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This is the only 4231 I've seen up so far, been tinkering with mine myself.  Is it better to play a 4231 with instructions to play wider? I ask my team to play narrow to keep possession and we've won most of our games but sometimes my offense is toothless and we win by a set piece goal or a hash up.

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At the moment the tactics are based on last year, so I would set it up like last year and then experiment width the new attacking /defensive width but there will always be the transition between widths.

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13 minutes ago, vdmsmrcv said:

So it's 97 points in total as I understand?

102.6 points (54/20)*38

95 goals (50/20)*38

19 goals conceeded (10/20)*38

 

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3 minutes ago, knap said:

97PT tactic - saved the tactic but not game - it was late.

Ah, that's what you meant. :)

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Been rolling with this in my beta save for 6 games and won 5 out of 6 with vitesse arnhem.

Best one was 4-0 against zenit at home, no familiarity so i'm looking forward to the rest of the season. 

Will post pictures later.

Knap as always thumbs up and great work keep at it........please.

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13 minutes ago, knap said:

Is this the Lpool tactic?

no,this is pass & move style

Lpool tactic still in study.
AI alway bus parking against me

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Has this been tested on full release? Having good results with Pilgrimage but wouldn't mind switching to 4-2-3-1 :D.

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I'm going to give this a go. I've tried tff, pilgrimage and volante with West Ham but can't get my forwards scoring so hopefully this will be the one.

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Hey Knap, have you tried Advanced Playmakers in the Wide Positions, they seem to work quite well there at the moment. I'm also finding asymmetrical formations working very well.

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Ideally I would have the following tactic strategy

Get a goal

Home tactic

Away tactic

Plan B 

Plan C

SUS

4231 may be a little too open for Away games, so I would perhaps use MIDSOMER for Away games and Volante for difficult games

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Just change them over together with the MCs and WBs, keeping PIs so you keep same structure.

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9 minutes ago, knap said:

Check our wingers do not have PPM to cut in from right.

Not related to the tactic but do you know what happens when a winger on the right has "cuts inside from left wing" or vice versa?

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11 minutes ago, knap said:

Mata is like that.

Does it mean that they will move over to the left wing to then cut inside or will they stay out on the right?

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In theory he will cut in from right but using left foot - I use 2D so no chance of seeing which foot.

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First year with valencia no transfers win the league and lost to championa league finalvwith pilgrimage 451.. second year (many transfers) i build roster for 4231.. should i choose beowulf or darkside?

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BEOWULF 4231 is higher scoring, DARK SIDE more defensive.

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DARK SIDE 19.2 is working wonders with my Wolves save. Defensive is very good, but also scoring a lot of goals. I will post later SS of some games with this tactic.

 

Knap, could you make some possession with good defence tactic in the near future?

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DARKSIDE 4411. Next game beat Everton 1-2 away, with 10 men from 8th min!

Might be surprising to some, but I actually removed DLP when down to 10 men, playing with same att. mentality.

Last 5 minutes I went SUS + dropping AM to DLP.

And look at those chances even with 10 men.

Everton v Oxford City_ Match Review.png

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Any should work with MU. Stargazing is set up for hit early crosses and P107 did not have many bad games.

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FM  19.2 From Top dog to Under dog


ARGUS Press 352                             P98
TIME343 Press                                 P100

BEOWULF Press 4231                    P104
BEOWULF Press 424                      P106

BEOWULF 424 IF  Press                 P105
BEOWULF 442w                              P105

STARGAZING Press                        P107

DARK SIDE 4231                             P102

DARK SIDE 4411                            P103

DARK SIDE 451 Positive               P101

MU 07/08 442                               P103
BLUE MATTER Press 433             P104
BLUE   MATTER Press 4312        p102 all cups

WOF 343 Press                            P103
MIDSOMER Press 442                P104
BEOWULF Press 451                   P100 ALL CUPS
MIDSOMER Press  4411             P105 ALL CUPS

BEOWULF Press 4231 DM         P107

BEOWULF 442 F9                        P109

TIME  424      Press                      P107

TIME 3421 Press                          P103

TIME 4231             Press             P103

TIME 4231 Press DLPD              P101

TIME 343 IF                                          P105 ALL CUPS

TIME 451                                              P103

TIME 442                                             P101

TIME 4411                                          P108

 VOLANTE   4222 P99

VOLANTE MEZ Press                 P103

VOLANTE BBM Press                P100


PILGRIMAGE Flat 451                P105

PILGRIMAGE 451                         P105
VOLANTE Anchor  424                P105
PILGRIMAGE VOLANTE 3403      P99

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I'm using DARKSIDE4411KnapP103 with great success so far, Striker is scoring for fun currently, But the STARGAZINGKnap 4231P107 interests me (for the next season) I like having a left footer on the right and vice versa and it works well with the 4411, they're scoring a decent amount. I think they will more be more successful in a 4231 though

decisions...decisions....

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vor 19 Stunden schrieb knap:

FM  19.2 From Top dog to Under dog


ARGUS Press 352                             P98
TIME343 Press                                 P100

BEOWULF Press 4231                    P104
BEOWULF Press 424                      P106

BEOWULF 424 IF  Press                 P105
BEOWULF 442w                              P105

STARGAZING Press                        P107

DARK SIDE 4231                             P102

DARK SIDE 4411                            P103

DARK SIDE 451 Positive               P101

MU 07/08 442                               P103
BLUE MATTER Press 433             P104
BLUE   MATTER Press 4312        p102 all cups

WOF 343 Press                            P103
MIDSOMER Press 442                P104
BEOWULF Press 451                   P100 ALL CUPS
MIDSOMER Press  4411             P105 ALL CUPS

BEOWULF Press 4231 DM         P107

BEOWULF 442 F9                        P109

TIME  424      Press                      P107

TIME 3421 Press                          P103

TIME 4231             Press             P103

TIME 4231 Press DLPD              P101

TIME 343 IF                                          P105 ALL CUPS

TIME 451                                              P103

TIME 442                                             P101

TIME 4411                                          P108

 VOLANTE   4222 P99

VOLANTE MEZ Press                 P103

VOLANTE BBM Press                P100


PILGRIMAGE Flat 451                P105

PILGRIMAGE 451                         P105
VOLANTE Anchor  424                P105
PILGRIMAGE VOLANTE 3403      P99

Maybe a stupid question but why do you think Argus press 352 is the best tactic for top teams although u were more successfull (more points) with other tactics (with top teams like Liverpool)?

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