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I don't think it is that powerful & is more to do with FM16 being much better at using processor resources than it ever has been since the introduction of multi-core processors & in particular the Intel i-series. Until now it was really poor at using all of a cpu's available horsepower unless it was at the very low end of the performance scale.

I've gone back to my FM15 career save & the difference is immediately noticeable having played FM16.

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Ah, I see that now. So used to posts asking for help getting a better laptop than the one currently owned that I clearly went into autopilot.

An i5-2410m has put up a reasonable time in the benchmark thread & posted a time comparable to i7 cpu's on FM15 so for FM16 I expect the i5-2430m to do just fine & to be capable of more than a minimal league setup. Obviously this does depend on how well the Viao has been looked after during its life.

Keano, 5 years worth of clutter & grime could slow things down so making sure the laptop is nice & clean is always recommended.

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/454853-Football-Manager-16-Benchmark-Thread?p=10792827#post10792827

Sorry if going off-topic but any recommendations for cleaning up laptop? Googling it throws up lots of adverts and adware.

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Unless your really comfortable cleaning inside, i.e taking the laptop apart, i'd be careful about doing so, you can easily short the mobo and other components touching the wrong thing..

The easiest and best way to clean the fans/vents is a can of compressed air which is dirt cheap, and you just blow through the fans to loosen any dirt etc.

If you are happy taking the laptop apart you can obviously clean it much more thoroughly.

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You should be careful about using compressed air to blow through the fans; you could damage the fans that way. Blow through the air outlet openings instead. Either way, this is a rather sloppy quick fix for opening up the air flow inside the laptop a little, but in my experience not a long lasting one. All you're doing is blowing the dust further inside the laptop; it will be back. With a vengeance.

As for cleaning up unneccessary data/files that is clogging up your hard disk, there are numerous software to download and use for an automatic solution. I have been using the CCleaner for years; it does a good job, and is pretty safe (in my experience 100% safe) when using the default settings. Don't tweak the settings unless you absolutely know what you're doing. It has an option to clean up the registry as well; I have been using this too without incidents, but you should be extra careful about this - at least don't use it without backing up the registry first. And know what to do with that backup if things go bad.

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That clock rate refers to P4 & Intel Core architectures, a 5th generation i3 is significantly more powerful than a 2.2Ghz P4 therefore it comfortably exceeds the minimum specification.

I expected better from you as you know that clock speeds can't be compared across a decade of innovation & improvements.

I disagree, I have an i7 @ 2ghz and the game crawls on it, quad core.

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It shouldn't be, especially if you're playing FM16.

Are you pushing the limits with a very large game size?

Out of interest what i7 do you have? The benchmark thread has a 2670QM (2.2Ghz) posting a better time on FM16 than my 920 clocked at just under 4Ghz did on FM15.

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You should be careful about using compressed air to blow through the fans; you could damage the fans that way. Blow through the air outlet openings instead. Either way, this is a rather sloppy quick fix for opening up the air flow inside the laptop a little, but in my experience not a long lasting one. All you're doing is blowing the dust further inside the laptop; it will be back. With a vengeance.

As for cleaning up unneccessary data/files that is clogging up your hard disk, there are numerous software to download and use for an automatic solution. I have been using the CCleaner for years; it does a good job, and is pretty safe (in my experience 100% safe) when using the default settings. Don't tweak the settings unless you absolutely know what you're doing. It has an option to clean up the registry as well; I have been using this too without incidents, but you should be extra careful about this - at least don't use it without backing up the registry first. And know what to do with that backup if things go bad.

Sorry I thought I was being clear about taking the case off and blowing dust outwards, upon reading, I obviously wasn't .. I blame being overworked :thup:... Suffice to say, short bursts from many different angles won't damage fans at all and actually, it's the best way of doing the job without taking components apart and cleaning thoroughly..

Will also throw my hat in the ring for CCleaner, it's free and I use it regularly on all my towers and laptops. A good run of malwarebytes never hurts either.

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Greetings folks

Since my 2008 MacBook Pro can’t handle FM16 the way I would like to, so I’m on a look-out for a new laptop that enables:

a smooth FM16 experience with large database,

multiple leagues

and high/very high 3d settings.

Is this even possible with a budget of let’s say max. 875€/700£? I’m based in Berlin and Fm16 is pretty much the only game I play.

Please forgive my ignorance concerning hardware specs, but will this offer do the trick?

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/acer+aspire+e5+574g+56u6

I would appreciate any further input on what specs to aim for.

Much obliged.

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Not too bad at all, your budget will allow you to go for an i7-6500U which will be a better option but will add €200 to the cost, still with budget so worth considering.

btw go with the 6000 (skylake) series cpu, they are significantly better than their predecessors & an i5-6200U will likely be a close match for an i7-5500U in respect to FM performance.

Consider this one - https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/notebooks/asus+x555ub+dm245t

This is top end of your budget but grx card is a better - https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/notebooks/asus+f756ux+t7014t+notebook

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Not too bad at all, your budget will allow you to go for an i7-6500U which will be a better option but will add €200 to the cost, still with budget so worth considering.

btw go with the 6000 (skylake) series cpu, they are significantly better than their predecessors & an i5-6200U will likely be a close match for an i7-5500U in respect to FM performance.

Consider this one - https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/notebooks/asus+x555ub+dm245t

This is top end of your budget but grx card is a better - https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/notebooks/asus+f756ux+t7014t+notebook

Thanks for the advice Barside - much appreciated.

So I have to decide whether the €200 is worth the upgrade going from i5-6200U to i7-6500U in respect to FM performance.

Does the i7-6500U however have an impact of the graphical aspect of the game when in 3D? Or would the i5-6200U (

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/ace...e+e5+574g+56u6) still be smooth and fluid in high/very high setting?

If Save on Laptops would ship outside of UK I would have opted for the Dell Inspiron 15-7000 for £699, but they don't unfortunately.

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The first one I linked uses the same gfx card while the second has the next one up from Nvidia's lineup, both machines will outperform the i5 & it's just a matter of whether the top end of you budget is easy for you to cover, if it requires you stretching out your money & not having any money left until to next get paid then the i5 might be the bets choice, it has good specification & will be .more that adequate for FM.

Don't expect to run very high 3d settings on any of then, you should get high settings on the GTX950M & might manage it on the 940M with a few of the options turned down,

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Right, need to get rid of bloatcrapware from a Lenovo. Wondering if anyone can recommend a program.

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Right, need to get rid of bloatcrapware from a Lenovo. Wondering if anyone can recommend a program.

you could try pcdecrapifier - was bored on youtube the other day and stumbled across it - the guy then went onto ninite.com and used that to install all the software he wanted on his laptop.

I'm no expert so you might want to see if anyone else has had experience of these sites before trying, but I was impressed

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It shouldn't be, especially if you're playing FM16.

Are you pushing the limits with a very large game size?

Out of interest what i7 do you have? The benchmark thread has a 2670QM (2.2Ghz) posting a better time on FM16 than my 920 clocked at just under 4Ghz did on FM15.

Yeh the folks at FM were baffled too.

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I guess it could always be from a bad batch that got through quality control, highly unlikely & I am clutching at straws on that as I imagine it performs as expected in other high stress tasks otherwise I'm sure you would have had it changed.

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I'm looking to take the plunge on a new laptop. I want to play the game in 3D with the graphics on high. I usually load around 4/5 nations 100k players max. My budget will be £800 max. Any recommendations to help me make my decision would be appreciated. Thanks

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This will meet your needs https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/optimusVII-Pro-15/

Alternative with a much better cpu & the next cpu down is https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/optimusVII-15/

Another option is to not max out the cpu or gpu to save money https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/cosmosIV-15/ or to allow for money to be spent on PCIe storage https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/cosmosIV-15/

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I guess it could always be from a bad batch that got through quality control, highly unlikely & I am clutching at straws on that as I imagine it performs as expected in other high stress tasks otherwise I'm sure you would have had it changed.

I have another Laptop that's about 8 years old plays FM better than the newer i7.

http://ark.intel.com/products/33917/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T9300-6M-Cache-2_50-GHz-800-MHz-FSB

In my experience, the base frequency for FM seems to be important.

Maybe the newer architecture in the chips will run FM better. But it's hardly future proofing.

Best to recommend a chip that runs faster than the specs mention, than recommending a chip that's slower than what's recommended.

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It does sound like there's something wrong with your i7 chip or some other aspect of that system, have you had it professionally bench tested?

Have you moved to FM16? I agree that on older versions frequency trumped all but 16 appears to make much better use of multiple cores & HT technology.

Edit: Looking at the original i7 range the i7-6xx series chips were no better than the T9300, what i7 do you have? It's important when looking to quantify your experience.

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It's a pity there isn't a 2630QM in the benchmark thread for you to compare against, I just can't get passed the consideration that your chip or system setup is flawed & knowing that you're not a PC noob I can't see you having a flawed setup so it brings me back to having a flawed chip.

Have you run the passmark benchmark test &/or prime95 on the laptop?

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It's a fine computer and is great for my graphic design needs. FM is just too slow on it. On the 2.5ghz it's much smoother and faster.

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Hang on a second, did you mean to infer that you only had 4 cores on your i7? Just checked as I am confused by your reported performance & the 2630QM uses HT & Turbo Boost so it should be operating in 8 cores & for the most part when FM starts to apply processing load it should be upclocking to somewhere in the region of 2.5GHz. I wouldn't expect it to hit the full 2.9GHz frequency as thermal protection will probably intervene under prolonged cpu load & I can understand why SI staff were baffled.

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This will meet your needs https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/optimusVII-Pro-15/

Alternative with a much better cpu & the next cpu down is https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/optimusVII-15/

Another option is to not max out the cpu or gpu to save money https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/cosmosIV-15/ or to allow for money to be spent on PCIe storage https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/cosmosIV-15/

Thanks the feedback is very much appreciated

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Thanks for the input Mr. Barside - much appreciated.

After careful consideration, much thought and some late nights of research (going almost through the entire pages here an half the www : ) I made up my mind:

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/dell+inspiron+7559/incrpc/lastseen

Sprinkled with 8GB additional RAM (16GB in total) + 850 EVO SSD 250GB M.2. I can hopefully lead my Southhampton side to glory : )

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Out of interest, have you tried seeing what the same spec would be direct from Dell?

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Nice find. Not sure Dell will deliver to a private individual in Germany, Welshace.

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That extra €500 to your budget makes all the difference, you'll be enjoying many years of FM missionary work in Germany with that laptop. Get as many locals converted to the series & maybe one day SI will be able to get an official licenses from the DFB & DFL. :D

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Hi everyone, gutted to have missed out on some of the deals that have appeared on here.

I'm finally taking the plunge and getting a laptop. FM is the main game I'd be playing but I also need to be able map edit games using Unreal and the HL2 source (for genuine research purpsoes), and then run then at 40-60fps. Its been so long since I've used a laptop (its been desktop for years) that I'm totally at sea, especially when trying to compare i5's to i7's and such. I'm hoping someone will be able to help.

Budget: I'm thinking about £750 tops. I've seen some for less in the 550-650 bracket but I'm not sure if the leap to a 750 would make a huge difference.

Use: Gaming, 3D engine and map editing, streaming, browsing.

Portability: I don't mind if it is a huge laptop.

Games: FM16 (I don't mind playing on 2D but because of the other games 3D support needs to be a bit higher), HL2 and related games (Portal 2, Left for Dead 2, Skyrim, Fallout), Mordheim, Battlefleet Gothic.

FM Needs: I tend to play big journeyman saves with several leagues on at once - normally about 6-8 nations, with maybe 25 leagues max. I don't mind it being a bit slow processing it though.

Any suggestions?

So far I've seen a few that I've linked below that might be okay but I'm finding it difficult to tell. I'm assuming they're all fine for FM16, but to what extent and wether they can handle the others I'm not too sure. I'd also love a Chillblast Defiant (mainly because of the name and related Trek geekiness) but thats out of my price range.

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/P15F-v3-CF1-Gigabyte-P15F-v3-CF1_1768590.html

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/m/p/1858924

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/7559-8045-Dell-Inspiron-15-7000_1914815.html

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/80K6018MUK-Lenovo-Z51-in-Laptop_1882253.html

http://www.ebuyer.com/743878-medion-erazer-p6661-laptop-med30020522

http://www.ebuyer.com/743877-medion-akoya-p6659-laptop-med30020523

any help would be much appreciated!

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/7559-8045-Dell-Inspiron-15-7000_1856981.html

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Chassis & Display

Cosmos Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

Processor (CPU)

Intel® Core™ i7 Quad Core Processor 6700HQ (2.6GHz, 3.5GHz Turbo)

Memory (RAM)

16GB Kingston SODIMM DDR3 1600MHz (2 x 8GB)

Graphics Card

NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 940M - 2.0GB DDR3 Video RAM - DirectX® 12

Memory - Hard Disk

500GB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (5,400rpm)

M.2 SSD Drive

256GB M.2 2280, SATA 6Gb/s (564MB/R, 400MB/W)

DVD/BLU-RAY Drive

8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)

Memory Card Reader

Internal 9 in 1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD: Mini, XC & HC/MS: Pro & Duo)

Thermal Paste

ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND (£9)

Sound Card

Intel 2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack

Bluetooth & Wireless

GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® AC-8260 M.2 (867Mbps, 802.11AC) + BLUETOOTH

USB Options

3 x USB 3.0 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT AS STANDARD

Price: £764.00 including VAT and delivery.

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Sorry it was on PC specialist - forgot to post link and now I've lost it.

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I like smurf's suggestion, although I'd look to upgrade the graphics card.. you clearly like your games and although the 940 is decent, you might find any games coming out in the future will have to be played medium or low.

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If gaming is more your thing then a lower spec but still enough cpu & forgoing the PCIe SSD to free up funds for a higher spec GFX might is worth considering

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/computers/optimusVII-15/

Chassis & Display

Optimus Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

Processor (CPU)

Intel® Core™ i5 Quad Core Processor 6300HQ (2.3GHz, 3.2GHz Turbo)

Memory (RAM)

8GB Kingston SODIMM DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card

NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12

Memory - Hard Disk

500GB SEAGATE HYBRID 2.5" SSHD Drive, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (5400 rpm)

DVD/BLU-RAY Drive

Ultra Slim 8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)

Memory Card Reader

Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)

Thermal Paste

ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND

Sound Card

Intel 2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Cinema 2

Bluetooth & Wireless

GIGABIT LAN & KILLER™ 1535-AC M.2 WIRELESS GAMING 802.11AC + BLUETOOTH 4.0

£766.00 inc VAT

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Thanks! Those suggestions look great.

FM is my game of choice but for work (psychology research, honest) I need to something that can handle 3D fairly well. I'll have a look at those specs a bit more.

Am I right in saying the dell looks like the best trade off between the processor and graphics?

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Smurfs suggestion has everything right, apart from the graphics card, which is probably a priority in your case I would say..

Barside's goes a long way to correct that, but has to compromise slightly in other areas..

The Dell has everything Smurfs does apart from the amount of RAM and HDD options.. which imo are unnecessary anyway. ( You can cheaply add extra RAM if for some reason it's needed later)

And it's cheaper of course..

That said, it comes down to what your needs are... each of them is the better option in certain cases tbh...

Will you value graphics capabilities over anything else? that's the sort of thing you want to be asking yourself.

We're all just giving options :)

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How well do you reckon Dell Inspiron 15-7000 will run FM? Got this on order.

Intel Core i7-6700HQ Quad Core Processor

15.6" Full HD Screen

Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit

8GB DDR3 RAM

8GB SSD + 1000GB Hybrid HDD

Dedicated GeForce GTX 960M 4GB Graphics

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If you look at the previous 3 posts.. they all concern that exact model, which I just recommended to someone..

It will run FM perfectly fine.. on all levels.. graphics, processing... yup.

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:thup: Great stuff. Thanks everyone, you've all really helped make this process easier. I'll have a think.

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I like smurf's suggestion, although I'd look to upgrade the graphics card.. you clearly like your games and although the 940 is decent, you might find any games coming out in the future will have to be played medium or low.

Thanks for the catch on the graphics card. Yes I'd up that a bit to the 960.

Although I'd recommend going up another one to the 970.

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I looked at that as I have a gtx970m in my laptop & it's an excellent card, I just couldn't come up with a setup that didn't smash the budget & massively compromise on other components.

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Well indeed, there are almost always better cards and components to go for, but budgets are there for a reason.

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I'd really appreciate some expert opinion in helping me buy a new laptop, I live in New Zealand these days and electronics are so expensive here!

My budget is around $2000 and Iv narrowed it down to 3 choices, all with (I think!) the same processor Intel Core i7-6700HQ Processor & graphics card NV GTX 960M

At this point i'm not sure if SSD or Ram is better for a laptop for my needs.

I'd play FM on large database, with several leagues playable, other than this just use it for browsing internet, listening to music & watching netflix etc

http://www.justlaptops.net.nz/asus-rog-gl552-skylake-i7-6700hq-16g-1t-ips-gtx960-4159 - this has 16GB Ram but no SSD, just 1TB HDD.

http://shop.jbhifi.co.nz/computers-laptops/laptops/dell-inspiron-15-7000-15-6-gaming-laptop/93255?utm_source=JB-NZ&utm_medium=button&utm_content=buy-online-button-tvs&utm_campaign=buy-online-button - this has 8GB Ram & 8GB SSD/1TB HDD

http://www.justlaptops.net.nz/msi-gp62-skylake-i7-6700hq-ssd-1tb-gtx960m-win10-4252 - this has 8GB ram & 128GB SSD/1TB HDD

I may of missed other key differences, open to suggestions really?

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