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Yeah the 2670QM wasn't that far behind the 3570 from the benchmarks iirc, it was just about level with the 2500k which I think I'm right in saying is the older version of the 3570k so it must be pretty awesome for a laptop processor as I know they aren't quite as powerful as say a desktop processor with the same specs.

As I said before, I currently have a desktop with the Core 2 Quad Q660 but it's showing signs of it's age and is slowing down rapidly. With this also being a Quad, I'm just not sure how much in terms of an upgrade the 2670QM would be. It would need to be quite a bit for me to consider it.

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Yeah the 2670QM wasn't that far behind the 3570 from the benchmarks iirc, it was just about level with the 2500k which I think I'm right in saying is the older version of the 3570k so it must be pretty awesome for a laptop processor as I know they aren't quite as powerful as say a desktop processor with the same specs.

As I said before, I currently have a desktop with the Core 2 Quad Q660 but it's showing signs of it's age and is slowing down rapidly. With this also being a Quad, I'm just not sure how much in terms of an upgrade the 2670QM would be. It would need to be quite a bit for me to consider it.

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the 2670QM is a huge upgrade to the Q660, its a quad too btw ....

but yeah.. get a desktop if you can find one with a 3570k for the price

Yeah that's what I like about it, being in a laptop and all. Man, just a few years back, you couldn't even get a laptop with a quad.

Yeah I'll try and keep a lookout for a desktop with a 3570/k but I doubt I'll find one for such a bargain price.

This is a pretty good deal isn't it? I know the i7 2600 is very good.

http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/Acer_Aspire_X3990_1195329.html

Hmm... read bad things about this one though regarding no vga support.

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Hopefully you can find a good desktop deal, Welshace?

The laptop is still tempting though, weighing up my options. I will take your advice though and not spend £700+ just for FM because as you said, it is madness really and a waste of money. I'll try limit myself to £600.

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if you like the sound of a 3570k based system

http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/system/Cyberpower_Z77_configurator/

theres that... the basic spec is :

i5 3750k

8gb ram

the geforce gt 610 card (low spec card but it will breeze through FM and will run games like crysis, crysis 2 and skyrim etc in medium detail probably)

1tb HDD

get water cooling as standard on that aswell..

and that's £550 ... but you can play around with the specs to your hearts content.

there's lots out there, just need to know what you want and search really

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That system you linked didn't have an OS included in the price which is another 74 quid.

It's hard finding what I want for a cheap price. I've been on most of those custom PC sites and when I'm finished configuring, it ends up being £650+.

I need a monitor too if I'm going down the desktop route. I have one but it's old and would prefer a new one. I don't need much storage, 500GB would be fine. Even though I don't need a good graphics card, I would still want a better one than my current card (9500 GT) which would be the GT 630 or ATI 6570. I do like the sound of the 2500/k or 3570/k yeah.

The best deals atm are the 2 Acer's tbh. The laptop you linked & the Desktop I linked.

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I always worry that the stock cooling/PSU in these systems won't be sufficient enough? Would they be ok? I always change the PSU & CPU fans but maybe that is unnecessary?

if you can afford to change them... do so... but make sure you change to a decent one, as some of those named ones on those sites aren't much better than generic ones..

if you are going to change other components... bare in mind the psu might need additional power aswell.

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if you can afford to change them... do so... but make sure you change to a decent one, as some of those named ones on those sites aren't much better than generic ones..

if you are going to change other components... bare in mind the psu might need additional power aswell.

See this is why I'm thinking my original build on pc specialist with different PSU/CPU cooler, case etc. was worth it but then I remember it's only for FM. Maybe that laptop is the best overall deal for me then? What did you think of the Acer desktop I linked with i7 2600 Quad? Pretty amazing for the price imo despite dummy VGA port.

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it looks impressive but frankly.. the 2600 isn't any better than a 2500k when it comes to gaming or casual use really. and while the GT 2gb graphics card sounds impressive , it's actually lower range, and the GTS is better.

i would be much more inclined to go for something like a :

http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast-Fusion-Chimera.html

which has some decent quality components rather than the acer.

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it looks impressive but frankly.. the 2600 isn't any better than a 2500k when it comes to gaming or casual use really. and while the GT 2gb graphics card sounds impressive , it's actually lower range, and the GTS is better.

i would be much more inclined to go for something like a :

http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast-Fusion-Chimera.html

which has some decent quality components rather than the acer.

Alright I'll keep that in mind regarding the i7 2600. I'm guessing Acer make better laptops than desktops in general?

Yeah I like the Chimera. The only thing is and this might sound silly but I think the tower looks ugly and even the other ones you can upgrade to lol.

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acer certainly aren't the first i'd go to for a desktop put it like that!

it's just that I know chillblast and they are, in my experience, hugely reliable... they use quality parts, quality components and their warranty is decent too,

but honestly... search around.. you'll find many many websites

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I'm really swaying towards the laptop tbh. I know both of those processors are better but roughly how much of a performance increase would I be likely to see from a 2500k or 3570k compared with the 2670QM? Would there be that much of a difference when playing FM? 499.99 for that laptop is an incredible deal really.

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I've been reading around and indeed the 2670QM is about level with a stock i5 2500k which is astonishing for a laptop CPU really. It just shows you how much of a bargain this is really.

That's it, my mind is made up and I'll be purchasing the Acer laptop. I'll be removing the 2GB in the 2nd slot and be adding a 4GB stick so I have a very healthy 8GB :) I'll be upgrading to Windows 8 too for £15 which is a great deal from Microsoft. The bargain price of the laptop itself has enabled me to make these extra little upgrades. I may even invest in an SSD for it in the future as I've read that they are extremely fast in comparison to the now ageing HDD's.

Cheers for the advice Welshace and especially the link to that amazing deal :thup:

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Nah I'm avoiding AMD processors as I've heard bad things about them and that the 8120 or even the higher 8150 don't beat the 2500k.

The 2nd one looks good though and yeah I had already been on Palicomp and seen that one. Are Palicomp any good? If so, it'll be between this and the laptop as I like the upgrade case options on Palicomp, the Aerocool Strike X (The case in your 1st link).

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that laptop is perfectly capable peter... if not a bit expensive for what it is.... it'll run fm13 fine...

the only thing i'd be concerned about is the lack of word on what graphics chip its packing... doesn't even say.. although its a safe bet its onboard. plus its fujitsu, never been a huge fan of them..

but yeah.... the processor is fine, plenty of ram... you'll be ok

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Nah I'm avoiding AMD processors as I've heard bad things about them and that the 8120 or even the higher 8150 don't beat the 2500k.

The 2nd one looks good though and yeah I had already been on Palicomp and seen that one. Are Palicomp any good? If so, it'll be between this and the laptop as I like the upgrade case options on Palicomp, the Aerocool Strike X (The case in your 1st link).

yeah AMD are lagging... but their new A series chips will close the gap considerably.. especially with integrated graphics.. they can run modern games on those things easily.

if it's between the laptop and the desktop ... stuff to consider :

desktop is upgradable and will have better game performance overall

laptop is portable, convenient and cheaper

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ive used them before and they've been perfect... good feedback from them all the way through and were helpful..

some have had bad experiences with them in the past but its the same for all companies tbh...

either way... imma stop confusing the matter with more specs etc! whatever you go for.. you'll be happy with im sure...

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ive used them before and they've been perfect... good feedback from them all the way through and were helpful..

some have had bad experiences with them in the past but its the same for all companies tbh...

either way... imma stop confusing the matter with more specs etc! whatever you go for.. you'll be happy with im sure...

Alright that's good to know, cheers. Yeah, too many options to pick from lol, I'll make a decision soon though.

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that laptop is perfectly capable peter... if not a bit expensive for what it is.... it'll run fm13 fine...

the only thing i'd be concerned about is the lack of word on what graphics chip its packing... doesn't even say.. although its a safe bet its onboard. plus its fujitsu, never been a huge fan of them..

but yeah.... the processor is fine, plenty of ram... you'll be ok

Cheers for the feedback. I thought it was quite good value seen as it has an Ivy Bridge i5, struggled to find a better processor under the £400 mark.

Having checked with Fujitsu, it has Intel HD Graphics 4000, which should be enough for what I want it to do. Thanks again for the help

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you'll struggle to play fm very well at all on anything at £250

but

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/ASUS_A1_Pentium_B950_Dual_Core_2.1GHz_4GB_RAM_320GB_HDD_DVD-RW_15.6_TFT_WX_A1-X54HY-SX082V/version.asp

thats pretty decent..

even has dedicated graphics card on it...

or...

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/nav/pb/03/pb/04/processor/intelcorei3/type/laptops/0?&isort=ratingsort

they are all i3's but are refurbished.. most to A1 grade...

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you'll struggle to play fm very well at all on anything at £250

but

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/ASUS_A1_Pentium_B950_Dual_Core_2.1GHz_4GB_RAM_320GB_HDD_DVD-RW_15.6_TFT_WX_A1-X54HY-SX082V/version.asp

a large database, so nothing fancy is needed, will the second one do the job well?

thats pretty decent..

even has dedicated graphics card on it...

or...

http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/nav/pb/03/pb/04/processor/intelcorei3/type/laptops/0?&isort=ratingsort

they are all i3's but are refurbished.. most to A1 grade...

Thanks for that, I only run 5 or 6 leagues with a large database, will The second one do the job?

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550w should be enough easily... but if you are unsure.. email palicomp as you are purchasing...

It's their job to go through everything with you in detail if you request, and most people do.. Ask them what psu they are putting in and ask if it will be enough to power the system..

but 550w should be enough for the overclock, the graphics card and the fans etc for sure...

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Thanks for that, I only run 5 or 6 leagues with a large database, will The second one do the job?

what second one?

the second link is to a whole bunch of them?

if you mean the samsung RV511.. then sure.. you could run it fairly easily

but there's an error on that one... in the main description they say 3gb ram... in the second screen, they say 1gb ram :/ i'd check with them first

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oh.. essentially , it should... the cpu is on par with a fast core 2 duo... so yeah.. i'd say you should be fine.. be warned the HDD is tiny 250Gb and only 2gb ram... but yeah, you'll be fine id say

id'd be much more inclined to wait a month or two to get some more cash together... the jump in quality you can get for just another £100 or so is huge

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550w should be enough easily... but if you are unsure.. email palicomp as you are purchasing...

It's their job to go through everything with you in detail if you request, and most people do.. Ask them what psu they are putting in and ask if it will be enough to power the system..

but 550w should be enough for the overclock, the graphics card and the fans etc for sure...

Cheers, and yeah I emailed them yesterday and this was the reply I received about 15 mins ago:

Hi,

Thanks for looking at Palicomps systems for your computer needs.

All our 550W PSUs are currently being upgraded free of charge to 650W

models. They are ACE branded and work fine with overclocked systems, the

only time anything more is required is if adding an upgraded graphics card.

Hope this helps and if you need anything else then let us know.

Many Thanks

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I've heard bad things about Palicomp and the whole changing their name on ebay thing etc but I guess the moaners will always be heard loudest. Tbh if they were that bad they could easily have ripped me off and said that I needed to upgrade the PSU but they didn't, which is a good sign.

I've read that it's important to get a good PSU though that delivers the wattage as advertised. I know some only reach that as a peak and not a continual output. I can't say I've ever heard of ACE.

Nah, it's only like £16 to buy! That seems to cheap imo and I've read bad reviews about it, breaking within 2 weeks etc. So I can't take the risk with it. It seems as if I'm wanting a good PSU, I should go with Corsair, Seasonic, XFX, Cooler Master etc.

It looks to me as if you get what you pay for whem choosing a PSU and ACE is well too cheap. You said you build your own systems am I correct? What PSU brand do you choose?

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After my previous comments about the amazing value, ordered that one myself. Arrived Friday and confirm its a cracking laptop. Not done much FM, but first game loaded 19 leagues and 72000 players and ran like a dream, the 3d graphics also as smooth as.........well lets keep this polite and say very smooth ;)

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After my previous comments about the amazing value, ordered that one myself. Arrived Friday and confirm its a cracking laptop. Not done much FM, but first game loaded 19 leagues and 72000 players and ran like a dream, the 3d graphics also as smooth as.........well lets keep this polite and say very smooth ;)

When you were using that setup did you feel it had potential to run more leagues and players than that at a good speed?

Still very interested in this.

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I'm interested in the Acer as well. I'd been thinking about something with a SSD for faster saving of games, but I can't seem to find one that matches up otherwise. I'd also considered going down the desktop route, but I wouldn't know where to start. My budget is about £600 and I already have a monitor etc - I presume you still get more bang for your bucks in a desktop compared to a laptop these days?

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I'm interested in the Acer as well. I'd been thinking about something with a SSD for faster saving of games, but I can't seem to find one that matches up otherwise. I'd also considered going down the desktop route, but I wouldn't know where to start. My budget is about £600 and I already have a monitor etc - I presume you still get more bang for your bucks in a desktop compared to a laptop these days?

much more bang for buck in desktops for sure...

especially if you already have a monitor etc... do you have an operating system?

saw this the other day.. looked brilliant value to me

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/pcs/nti09.html

or a bit less so for those on a lesser budget...

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/pcs/pc-1625.html

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What about AMD processors and graphics cards to play FM? What would be a good AMD laptop build?

And a 2 years warranty isn't a plus if you can get one free?

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Hi guys, going to piggy back this thread also if I may....

My work IT upgrade (yes, I have the best job in the world and am able to play FM all day!) has fallen nicely to coincide with FM13 so thought I would ask a bit of advice regarding a couple of desktops that are possible for me.

Only problem is that we only run HP equipment so that limits my options somewhat.

Currently desktop is Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E4600 2.4GHz, 1.97GB RAM, I can just about run FM12 on this with 5 nations and large database but it is frustratingly slow. 3D Matches, no chance!

The 2 systems that I am looking at are as follows:-

HP HPE H9-1230ea Phoenix

Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz 8MB L3 Cache

6GB DDR3 (1 x 2GB, 1 x 4GB)

1TB SATA 6G

AMD Radeon HD 7770 GHz (2GB dedicated) with Avivo Technology

or

HP Pavilion HPE h8-1350ea

Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz 8MB L3 Cache

8GB DDR3 (2 x 4GB)

2TB SATA 6G

AMD Radeon HD 7570 (2GB Dedicated) with Avivo Technology

Thoughts please guys or can anyone suggest something more appropriate from the HP range?

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