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A few test results puts the order as follows

WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112)      P106

SYMPATHY 4222

TEQUILA SUNRISE

FM 20.1 WULF 4141

BEOWULF 442 P107

SICILIAN 4222 P101

SYMPATHY 442                                             

SYMPATHY 4222       VOL 2

NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2                                   

SICILIAN  4222 P98                                

ARGUS 352            

SM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221       OXFORD                             

BLUE MATTER 433 DM   451                         

BLUE MATTER 433                                    

4231                                                           

WULF 424 

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1 hour ago, knap said:

SYMPATHY 4222

Just to clearify, since the FM BASE test page has cut the name of the tactics in half so there is no way you can tell which version is listed first:

Is this the knapzaip one?

Is it updated for 20.2, or is it the 20.1 one that just still works and needs no update?


If its the "old" one maybe should be tested with the tweak i sent you last week?
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The tactics are uploaded for me on FM Base, so I can only go by table information.

There has also been a delay in testing and results to automate the system.

As far as I know the order is Original then Vol 2 the 442.

The tweaked version has not been tested but can now be added to tactics to test, which I've been sorting out today. However, it does rely on people with work commitments so may be a few days yet.

Also MR L testing should be on line soon but again will be a backlog.

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14 hours ago, knap said:

A few test results puts the order as follows

WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112)      P106

SYMPATHY 4222

TEQUILA SUNRISE

FM 20.1 WULF 4141

BEOWULF 442 P107

SICILIAN 4222 P101

SYMPATHY 442                                             

SYMPATHY 4222       VOL 2

NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2                                   

SICILIAN  4222 P98                                

ARGUS 352            

SM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221       OXFORD                             

BLUE MATTER 433 DM   451                         

BLUE MATTER 433                                    

4231                                                           

WULF 424 

@knap Is this  list intended to be the suggested best for 20.2? Thanks :)

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So I've just finished my 3rd season with Milan:

3 x Seria A Champions

2 x Champions League Champions

Tactic: tweakd @knap 4-1-4-1 cuz it's my favorite system to play. It's balanced both in defence and in attack and It's fun to watch. Also I mixed it with @knap 4-4-2 BEOWULF 107AllCups in some matches.

Most games I've played my self exept for some low rating matches.

For those how like to test it, I upload it under this post.

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SeriaA.png

End season.png

Milan kanp 4141 v2 NEW !!.fmf

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1 hour ago, themario said:

So I've just finished my 3rd season with Milan:

3 x Seria A Champions

2 x Champions League Champions

Tactic: tweakd @knap 4-1-4-1 cuz it's my favorite system to play. It's balanced both in defence and in attack and It's fun to watch. Also I mixed it with @knap 4-4-2 BEOWULF 107AllCups in some matches.

Most games I've played my self exept for some low rating matches.

For those how like to test it, I upload it under this post.

Squad1.png

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Tactic.png

SeriaA.png

End season.png

Milan kanp 4141 v2 NEW !!.fmf 45.03 kB · 43 downloads

will try it out and will post her if it works out for me! Great accomplishment dude

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I've made some tweaks to Beowulf107allcups and the results have been great.

Cardiff City, Amateur experience.

Conceded 4 goals in 10 games, realistic results such as 1-0, 2-0 etc and the team are still developing relationships - they hate me!

Throw ins and freekicks are default. My own corner routine added (not an exploit but going ok) 

Be interested in feedback. 

Some changes if I can remember were.....

Dropped DLP to DM DLP  def, be more expressive, dropped LOE and 

All cred to Knap of course.

 

 

 

Bluebirds.fmf

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1 hour ago, maxmaster5000 said:

will try it out and will post her if it works out for me! Great accomplishment dude

insane results so far, 10games played 10 wins, destroyed Leipzig and Bayern at home (im predicted third behind the two) and won away vs Gladbach and Dortmund. Always a lot of goals and not many conceded genius tweak of good tactic props mate @themario

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It beats me how we cant get a decent, consistent 4231 system going, but every time I play against a team using it I get hammered. I'm Spurs, using BEOWULF 442 107p home and SICILIAN 4222dm away but a 4231 always seems to tear me apart.

So frustrating as I want to use a 4231 myself. 

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4 hours ago, themario said:

So I've just finished my 3rd season with Milan:

3 x Seria A Champions

2 x Champions League Champions

Tactic: tweakd @knap 4-1-4-1 cuz it's my favorite system to play. It's balanced both in defence and in attack and It's fun to watch. Also I mixed it with @knap 4-4-2 BEOWULF 107AllCups in some matches.

Most games I've played my self exept for some low rating matches.

For those how like to test it, I upload it under this post.

Squad1.png

Squad2.png

Tactic.png

SeriaA.png

End season.png

Milan kanp 4141 v2 NEW !!.fmf 45.03 kB · 107 downloads

This has to be the best tactic this patch I have now won 25 games out of 26 and only drew once cause an early red card, beating teams like Bayern, Leipzig and real really impressive stuff and I concede so few goals its amazing

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I conducted a 5 season deep tactical analysis of Knaps Sympathy for the Devil tactic. The test was conducted under strict conditions of 5 seasons in the English prem where every club had a balanced squad of identical players. No transfer movements for the 5 seasons and squad kept relatively happy throughout. Here are the results. 190 games in total tested with an average of all 5 seasons given as well. 

KnapsSympathyfortheDevilTestScores-1.png

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On 11/12/2019 at 18:25, tom19720930 said:

First game with this tweak :D ,I know it's friendly and against amateur team but I think it's my highest win in FM last years even in friendlies :)

 

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I think this is the best tactic i see...i`m start to play with this tactic..  with bournemounth 31/01/2021

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6 hours ago, themario said:

So I've just finished my 3rd season with Milan:

3 x Seria A Champions

2 x Champions League Champions

Tactic: tweakd @knap 4-1-4-1 cuz it's my favorite system to play. It's balanced both in defence and in attack and It's fun to watch. Also I mixed it with @knap 4-4-2 BEOWULF 107AllCups in some matches.

Most games I've played my self exept for some low rating matches.

For those how like to test it, I upload it under this post.

Squad1.png

Squad2.png

Tactic.png

SeriaA.png

End season.png

Milan kanp 4141 v2 NEW !!.fmf 45.03 kB · 164 downloads

Any AI istructions?

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FM 20.2 Tactics

NEW TACTICS

FM20.2 SICILIAN P101

FM20.2SICILIAN442DLKnapP101ALLCUPS.fmf

OXFORD 41221

FM20.2PILGRIMAGEKnapIWB41221OXFORDMUP86PL.fmf

BEOWULF 442 P107

FM20.2BEOWULF442WAFKnapP107ALLCUPS.fmf44.84 kB · 1,276 downloads

WULF 4132 P106

FM20.2WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSFM20.2P106ECCC.fmf45.23 kB · 879 downloads

 

NORTHERN SOUL 532 P101

FM20.2NorthernSoulMRHKnap5-3-2P101CC.fmf45.36 kB · 872 downloads

FM 20.1 Tactics RECOMMENDED LIST

WULF

4132 WULF P102 (Top Sub top underdog)

FM20WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSFM20P102ECCC.fmf45.22 kB · 522 downl

4132 WULF ALL CUPS P102  (Top Sub top underdog)

FM20WULF4132PFDMIWBAPDLPKnapP102ALLCUPS.fmf45.19 kB · 406 downloadsoads

4141 P103 (top sub top underdog)

FM20.1WULF4141SPKnapP106ECCCKINGP107_SOLOUNAMIGOP104KINGP104FM20P99ECFAATTACKP103.fmf45.19 kB · 742 downloads

442 P102

FM20WULF442PFPWMKnapP110ECCCFM20P102ECCC.fmf44.85 kB · 553 downloads

4132 TEQUILA SUNRISE TH 93 Sub Top

FM20Tequilasunrise442.knaplassTHP93EC.fmf44.98 kB · 152 downloads

442 DM SICILIAN DEFENCE P98

FM20SICILIAN442PFDMIWBSPKnapP98ALLCUPS.fmf45.09 kB · 252 downloads

ARGUS 352 P103 EC CC

FM204ARGUSknap352P103ECCC.fmf43.17 kB · 263 downloads

BLUE MATTER 433 DM P98 (Top)

FM20BLUEMATTER433DMKnapP108ECCC451IWFM20P102P98.fmf43.7 kB · 59 downloads

BLUE MATTER 433 P105 (Top)

FM20BLUEMATTER433KnapP105FACC.fmf43.28 kB · 372 downloads

SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL

442 Sympathy for the Devil P103 (Top Sub top underdog) 

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipvol2442P103ECCC.fmf45.01 kB · 39 downloads

442 (4222) Sympathy for the Devil (Top sub top underdog)

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig.fmf44.

442 Vol (4222) Sympathy for the Devil Vol 2 (Top Sub Top )

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzigvol2.fmf44.91 kB · 957 downloads

442 (4222) Sympathy for the Devil (Top sub top underdog)

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig.fmf44.88 kB · 812 downloads

4132 Sympathy for the Devil P103

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaip4132P102ECFA.fmf45.04 kB · 144 downloads

4132 Sympathy for the Devil TH Version

FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipvol24132P97ECFATHP91.fmf45.04 kB · 95 downloads

4132 GOODBYE P101

FM20GOODBYE4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP101.fmf45.17 kB · 284 downloads

BLUE MATTER 451 P98

FM20BLUEMATTER433DMKnapP108ECCC451IWFM20P102P98.fmf43.7 kB · 76 downloads

WULF 424 (Top Teams) MU Lpool P103

!!!!!!!!!!FM19.3.5BEOWULF424IFKnapP108ECCCKINGP101FM20P103.fmf44.71 kB · 215 downloads

442 (sub top) Bayer 04

19.3.4WULF442PFPWMKnapP112ECFAFM20P97ALLCUPS53.fmf44.89 kB · 107 downloads

WULF 4141

FM205WULF4141SPKnapP101ECFACC.fmf45.1 kB · 381 downloads

WULF 4231 P102 ECCC

FM20WULFKnap4231NEP102ECCC.fmf44.71 kB · 383 downloads

41311 Leeds

FM20 PILGRIMAGE41311 leftbKnapKonP52.fmf45.16 kB · 31 downloads

 

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On 11/12/2019 at 21:27, grasu said:

The 352 works slightly better than the other tactics I've tried but NOTHING actually works in this piece of **** of a game! It still boggles my mind as to why we go through this crap every year and buy this extended beta test well before it's done. This year they don't even have the excuse of adding "new features", as they basically only changed a few fonts around and this match engine is STILL absolute garbage. Your strikers constantly miss one on ones, an issue that has been plaguing this game for YEARS! The post is still hit 2 times per match, on average. And, obviously, the over-the-top ball is again the most effective scoring maneuver the AI has, despite you never being able to pull it off as a player.

There is zero tactical or player consistency, and there hasn't been for years. A striker that scores 15 goals in the first 10 games of a season REGULARLY goes on a 10 game dry spell. Tactics that worked perfectly fine until 2 matches ago suddenly stop working because the "brilliant" AI "figures them out". 

Spare yourself the annoyance and just wait for the 3rd major patch , like every year, when they finally ****ing fix the game you pay for 6 months in advance.

Amen.

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A few test results puts the order as follows

FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222

FM 20 ARGUS 352      

FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112)      P106

FM 20 SICILIAN  4222 P98      

FM 20 FM 20 WULF 4141

FM 20 SYMPATHY 442        

FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222       VOL 2

BEOWULF 442 P107                                   

NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2                                   

                         

     

SM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221       OXFORD                             

BLUE MATTER 433 DM   451                         

BLUE MATTER 433                                    

4231                                                           

WULF 424 

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