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50 minutes ago, Smurf said:

Talked about plenty before. 

U processors are deliberatetly underclocked as to preserve battery. 

 

Thanks.

I had actually read through the last few pages before posting. Somehow I managed to miss  that on the same page you had already mentioned this. :idiot:

I'm from Australia and looking at laptops for around $800-1300 AUD. I must have looked at about 30-40 laptops and ALL seem to have U processors. 

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Where are you buying from :)

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27 minutes ago, Smurf said:

Where are you buying from :)

I've looked at these Aussie sites so far.

https://www.thegoodguys.com.au/computers-tablets-and-accessories/desktop-and-laptop/laptops-and-notebooks

https://www.harveynorman.com.au/computers-tablets/computers/laptops

EDIT: here is a legit Australian site that sells products much cheaper than retail price.

https://www.kogan.com/au/shop/tablets-laptops/laptops/?order_by=-price

Again, all I'm seeing is U processors. 

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35 minutes ago, NabsKebabs said:

I was just about to give up! 

Wasn't able to find anything in your price range - however - this is quite good https://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers-tablets/laptops/hp/hp-power-pavilion-15-cb059tx-15-6-laptop-i7/452500/

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3 minutes ago, Smurf said:

I was just about to give up! 

Wasn't able to find anything in your price range - however - this is quite good https://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers-tablets/laptops/hp/hp-power-pavilion-15-cb059tx-15-6-laptop-i7/452500/

Cheers!!! 

That looks really good actually. i'm by no means an expert but looks very decent in all areas. $359 off at the moment means I'll probably make a move for it. Thanks again for your help, appreciate it. It was just U processors left, right and centre.

P.S. is it just me or do us Aussies have a very limited and overpriced choice of laptops?

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Anybody got actual experience with the GeForce GTX 1050?  I am looking at a new laptop, it will likely be MSI and the model i am looking at comes with the 1050, but its passmark rating looks crazy low for some reason, below older cards like the 970 and miles below the 1060, despite in theory not a massive price difference between the cards. 

Problem is, i also cant seem to find anywhere which would customise an MSI laptop, and they dont seem to sell direct. 

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Same here in Ireland! 

Weird!

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Hi Smurf, could you recommend me a laptop from Argos?

Budget is £600-£700, cheaper the better of course lol. 

I prefer Argos as it's down the road and I can collect it rather than wait for a delivery.

Thanks in advance.

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3 minutes ago, AlGlr said:

Hi Smurf, could you recommend me a laptop from Argos?

Budget is £600-£700, cheaper the better of course lol. 

I prefer Argos as it's down the road and I can collect it rather than wait for a delivery.

Thanks in advance.

I know I went over

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/7307823

 

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31 minutes ago, Crassie said:

2nd one

If no disc drive - you can download via steam - or buy a drive and plug it in - they're very cheap. You might even pick up a 2nd hand one from someone for cheap or free. 

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Hi! I'm italian.

FM18 works very slow.

This is my PC:

Windows 7 64 bit
Processor: AMD Athlon (tm) Processor LE-1640, 2,7 Ghz
RAM: 2 GB
Video card: NVIDIA GeForce 7025 / NVIDIA nForce 630a (Microsoft Corporation - WDDM)

 

The biggest problem is the RAM or Video card?

 

FM17 works except 3D.

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4 hours ago, Jambo98 said:

Anybody got actual experience with the GeForce GTX 1050?  I am looking at a new laptop, it will likely be MSI and the model i am looking at comes with the 1050, but its passmark rating looks crazy low for some reason, below older cards like the 970 and miles below the 1060, despite in theory not a massive price difference between the cards. 

Problem is, i also cant seem to find anywhere which would customise an MSI laptop, and they dont seem to sell direct. 

Yes I have a GTX 1050 in my Dell XPS 15 (i7 7700HQ / 32 gb RAM). The 3D engine runs fine at 4K resolution with High settings.

The GTX 1050 is at the low end of Nvidia's current generation of cards - hence why it is much lower than the mid/high end cards like the 1060 onwards. But don't let that put you off because the 10xx generation cards are the first laptop cards to have near desktop quality performance.

If you want a 1060 or higher card then you'll find the laptops that have them are much bulkier because of the heat generated by them. There's the MaxQ versions which generate less heat (and fan noise) but keep in mind that these do not have as much power as the standard/non-MaxQ cards.

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2 minutes ago, Archibalduk said:

Yes I have a GTX 1050 in my Dell XPS 15 (i7 7700HQ / 32 gb RAM). The 3D engine runs fine at 4K resolution with High settings.

The GTX 1050 is at the low end of Nvidia's current generation of cards - hence why it is much lower than the mid/high end cards like the 1060 onwards. But don't let that put you off because the 10xx generation cards are the first laptop cards to have near desktop quality performance.

If you want a 1060 or higher card then you'll find the laptops that have them are much bulkier because of the heat generated by them. There's the MaxQ versions which generate less heat (and fan noise) but keep in mind that these do not have as much power as the standard/non-MaxQ cards.

Cheers, the laptop i have gone for "only" has 8gb RAM but that should be more than enough. The card looks decent and i value light / slender laptop which is why i am going for the Stealth model, to get the 1060 in that it whacks on another 500 quid or so the way the models are configured. 

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How's everyone getting on with their new machines? 

Do tell - plus any links you have to it - it may help others :D

 

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I have a £1500 budget and I really like loading lots of leagues and players, I want one that will load the most amount of players and also run at a decent pace. Can anyone make any recommendations ?

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12 hours ago, Smurf said:

How's everyone getting on with their new machines? 

Do tell - plus any links you have to it - it may help others :D

 

This morning I bought the one you recommended to me, FM is running so smoothly!! Thanks so much mate. :)

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/computers-tablets/laptops/hp/hp-power-pavilion-15-cb059tx-15-6-laptop-i7/452500/

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8 hours ago, DizzyNewHeights said:

I have a £1500 budget and I really like loading lots of leagues and players, I want one that will load the most amount of players and also run at a decent pace. Can anyone make any recommendations ?

Ok - so this is a 15 inch laptop from PC Specialist


Chassis & Display
Octane Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-7700k (4.2GHz) 8MB Cache

 
 

Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060 - 6.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1, G-SYNC
1st Hard Disk
240GB KINGSTON UV400 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (550MB/R, 490MB/W)
M.2 SSD Drive
128GB M.2 2280, SATA 6Gb/s (560MB/R, 467MB/W)
Thermal Paste
EK-TIM ECTOTHERM THERMAL COMPOUND


Price £1,555.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/octaneiii-15/Ap9cTrVJ9F/

 

You can tweak it further using the link

The processor is amazing. The graphics card is more than enough.

 

If you want to drop the RAM back to 8gb - feel free! 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Kingofmalta88 said:

Hi all, looking for a new laptop as my current one takes about 30 minutes to just load up.

 

I'll be mainly using it solely for FM and some net browsing. So I just want something fast and capable of downloading lots of custom content on FM like skins and transfer updates etc 

 

I don't mind paying about 1k but I'm a bit clueless on computers and would like some help as to what's good to buy. 

 

Cheaper the better obviously but upto 1k is good. I just want something super fast mainly.

 

Thanks.

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-14A112-090-MSI-GS40-6QE(Phantom)-090UK_1945621.html

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Can I play FM18 (with 3-5 leagues) on a Asus Zenbook UX330CA-Pure4? Has 8GB Ram, an Intel Core M3 7Y30 processor and 256GB SSD. I don't use the 3D view, just 2D.

Or do I need an Intel Core i5 or i7 processor? 

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The processor is well below the minimum specs for FM. 

You can always try the demo and see how you get on.

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My (old) current PC has a 2500k (stock, no OC) with 4gb RAM (DDR3-1333) and a GTX 560 Ti, would I get better performance in FM18 with a Ryzen 1200, 3GB GTX 1060 and 8GB DDR4-2400 RAM?

I know the graphics card would be a significant upgrade but I'm not really sure how much of an impact that would have on performance in FM.

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5 hours ago, Olow said:

Can I play FM18 (with 3-5 leagues) on a Asus Zenbook UX330CA-Pure4? Has 8GB Ram, an Intel Core M3 7Y30 processor and 256GB SSD. I don't use the 3D view, just 2D.

Or do I need an Intel Core i5 or i7 processor? 

I’m playing using an M5 processor and it was fine for FM 17

FM 18 is the biggest leap in terms of graphical demands of any new version. 

Was using medium graphics on FM17 now 18 on lowest settings gives me a tiny bit of lag.  As discussed elsewhere 2D or 3D makes no difference anymore as they both run from the 3D engine so try the demo

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2 hours ago, Houndd said:

My (old) current PC has a 2500k (stock, no OC) with 4gb RAM (DDR3-1333) and a GTX 560 Ti, would I get better performance in FM18 with a Ryzen 1200, 3GB GTX 1060 and 8GB DDR4-2400 RAM?

I know the graphics card would be a significant upgrade but I'm not really sure how much of an impact that would have on performance in FM.

I would upgrade the ram and graphics and maybe look into overclocking.  Also an SSD can give a general feel of a new PC plus you can always carry over the graphics card and SSD to a new build in future 

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8 hours ago, bennytee said:

I’m playing using an M5 processor and it was fine for FM 17

FM 18 is the biggest leap in terms of graphical demands of any new version. 

Was using medium graphics on FM17 now 18 on lowest settings gives me a tiny bit of lag.  As discussed elsewhere 2D or 3D makes no difference anymore as they both run from the 3D engine so try the demo

There's a big difference between M3 and M5 processors - and what's fine for you might not be fine for someone else.

Their processor is well below the threshold for FM - and therefore it's no good for FM.

8 hours ago, bennytee said:

I would upgrade the ram and graphics and maybe look into overclocking.  Also an SSD can give a general feel of a new PC plus you can always carry over the graphics card and SSD to a new build in future 

RAM - I agree. Might not be b possible for the graphics card - it's just not an option on some laptops. 

Overclocking - may not be possible, especially on M processors or U processors, as they are deliberatlely underclocked and overclocking isn't always available.

8 hours ago, bennytee said:

Good spot - thanks!

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Somehow my i3 is running the game. Probably a bit slow but its doing a more than decent job. Loaded about 46K players. 

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Any computer will run the game. If it falls below minimum specs then it won't run or won't run very well.  It's just how well it runs is a different story. Some people are happy with a 5 second progression, some wouldn't be happy with it. As Einstein said,  sit with a nice girl for two hours you think it’s only a minute, but when you sit on a hot stove for a minute you think it’s two hours - it's all relative. 

Anyway - what i3 processor model is it?

I never said they wouldn't run the game - and don't want to give that impression - however, i5 and i7 processors have turbo boost and hyperthreading which is better. 

My goal is always to find a laptop in the same price range for someone - only with better specs. 

Typcially from worst to best it's

Mprocessor
i3
i5
i7

Then the numbers aftwards denote the generation - so i3-2xxx would be 2nd generation - and i3-7xxx would be 7th generaiton - and simiarly with i5-7xxxx and i7xxxx

And just because it's a newer genaration doesn't make it automatically a better processor. Following the generation numbers you will find

U
HQ
HK
S (desktop)
T (desktop)
and a few others

Typically - stay away from U processors if you can. HQ is a next step up and delivers much better performance.

 

All of this is relevant for FM only. 

 

In terms of other games and other applications they would have much different needs. 

 

 

 

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Hi Smurf

 

last advice request. i've narrowed my choices down to two. dont think there is much difference in spec its more that i think the HP is nicer to look at

 

https://www.tesco.com/direct/acer-nitro-5-15-inch-windows-10-i5-gaming-laptop-nvidia-gtx-1050-8gb-ram-1tb-128gb-ssd-black/305-6115.prd?skuId=305-6115

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/7253180?rec=PDP[7452716]:bottomSlider:P1:OHAT:alternative:7253180:cv4lGy87eQDNUVbWU35o

am i better off saving the 170£ and going with the Acer

 

Thanks

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I have plans to buy new PC soon. Previous versions of FM was single-core friendly. What is situation with FM18. Is there better support for multi-core?

Thanks!

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16 minutes ago, Staf9 said:

Hi Smurf

 

last advice request. i've narrowed my choices down to two. dont think there is much difference in spec its more that i think the HP is nicer to look at

 

https://www.tesco.com/direct/acer-nitro-5-15-inch-windows-10-i5-gaming-laptop-nvidia-gtx-1050-8gb-ram-1tb-128gb-ssd-black/305-6115.prd?skuId=305-6115

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/7253180?rec=PDP[7452716]:bottomSlider:P1:OHAT:alternative:7253180:cv4lGy87eQDNUVbWU35o

am i better off saving the 170£ and going with the Acer

 

Thanks

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16J522-2001-MSI-GP62-7QF(Leopard-Pro)-2001UK_2263502.html

This is better than either choices.

If I was pushed on the 2  you choose - I'd go with the Tesco.

3 minutes ago, krlenjushka said:

I have plans to buy new PC soon. Previous versions of FM was single-core friendly. What is situation with FM18. Is there better support for multi-core?

Thanks!

See this post from 2011

https://community.sigames.com/topic/200939-hex-core-support/

On 1/24/2011 at 17:24, EdL said:

It will use any many cores as you have to play matches.

 

I only presume 8 years on it's gotten better.

 

I wouldn't know you could ask the technical forums.

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21 minutes ago, Smurf said:

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16J522-2001-MSI-GP62-7QF(Leopard-Pro)-2001UK_2263502.html

This is better than either choices.

If I was pushed on the 2  you choose - I'd go with the Tesco.

See this post from 2011

https://community.sigames.com/topic/200939-hex-core-support/

 

I only presume 8 years on it's gotten better.

 

I wouldn't know you could ask the technical forums.

On FM15,16 and 17 CPU speed was crucial when you load lot of leagues in game. Also when you go on holiday for simulation (i need that because i te lower leagues often) CPU speed was crucial also. I tested FM17 on G4560 (dual-core) and Ryzen 3 1300x (quad-core).  Test times was almost same. I dont play any other game and i dont use PC for some "hard" work so it seems Quad is enough (dual-core also maybe) for next 5 years. In that case i would go to faster single-core CPU (read Intel) over Ryzen.

 

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As I always say - get the best you can afford.

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2 hours ago, Smurf said:

There's a big difference between M3 and M5 processors - and what's fine for you might not be fine for someone else.

Their processor is well below the threshold for FM - and therefore it's no good for FM.

RAM - I agree. Might not be b possible for the graphics card - it's just not an option on some laptops. 

Overclocking - may not be possible, especially on M processors or U processors, as they are deliberatlely underclocked and overclocking isn't always available.

Good spot - thanks!

I was suggesting overclocking for the guy with the K desktop processor looking to go to Ryzen.  You’re correct in what you say about laptop overclocking though.  Ditto graphics card I was referring to the above desktop query.

you may be correct for M3 but it has good benchmarks relatively speaking 

Just to avoid misunderstanding I’m referring to the M3 and M5 chips released in the last couple of years predominantly used in Windows tablets 

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Ah I see - good points then :D

I didn't realise you were responding to the desktop query. Glad we cleared that up. The last thing this thread needs is over-confusion - as most people come here as they don't understand the needs in a computer, never mind overclocking or swapping parts etc.

I try to offer out of the box solutions - keeping theme with the needs of the consumers in this thread.

 

But you're right on all of your points - I completely agree with you.

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I'm currently buying a Macbook Pro. The difference between 13-15" is the graphics card. One has Intel Iris Plus Graphics 650, the other has Radeon Pro 560 with 4GB memory.

I know the Radeon will perform better, but does anyone know what the actual visible difference will be to me as a player? Will the Intel be laggy/low quality? 

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The Raedon Pro 560 is similar enough the nVidea 960m in terms of performance.

IT should be good.

Why a Mac though? You'd get a much better Windows based laptop for the same price (or cheaper).

 

Here's one I put together and it comes in at £779 cheaper - and much much higher spec


Chassis & Display
Octane Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-7700k (4.2GHz) 8MB Cache

Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2133MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1070 - 8.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1, G-SYNC
M.2 SSD Drive
512GB WD Black™ M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 2050MB/s R | 800MB/s W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)
Thermal Paste
EK-TIM ECTOTHERM THERMAL COMPOUND
USB Options
3 x USB 3.0 PORTS, 2 x USB 3.1 PORTS, 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Battery
Octane Series 8 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (82WH)
Keyboard Language
OCTANE SERIES BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD WITH NUMBER PAD
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc DVD & Single Licence


Price £1,920.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/octaneiii-15/xevSg!kZJ0/

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Thanks for the response. A mac because it's what I use for my non-FM projects (mostly sound editing, which obviously doesn't need great graphics). FM isn't the primary reason for buying a machine. 

 

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What sound editing software are you using? 

Bit of background, i'm a graphic designer, and I use Mac's everyday - and it's pretty damn slow to be honest, and it's relatively new. 

I'm not against Macs and I understand where software is a necessity then there's no choice.

I was just curious - as you can get an all inclusive 10 day trip to Mexico for the price of a Mac. 

Genuinely trying to save you some money - but if you need a Mac then knock yourself out :)

 

The processors in the Mac for the latest of 2017 are

15" Touch/Mid-2017 2  2.8GHz i7 (I7-7700HQ)

15" Touch/Mid-2017  2.9 GHz Core i7 (I7-7820HQ)

15" Touch/Mid-2017 3.1 GHz Core i7 (I7-7920HQ) 

All perfectly good. 

All overpriced in my opinion - but it is what it is.

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I couldn't stand over that one I'm afraid - and there's not much else in that price range that I'd be comfortable recommending.

 

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Honestly the best option is to increase your budget. £500 is a lot of money to part with, for something that you may or may not be happy with.

Whereas 600-700 would get you what you need - and a far better experience that wouldn't be a gamble.

 

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@Smurf - I bought a new laptop a few days ago and have only just read through your comments and got me a little worried with regards to the "u" processor!

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/medion-p7647-core-i7-7500u-8gb-2tb-256gb-ssd-geforce-gtx-950m-dvd-rw-17.3-30022546/version.asp?refsource=LDadwords&refsource=Ldadwords&gclid=CjwKCAiAoqXQBRA8EiwAIIOWsmyg_6GkXNzqL9hwgCj97I2S6UJ3dmztZLZATnpQZmBO0tOuYhQQQxoCmnQQAvD_BwE

Would you be able to have a look to see if it is any good for FM18?

Thanks

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Yeah i'm with ya, may as well spend that little bit extra. 

If you have time, a recommendation from Currys would be superb (I've got a voucher for about £160 i need to use). 

Nice one, appreciate the replies :thup:

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At the end of the day you've bought it now - and that's what you have - if you want to cancel it then that's up to you - or return it - you'd have to check with them.

U processors aren't bad at all for general computing - but for FM I just can't stand over them because they just are underpowered, and FM needs power.

If it has  U processor it will still run - how well it runs, leagues/divisions/database size and all that - plus how long of a career you have are all factors. 

Will it work - YES!

 

You definitely could get a better laptop for £750 though.

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9 minutes ago, bpmitchell93 said:

Yeah i'm with ya, may as well spend that little bit extra. 

If you have time, a recommendation from Currys would be superb (I've got a voucher for about £160 i need to use). 

Nice one, appreciate the replies :thup:

Not much luck on Currys

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/dell-inspiron-15-5000-15-6-gaming-laptop-black-10164852-pdt.html

I looked at them all - and this is the cheapest for what I would recommend for FM.

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Not quite sure how these work - it has 32gb storage - that would be enough. However, it says it uses cloud storage, and FM game sizes are quite large, meaning uploading a lot of content to the cloud. 

I wouldn't recommend either of them. The processors are basic. 

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