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Hi mate, i know MAC's aren't always ideal for gaming etc but it is something i want to purchase. the one i was looking it is The 27.5 inch Apple iMac with Retina 5K display - all-in-one - Core i5 3.4 GHz - 8 GB - 1 TB - LED 27" -    1 x Intel Core i5 (7th Gen) 3.4 GHz (3.8 GHz) (Quad-Core)    ,    8 GB (installed) / 32 GB (max) - DDR4 SDRAM     , 

1 x Hybrid Drive 1 TB - SATA    , 

AMD Radeon Pro 570. 

 

Has anyone got one of these that they run FM off of and how does it perform ? Or if not do you think from what you see spec wise it would run FM fine with no issues ? Cheers 

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Why do you want to purchase a Mac? Have you got specific software that needs to run on the Mac? I completely understand if you do. But, if you don't, then buying a Mac is colossal waste of money. You can buy a much better Windows PC for much cheaper.

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It's the wife that is wanting one really but i am purchasing it for her. She has been recommended by her work to get one and she can work more at home. So  i was thinking of using this for FM too, i am not very tech savvy so was having a look on the apple store last night and was trying to compare the machines specs and FM requirements and thought that seemed like the best fit. What do you think ? 

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Well, if it's work related and work are buying it... 

I'd be selecting the following options

27-inch iMac with Retina 5K display Item Price:£2,789.00    

4.2GHz quad-core 7th-generation Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.5GHz
16GB 2400MHz DDR4
512GB SSD
Radeon Pro 580 with 8GB video memory
 

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what's your thoughts about the one i mentioned initially, just as that one was slightly cheaper ?

do you have any recommendations on pc's if i can go back to her and try and convince her on that ?

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i havent yet done the benchmark test for the MSI that I bought - I did do the benchmark on my previous laptop and its 2nd bottom on the benchmark thread, 

if people want to I can run the benchmark on the MSI that keeps being linked later tonight??

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2 hours ago, darren1589 said:

what's your thoughts about the one i mentioned initially, just as that one was slightly cheaper ?

do you have any recommendations on pc's if i can go back to her and try and convince her on that ?

If the company want her to have a Mac then that's what is going to be gotten. I'm sure there's a reason for it.

Going back to your original post

The 27.5 inch Apple iMac with Retina 5K display - all-in-one - Core i5 3.4 GHz - 8 GB - 1 TB - LED 27" -    1 x Intel Core i5 (7th Gen) 3.4 GHz (3.8 GHz) (Quad-Core)    ,    8 GB (installed) / 32 GB (max) - DDR4 SDRAM     , 

1 x Hybrid Drive 1 TB - SATA    , 

AMD Radeon Pro 570. 

 

It would be fine

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http://www.very.co.uk/acer-aspire-5-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-hard-drive-amp-128gb-ssd-156-inch-full-hd-laptop-blackgrey-with-geforce-mx150-graphics-and-optional-microsoft-office-365-home/1600202163.prd

 

hows this looking? I know smurf has said a u processer is never the best but would I Ben ok a sister it's i7? Also how good/bad is this graphics card? My budgets about £650 I normally run 3 leagues max 

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Just wondering if it's worth upgrading my laptop from 8gb to 16gb before FM18?  Will it make much difference to how quickly it will run?  Current setup is

MSI GE60
Intel Core i7-4700MQ CPU @ 2.40GHz
2gb Nvidia Geforce GTX 765M
RAM - 8gb DDR3 (max 16gb)
128gb SSD + 750gb HDD

Got it basically bang on 3 years ago so know it's getting on a bit but don't plan on getting a new laptop until this time next year.  Will upgrading to 16gb make much of a difference to how FM runs on a large/XL database (120k+ players) or would it be limited by processor etc to the point it would not really be worthwhile?

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10 hours ago, karlcole said:

http://www.very.co.uk/acer-aspire-5-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-hard-drive-amp-128gb-ssd-156-inch-full-hd-laptop-blackgrey-with-geforce-mx150-graphics-and-optional-microsoft-office-365-home/1600202163.prd

 

hows this looking? I know smurf has said a u processer is never the best but would I Ben ok a sister it's i7? Also how good/bad is this graphics card? My budgets about £650 I normally run 3 leagues max 

I wouldn't be interested in that one.

This is still best for about 600 - https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16J562-1673-MSI-GL62-7QF-1673UK_2066567.html

Relatively small hard drive, so be worth upgrading the drive at a later date - or getting external storage.

If you wanted to get extra storage then this would be the one https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16J562-1673-MSI-GL62-7QF-1673UK_2080715.html

Same laptop - more storage.

 

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Thanks mate any reason you wouldn’t go for the one I linked up? And why you would suggest going with i5 over i7?

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4 hours ago, Smurf said:

I wouldn't be interested in that one.

This is still best for about 600 - https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16J562-1673-MSI-GL62-7QF-1673UK_2066567.html

Relatively small hard drive, so be worth upgrading the drive at a later date - or getting external storage.

If you wanted to get extra storage then this would be the one https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16J562-1673-MSI-GL62-7QF-1673UK_2080715.html

Same laptop - more storage.

 

For the one here, which is the one I bought (with the extra storage) I ran the benchmark test from the benchmark thread and ended up with benchmark A 4m.56s and benchmark B 9m.57s.

 

 

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No idea what that means. But thanks for posting it - can you elaborate?

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explains it better in the thread than I could, but essentially 2 different saved games with various details/leagues etc

you can then time how long it takes to holiday for a week.  It gives an idea of how fast different CPUs etc compared to each other. 

so in the tests I ran - benchmark A time was 4 min 56 seconds to run and B was 9 minutes 57 secs.

 

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Thanks for your response mate I linked the wrong one I meant to link this 

 

http://www.very.co.uk/acer-aspire-5-intel-core-i7-8gb-ram-2tb-hard-drive-156-inch-full-hd-laptop-blackgrey-with-optional-microsoft-office-365-home/1600202179.prd

 

How owe would it compare to 

 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16J562-1673-MSI-GL62-7QF-1673UK_2066567.html

 

thabks again mate really appreciate your input

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Looking for a cheap computer for around the 400/500 mark. Need it to do office work while at university and play football manager and cs go. Any ideas on the best value for money?

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38 minutes ago, karlcole said:

Thanks for your response mate I linked the wrong one I meant to link this 

 

http://www.very.co.uk/acer-aspire-5-intel-core-i7-8gb-ram-2tb-hard-drive-156-inch-full-hd-laptop-blackgrey-with-optional-microsoft-office-365-home/1600202179.prd

 

How owe would it compare to 

 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16J562-1673-MSI-GL62-7QF-1673UK_2066567.html

 

thabks again mate really appreciate your input

This is better 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/80RU00EGUK-Lenovo-Ideapad-700_2207197.html

 

31 minutes ago, Liamcurtis said:

Looking for a cheap computer for around the 400/500 mark. Need it to do office work while at university and play football manager and cs go. Any ideas on the best value for money?

This - but only barely

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/2EW12ESABU-HP 250 G5_2233244.html

 

It's not great - I reckon with £100 you could do so much better.

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17 minutes ago, Smurf said:

This is better 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/80RU00EGUK-Lenovo-Ideapad-700_2207197.html

 

This - but only barely

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/2EW12ESABU-HP 250 G5_2233244.html

 

It's not great - I reckon with £100 you could do so much better.

What would be the next step up? What would you recommend with 50-100 extra? On a bit of a budget. Cheers for the help!

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Does anybody know how this will run?

 

http://www.very.co.uk/acer-aspire-5-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-hard-drive-amp-128gb-ssd-156-inch-full-hd-laptop-blackgrey-with-geforce-mx150-graphics-and-optional-microsoft-office-365-home/1600202163.prd?_requestid=57212&Ntt=lv9la

 

i can pick it up for £580 looking to play a few leagues and try 3D for once this year 

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Also I have my eye on the Lenovo linked above by smurf it has a i7 over the i5 but doesn’t have a ssd like the i5 will this make much of a difference?

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9 minutes ago, karlcole said:

Also I have my eye on the Lenovo linked above by smurf it has a i7 over the i5 but doesn’t have a ssd like the i5 will this make much of a difference?

By other reports on here an SSD won't have massive effect on FM.

However, it would be an easy and cheap thing to upgrade in the future should FM somehow take advantage of the technology.

As far as I know, it doesn't really, takes just as long to load/save games. 

However, and SSD you would see significant improvements in your computers overall speed in booting up, shutting down, restarting, loading and saving files, opening and closing apps etc.

 

 

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On 10/12/2017 at 08:51, Smurf said:

Do you have a screen - as if you buy a desktop you will need to have a separate screen - which if you've got 1200 could eat that budget slightly.

Yeah I've got a screen for it :) 

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1 hour ago, champ 01/02 said:

Yeah I've got a screen for it :) 


Price £1,123.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations//hTpUDnjBh8/

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-7700k (4.2GHz) 8MB Cache
Memory (RAM)
8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2133MHz (2 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
3GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP
M.2 SSD Drive
512GB WD Black™ M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 2050MB/s R | 800MB/s W)
Processor Cooling
Super Quiet Titan DragonFly Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
EK-TIM ECTOTHERM THERMAL COMPOUND
 

Not a bad start - you can tweak the casing, and cooling options yourself. But something along those lines.

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Thanks for all your help think I’m going to get the i7 Lenovo you linked he other day sure it will be fine for 3 leagues and to play in 3D 👍🏻

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On 10/15/2017 at 11:57, karlcole said:

Thanks for all your help think I’m going to get the i7 Lenovo you linked he other day sure it will be fine for 3 leagues and to play in 3D 👍🏻

You'll have no problem

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On 10/14/2017 at 15:14, Smurf said:


Price £1,123.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations//hTpUDnjBh8/

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-7700k (4.2GHz) 8MB Cache
Memory (RAM)
8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2133MHz (2 x 4GB)
Graphics Card
3GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP
M.2 SSD Drive
512GB WD Black™ M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 2050MB/s R | 800MB/s W)
Processor Cooling
Super Quiet Titan DragonFly Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
EK-TIM ECTOTHERM THERMAL COMPOUND
 

Not a bad start - you can tweak the casing, and cooling options yourself. But something along those lines.

Thanks :) would this be able to handle fm and more graphic based titles such as cod? :) 

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Hello,

I am looking for a new laptop to play football manager on and need some advice on what to buy.

I have read what has been written and it seems that the processor and the graphics card are most important (sorry If I am wrong!). I would like to play 3d matches and have the game run quickly with a large database and about 13 leagues.

My budget can go up to £900 (£1000 if the laptop is top notch) if that helps.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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12 hours ago, karlcole said:

One of those links goes to a login page

 

11 hours ago, Alfie103 said:

Hello,

I am looking for a new laptop to play football manager on and need some advice on what to buy.

I have read what has been written and it seems that the processor and the graphics card are most important (sorry If I am wrong!). I would like to play 3d matches and have the game run quickly with a large database and about 13 leagues.

My budget can go up to £900 (£1000 if the laptop is top notch) if that helps.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/ZX553VD-DM970T-ASUS-Gaming-ZX553VD-DM970T_2145528.html

 

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3 hours ago, Smurf said:

Thanks for that Smurf. I was thinking about getting a custom built one with the highest specs I can get as a work colleague advised the processor and graphics card can be very hard to upgrade in a laptop. Do you think that is a good idea?

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I don't think for £1000 you'll get better than the i7-7700HQ processor. 

 

Something along the lines of this would be better than anything - and even if I scaled it back slightly it wouldn't make much difference price wise.

Price £1,534.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/octaneiii-15/taB4bs2vet/

 

Scaled back version - i5 processor - same class

Price £1,440.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/octaneiii-15/YFK!YfDu7k/

 

Scaling back again

Price £1,381.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/octaneiii-15/CgWGXubv9K/

 

But if you're going to spend that kind of money wouldn't you just get the better configuration?

 

 

I even went on to Dell and the price for an i7700HQ is scandalous 

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This is one of the better ones on SaveonLaptops

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/30022549-Medion-Erazer-X7853_2096353.html

 

However, for that price - I'd go to the first link for the PC Specialist as above.

 

 

Here's another one I optimised on ChillBlast

Again - it's the i7-7700HQ - which comes in cheaper than the one I posted earlier. 

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Bottom line here - go for the first one I linked for you.

Or go for the 1st in the PC Specialist linked first in this post.

 

 

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Forgot my old password and email so had to make a new account on here 🙄

Anyway my trusty old Samsung laptop from early 2013 is now on it's last legs, so I've decided to treat myself to a new laptop for FM18. I want to run at least 15 leagues on a really fast speed with a large database. My old Samsung was fine for running plenty of leagues but I never felt like it was running quite fast enough. With that in mind I'm looking to splash out on something really high end that will hopefully last as long as my old one.

Any opinions on the following set up? Gone for the fastest processor available on a laptop I could find, the i7 7700k 4.2ghz.

It's quite pricey at £1700 but that's with a full 2 year parts and labour guarantee and fast track build too. Not too bothered about price as I need a new laptop anyway.

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If not worried about price then why a 15 inch screen?

 

All looks good though - no bother with that at all.

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3 minutes ago, Smurf said:

If not worried about price then why a 15 inch screen?

 

All looks good though - no bother with that at all.

Main reason I've gone for a smaller screen is because I travel a lot with work. Just wanted something marginally more portable. Do you think this will absolutely zoom through processing between days with about 10-15 leagues? That's the main thing I want.

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I want to buy a new laptop and I need some help. As I know next to nothing about computers I would really appreciate some help. I have a Macbook Air atm, that is a few years old, but it gets hot and makes a lot of noise when I've played FM for a while. As I only use my laptop for FM and general Internet/email/work. That means I dont need a dedicated gamer laptop (I guess). I can see that most of you recommend those MSI's that looks  pretty much like a spaceship. Do I really need that kind of laptop to run FM in an optimal way? I played FM 17 at the lowest graphic settings and its still slow and noisy. Will a laptop like the Asus Ultrabook, for example:

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/UX330UA-FB100T-ASUS-Zenbook-UX330UA-FB100T_2063859.html

be enough to run FM? As fas as i can see from the specs 8gb ram, SSD haddrive and a decent graphic card should be good enough for this purpose? Or do any of you recommend some other slim/light laptops with around 13" screen that will be good enough to run some future FM versions with a large database and a various of the top leagues in Europe active. Given that I dont do anything else that require a lot of the computer I want to buy one that run FM in a as good way as possible. Thanks a lot for all the advises!

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2 hours ago, Reflection86 said:

Main reason I've gone for a smaller screen is because I travel a lot with work. Just wanted something marginally more portable. Do you think this will absolutely zoom through processing between days with about 10-15 leagues? That's the main thing I want.

Like a hot knife through butter.

1 hour ago, Woho said:

I want to buy a new laptop and I need some help. As I know next to nothing about computers I would really appreciate some help. I have a Macbook Air atm, that is a few years old, but it gets hot and makes a lot of noise when I've played FM for a while. As I only use my laptop for FM and general Internet/email/work. That means I dont need a dedicated gamer laptop (I guess). I can see that most of you recommend those MSI's that looks  pretty much like a spaceship. Do I really need that kind of laptop to run FM in an optimal way? I played FM 17 at the lowest graphic settings and its still slow and noisy. Will a laptop like the Asus Ultrabook, for example:

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/UX330UA-FB100T-ASUS-Zenbook-UX330UA-FB100T_2063859.html

be enough to run FM? As fas as i can see from the specs 8gb ram, SSD haddrive and a decent graphic card should be good enough for this purpose? Or do any of you recommend some other slim/light laptops with around 13" screen that will be good enough to run some future FM versions with a large database and a various of the top leagues in Europe active. Given that I dont do anything else that require a lot of the computer I want to buy one that run FM in a as good way as possible. Thanks a lot for all the advises!

Ok - firstly Macs heat sink will dissipate the heat through the case (so to speak) that's why it can get hot - Football Manager is very intensive, which means the heat sink is getting hotter and hotter, and the case gets hotter and  hotter, the fan starts to work overtime and that's what causes the noise - the fan. 

Yes - a lot of the laptops do look like spaceships, I guess that's an internal design decision from the engineers - make it MORE masculin, nothing girly looking, or cutesy - you'll sell more. You'll see that in your local Tesco, they will seel "loufes" for men - called Shower Tools, because it's more masculine - or moisturising cream is marketed as being "Ultra Hydrating Cream" - because it will get more sales, truth is, it's the same moisturising cream as in other moisturiers marketed at girls and/or women.

 

Ok - so the laptop you point to - it's designed for portabality and for being on the go. It's very difficult to find a powerful laptop that's 13 inch, designed for portability, that's good for FM.

 

FM first and foremost needs a kickass processor, that's what drives the game. That's why your Mac is underperforming - because it probably has the same processor as you linked to in your Saveon Laptops - meaning  you will have the same issues you're facing now. 

As it's designed to be portable, battery has to last long long hours, that's why 13 inch laptops come with "u" processors - like the one you linked to, and the one in your MacBook.

 

Here's a link to 2 very good computers that are 14 inch 

It's only got a 3-4 hour battery life (and a lot less off the main power with football manager running)

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-14A112-090-MSI-GS40-6QE(Phantom)-090UK_1945621.html

 

And another great 14 inch

Has 8-9 hours of battery (probably a lot less for FM). 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/AERO14K-V7-CF1-GIGABYTE-AERO-14K-V7-CF1_2185435.html

 

Bottom line is that you can get an ok  13/14 inch laptop for a standard price (around £800) 

But you will sacrafice power in the processor. 

If you want power in the processor then you are going to pay more.

And if you want a longer battery life you will pay more again. 

 

And if you go up to 15 inch - you can probably get a very decent laptop, that plays FM very well, and costs the same as the 13 inch that doesnt'. 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/NX.G66EK.004-Acer-Aspire-V15-in-Black_2095447.html

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/NH.G7REK.004-Acer-Aspire-V-Nitro-VN7-592G_2003921.html

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/1AN98EAABU-HP-OMEN-15-ax202na_2062758.html

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/NH.Q0SEK.002-Acer-Predator-15-G9-592_2175394.html

 

The bad news is - to get a good processor for FM - and Lightweight and Long battery - you'll pay a lot lot more.

 

You really need to find a balance of what you're happy with

  1. Processor - what can you live with - can you live with only 3 leagues loaded - 5 or 10 - or what's your priority. How many leagues are you willing to run? 
  2. Lightweight - what weigh are you happy to carry about all day
  3. Screen size - what size are you willing to go up to
  4. Graphics - do you really want to watch 3d matches in highest detail - or lowest setting do? 
  5. RAM - you will always need 8gb or more. 

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Thank you so much for the detailed answer! It's that masculine image that I don't need, or want. I just want a regular computer that runs FM smoothly, but it seems to be more difficult than I thought.

 

Regarding processors: They always have theese fancy names, but it seems like those you linked are i5 or i7 Quad Core that can turbo boost up to 3,7-3,8GHz. Generally speaking, will a laptop with about 8gb ram and one of those processors do the job? Graphics isnt that imporant to me as my main focus is the "progress to time ratio". I can live with low graphic settings if it runs fast and smooth. Thanks again.

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Just be aware that processors ending in "u" are ultra low voltage, designed to run slowest (underclocked) to preserve battery life for the laptop when not plugged in. That's why I don't recommend them for FM. As FM is all about processing power. 

Any processor with H or HQ, T, K, etc after the i5 or i7 is perfectly fine - as long as the base speed is 2.2ghz or higher. 

What they turbo boost to will depend on the heat being processed by the laptop. The hotter it's running the less likely it will go to the faster speeds. 

What exactly is your budget? 

 

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For now, I've just looked at options and those you linked me are very much within the budget. But I will be interested if I get a lot more computer for a small increase in price as well. I'm more about what I will get for which price if you understand me. And I'm not from GB, that means that I'll not get a pound for a pound. Some brands and models are differently priced here so its hard to set a spesific price limit.

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11 hours ago, Woho said:

For now, I've just looked at options and those you linked me are very much within the budget. But I will be interested if I get a lot more computer for a small increase in price as well. I'm more about what I will get for which price if you understand me. And I'm not from GB, that means that I'll not get a pound for a pound. Some brands and models are differently priced here so its hard to set a spesific price limit.

I guess take a look at PC Specialist and see what you can come up with. 

Minimum 2.2ghz processor (not a U processor)

8gb RAM

Decent graphics card

 

8 minutes ago, tugboat said:

The Asus

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I've refurbished my old pc ready for 2018, unfortunately i am stuck with windows 7. Do i need windows 10, yes or no.

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/624090/Football_Manager_2018/

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

Windows
Mac OS X
SteamOS + Linux
 
  • MINIMUM:
    • OS: Windows Vista (SP2), 7 (SP1), 8/8.1, 10 (1703/Creators Update) - 64-bit or 32-bit
    • Processor: Intel Pentium 4, Intel Core or AMD Athlon – 2.2 GHz +
    • Memory: 2 GB RAM
    • Graphics: Intel GMA X4500, NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT or AMD/ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 – 256MB VRAM
    • DirectX: Version 9.0c
    • Storage: 7 GB available space

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