassis, and it comes with a very nice 15.6 inches 1920x1080 IPS screen and a keyboard that is nice to type on. The cooling system works very well, and there's no excessive heat or noise issues. It runs on Win 10 64. It's this one, only mine is branded differently and have some slight hardware changes (including a better screen).

I play with all default leagues ticked (meaning I tick all countries and play with the leagues that are loaded by default in that country), all playable. Advanced database, at the start of the save there are some 180.000 players loaded. The speed of the processing is ok with me, it may be too slow for others. I think it's an improvement over your 3 leagues running slow as hell, allthough I obviously don't know exactly what you mean by slow as hell. It takes me 3 or 4 good evenings of playing to get through a season, and I watch every match in extended mode (comprehensive mode if I make a new tactical tweak). I'm fine with that. I guess that if I only played 3 leagues, a season would take me a couple of hours? I don't really know for sure as I have always loaded up all leagues and the biggest database available with this game series for as long as I can remember. For me, it's the only way of playing. In the FM benchmark thread, the Core i7 6700HQ in that chassis is so far the fastest of all non-overclocked processors; it just a handful of OC'd processors outperforming it, most of them desktop processors.

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If I simulate an entire season, it takes like an evening (6 hours). I think there is a difference between the Windows and Mac versions in terms of speed as the Windows versions runs natively whereas the Mac version is a glorified chrome app?

In terms of making it significantly faster I think they need to make it 64 bit and to introduce more concurrency into the way that the processes thread.

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Hey, it's a fairly old cpu, and will struggle with the game for much more than a league or two.. it will certainly be lagging and getting hot over time.

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/80EW02DGUK-Lenovo-B50-80_1906724.html - pretty decent, has a good cpu and plenty of storage space..

Downside is the old gen cpu really tbh..

I've not been able to find a better deal than these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Z51-70-80K601CPUK-i7-5500U-Processor/dp/B01FFUU39W/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1467566871&sr=1-2

Thanks for the reply, it's decent but I've not had good experiences with Lenovo before. What about this PC specialist pre built one on ebuyer? It's been reduced and heard good things about them. My budget is 500ish but quite tempted to stretch to it.

http://m.ebuyer.com/726286

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That looks good - I'd go with that one, Gary.

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Hi all,

Apologies if this has already been asked as I havent had the time to read through the entire thread.

Im in the market for a new laptop as Ive had mine for over 6 years and its on its last legs, playing FM16 on it has become a right chore! Its so slow, no matter how many leagues I have running its performance is always just half a star.

Anyway at the end of the month im looking for a new laptop and ill have a budget of £220 maximum, I know this isnt a lot but there must be something that allows me to play FM16 comfortably at the very least, Im not bothered about the 3D graphics as I prefer the 2D classic view anyway.

I have been looking on AMazon and found this:

Lenovo Ideapad 15.6 inch notebook

Intel Celeron N2840,

4GB RAM

500 GB HDD

Intergrated graphics.

Price of this is £198

Like I said im not bothered about FM16 graphically, I just would like to make it run quicker, especially when I have the logos, face packs, backgrounds etc installed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!

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Hi all,

Apologies if this has already been asked as I havent had the time to read through the entire thread.

Im in the market for a new laptop as Ive had mine for over 6 years and its on its last legs, playing FM16 on it has become a right chore! Its so slow, no matter how many leagues I have running its performance is always just half a star.

Anyway at the end of the month im looking for a new laptop and ill have a budget of £220 maximum, I know this isnt a lot but there must be something that allows me to play FM16 comfortably at the very least, Im not bothered about the 3D graphics as I prefer the 2D classic view anyway.

I have been looking on AMazon and found this:

Lenovo Ideapad 15.6 inch notebook

Intel Celeron N2840,

4GB RAM

500 GB HDD

Intergrated graphics.

Price of this is £198

Like I said im not bothered about FM16 graphically, I just would like to make it run quicker, especially when I have the logos, face packs, backgrounds etc installed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers!

That processor performs even worse than the bay trail atoms and FM runs slow on those, try these laptops:

£220: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/a1-refurbished-hp-15-ac146na-silver-intel-core-i3-5020u-2.2ghz-4gb-500gb-dv-a1-v4n88ea/version.asp

and if you can stretch your budget by £30, then this is much better and will run FM fairly smoothly as it has the most powerful i3 of the last gen:

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/refurbished-grade-a1-hp-pavilion-15-ab271na-intel-core-i3-5157u-8gb-1tb-win-a1-k4e58ea-w10/version.asp

If you are willing to go used then this laptop will blow both these out of the water, much better (but older) processor better resolution, more portable and better build quality and it's avaliable on amazon:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/EliteBook-i5-3210M-2-50GHz-Windows-Professional/dp/B01BGXM65G/ref=sr_1_171?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1467875518&sr=1-171&keywords=laptop

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That processor performs even worse than the bay trail atoms and FM runs slow on those, try these laptops:

£220: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/a1-refurbished-hp-15-ac146na-silver-intel-core-i3-5020u-2.2ghz-4gb-500gb-dv-a1-v4n88ea/version.asp

and if you can stretch your budget by £30, then this is much better and will run FM fairly smoothly as it has the most powerful i3 of the last gen:

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/refurbished-grade-a1-hp-pavilion-15-ab271na-intel-core-i3-5157u-8gb-1tb-win-a1-k4e58ea-w10/version.asp

If you are willing to go used then this laptop will blow both these out of the water, much better (but older) processor better resolution, more portable and better build quality and it's avaliable on amazon:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/EliteBook-i5-3210M-2-50GHz-Windows-Professional/dp/B01BGXM65G/ref=sr_1_171?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1467875518&sr=1-171&keywords=laptop

I will check those out, thanks very much mate :)

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The last link there is the best one.

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The last link there is the best one.

Ive never bought a used laptop though, do they tend to be reliable?

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Ive never bought a used laptop though, do they tend to be reliable?

It's impossible to tell by looking at the photo - but clicking through and reading the guidelines on Amazon gives a fair idea

£219.99 + £12.99 UK delivery

Used - Very Good

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=3149161#electronics

Very Good: A well-cared-for item that has seen limited use but remains in great condition. The item and its instructions are complete and undamaged, but may show some signs of wear. The item works perfectly.

If your less than satisfied with the laptop and feel it's worn/damaged/unusable then you can always send it back, claiming consumer rights:

http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/i-want-to-return-something-bought-online

The Consumer Contracts Regulations are in addition to your other legal rights.

So, if your goods are faulty and don’t do what they're supposed to, or don’t match the description given, you have the same rights under the Consumer Rights Act as you have when buying face to face.

Any terms and conditions that say you must cover the cost of returning an item don'tt apply where the goods being returned are faulty.

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It's impossible to tell by looking at the photo - but clicking through and reading the guidelines on Amazon gives a fair idea

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=3149161#electronics

If your less than satisfied with the laptop and feel it's worn/damaged/unusable then you can always send it back, claiming consumer rights:

http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/i-want-to-return-something-bought-online

Thanks for that, I will look into them, cheers :)

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Hi all,

can anyone help me? I just want to upgrade my PC so I can play FM16 with max settings:

My PC shuts down when I play my first match.

these are specs of my PC:

Summary

Operating System

Windows 10 Pro 64-bit

CPU

AMD A8-5600K 58 °C

Trinity 32nm Technology

RAM

8,00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-10-24)

Motherboard

Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. F2A75M-D3H (P0) 31 °C

Graphics

HP L1740 (1280x1024@60Hz)

512MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 7560D (ATI) 8 °C

Storage

931GB Hitachi HDS721010DLE630 (SATA) 33 °C

Optical Drives

Optiarc DVD RW AD-5280S

Audio

High Definition Audio-apparaat

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What's your budget?

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Hi there please can anyone recommend me a laptop that will only be used for full fm for a budget of £350.

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Anyone played FM16 via steam on any of the steam consoles?

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Hello! Looking for a new laptop - needs to be able to play FM in 3d, play around 14 - 18 leagues comfortably (quick!)

I also use the laptop for first person shooters and strategy games like age of empires as well as use excel and access for work on it so need a fair amount of space. Also watch TV on it so screen is important.

Budget of around £800 but can be slightly flexible on that.

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This is pretty good: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/N551VW-FW238T-ASUS-N551VW-FW238T_1829315.html

The graphics card lets it down, so on fps's you may need to tone down the graphics settings to medium or high rather than ultra.

I always like pcspecialist laptops.. worth checking their website out:

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/pc-specialist-optimus-ii-gt17-960-xs-corei7-6700hq-12gb-1tb-17.3-windows-1-pcs-l861548/version.asp

Tbh, the world is your oyster with that sort of budget... so many decent choices. It will be a case of deciding on the smaller details, like quality of the screen, build quality and what you feel is more important in terms of cpu, graphics card or large harddrive etc

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Hi looking to get a new desktop mainly for fm and browsing Internet streaming music and movies I have a budget of around 6-700 I have seen this in the pic world sale would it be able to run a large database with most of the European leagues as well as Argentina Brazil and Mls to a good speed

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing/desktop-pcs/desktop-pcs/acer-predator-g3-710-gaming-pc-10137775-pdt.html

I have also put this together on pcspecialist what do you guys think would be the best option

Case

PCS ENIGMA 6003B BLACK CASE

Processor (CPU)

AMD FX-8350 Eight Core CPU (4.00-4.20GHz/8MB CACHE/AM3+)

Motherboard

ASUS® M5A97 R2.0 (DDR3, USB3.0, 6Gb/s)

Memory (RAM)

8GB Kingston DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card

2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 960 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP (Special!!)

1st Hard Disk

1TB SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 32MB CACHE

1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive

24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM

Power Supply

CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY

Processor Cooling

STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER

Thermal Paste

STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING

Sound Card

ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

Wireless/Wired Networking

WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD (£8)

USB Options

MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

Power Cable

1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)

Operating System

Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (£79)

Operating System Language

United Kingdom - English Language

Office Software

FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365

Anti-Virus

BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode

Browser

Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)

Warranty

3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)

Delivery

STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)

Build Time

Standard Build - Approximately 5 to 7 working days

Quantity

1

Price: £616.00 including VAT and delivery.

Unique URL to re-configure: http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/quotes/amd-bulldozer-top-spec-pc/568naTp!Be/

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Hi, I was just wondering how well this laptop would perform when playing Football Manager 16?

Would anyone be able to give me an estimate on the amount of stars I would get when starting up a normal save with a few leagues...

Any response would be great.

Link to see laptop: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-15-af154sa-15-6-laptop-red-10137893-pdt.html

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Being shipped out to Australia for a couple months for work and don't fancy playing FM on my work laptop, so need something to keep me going whilst out there. Shipping my desktop out is not an option, so that leaves me with the laptop option.

I'm currently running a i5-750 OC'd to around 3.8GHz so I would like something similar in performance. This gives me decent match processing speeds.

I have been looking at the Dell Inspiron 7000 (http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/7559-8045-Dell-Inspiron-15-7000-(7559)_1856981.html) which appears to get reasonably good reviews online. However, it is a Dell, and I have never had a good experience with a Dell. My current work laptop is a Dell in fact and the fans are constantly reminding me what it was like when concorde used to fly, even when just browsing a webpage!

Alternatively, I am quite tempted by an Ultrabook if I can get one with a good enough processor to not massively impact FM. Problem being, all intel U chips are dual-core which will impact FM heavily. An example would be this Asus I found (http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/K501UB-DM021T-ASUS-K501UB-DM021T_1869973.html)

Any suggestions from personal experience would be much appreciated.

Budget wise, I can stretch to around £700-850, but bare in mind this is likely only a temporary solution so if a cheaper option is available with similar performance then I would be very interested.

P.S. Anyone else having difficulties accessing the FM16 Benchmark thread? I just get a blank page when trying recently?

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This is pretty good: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/N551VW-FW238T-ASUS-N551VW-FW238T_1829315.html

The graphics card lets it down, so on fps's you may need to tone down the graphics settings to medium or high rather than ultra.

I always like pcspecialist laptops.. worth checking their website out:

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/pc-specialist-optimus-ii-gt17-960-xs-corei7-6700hq-12gb-1tb-17.3-windows-1-pcs-l861548/version.asp

Tbh, the world is your oyster with that sort of budget... so many decent choices. It will be a case of deciding on the smaller details, like quality of the screen, build quality and what you feel is more important in terms of cpu, graphics card or large harddrive etc

Superb - thanks for this, one question is the processor at 2.6ghz (or 3.5 turbo boost) good? Could I get better if I sacrifice some hard drive space?

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You'd be hard pushed to get a faster CPU on that budget.

You can do it on PC specialist, but it's only a marginal increase, and you lose the graphics card.

What's important to you? Speed or 3D?

If it's both then what Welshace posted is excellent. But I think you can do better on PC specialist.

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i7 6700k vs i7 6700.

Seriously considering upgrading my PC soon to one of the Skylake i7 cpus. I realise the "k" series are unlocked ready for overclocking, however I don't have much interest in overclocking.

If not overclocking, is there any benefit in taking the i7 6700k over the i7 6700? Is it a faster chip out of the box?

I'm probably going to answer my own question here (:p), so for me (and assuming it is faster out of the box), it gives me an additional option in future if I do decide to experiment with overclocking (with the right mobo); possibly (?) better resale value xx years down the line; and the c.£30 price difference isn't significant.

One final consideration is whether to wait for the new Kaby Lake cpus. The second half of 2016 is the only proposed release dates I've heard about so far, so perhaps I should force myself to be patient for a few months. But then if you always wait for the next best thing, you end up doing nothing...

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The difference is minimal between the two out the box.. the only reason to choose a 6700k is for overclocking tbh..

For me the only question is whether to wait for the new range to release meaning the skylake chips drop in price.

But than again, 30 notes isn't a lot , so may as well get the 6700k

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Yeh, I'm also interested to see what the next gen AMD chips will be like, although I don't have the patience to wait until 2017 if the latest rumours are true.

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