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They have called last yeas under dog test sub mid. Tactic I just posted 4141 P109 FA is the top sub mid away tactic,

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Hello Knap,

Once again, thanks for all, FM would not be that great without your help fot tactics.

If your best away tactic for underdogs is Pilgrimate 4141 P109FA, which tactic is currently the best to use for home as underdogs ? Do you think using an home and away tactic is better than use the same (all the time 13.5 4132 P112 for instance) ?

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Thanks a lot. I just won sky bet 1 and then championship with Sunderland using 19.3.5WULF4132. For Premier league, would you suggest to use P109 442 home + 4141 P109FA away //// or tweaked 4141 P109 FA all season /// or 19.3.5WULF4132 all season ?

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On one test with reputation is lowered to represent an underdog the 4132 is the best underdog tactic. I am more inclined to base the recommendation of the unofficial MR L Test and use the 4141 FA P109 for away games at least.

Not sure if or when the tweaked version will get tested, so would be more of a risk. I would be inclined to use a combination of 4132 332 and 4141.

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3 hours ago, mcallais said:

Thanks a lot. I just won sky bet 1 and then championship with Sunderland using 19.3.5WULF4132. For Premier league, would you suggest to use P109 442 home + 4141 P109FA away //// or tweaked 4141 P109 FA all season /// or 19.3.5WULF4132 all season ?

wulfpoacher 4141 is awesome won league with west ham 1st season and league cup fa cup aswel

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Indeed, best results with Sunderland in Premier League season 3 with the tactic wulfpoacher 4141 P106

19 games : 11 win and 38 points (difference : +14).

Thanks

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21 minutes ago, mcallais said:

Indeed, best results with Sunderland in Premier League season 3 with the tactic wulfpoacher 4141 P106

19 games : 11 win and 38 points (difference : +14).

Thanks

Where I can find this tactic?

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They are weaker option compared to MR ML and you can use same player.  451 4231 41122 use AMR and AML

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Hello Knap! you said Genie Scout is a great tool to find players. How do we use it? searching for attributes (in this case, the highlighted ones in the game?) or for potential rating to fit the roles in your tactics? Thanks in advance, i´m a bit lost in terms of signing the right players.

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Many ways to use GS depending on level or what players you want to buy.

You can search for new gens or just us CA PA and positional rating,.

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Top sides will have high positional rating. The positional rating using a weighted average system for key positional attributes, which can be changed for personal preference. Probably best to use a combination of CA PA and positional rating.

I've added a LL key attribute table.

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HI Knap - Wanting to start a lower league save either in the conference north/south - Which tactic would you recommend to use for home/away? 

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Most will work from recommended list but there are a couple that did well when testing with Kingstonian, which is a Dafuge challenge club.

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Perhaps the easiest way to consider which players work is to use the test team as a guide. If I use say Pogba in the CM role look for a similar payer. 

In general the midfield will be 1 DM/BWM type player and a AP type players

The problem is I test with a real save so there are injuries and squad rotation, so there will never be just the same 11 players playing the tactic.

If I used a test league without injuries morale issues etc, it may be possible to identify a best player fir However, this would not reflect a real save unless you can clone a first team. The other aspect is that you actually want players with different qualities to change how a tactic plays if needed.

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Knap i´m flying with your 4132, using your advice of following genie scout´s positional ratings. Thank you!! I have another question: for individual training should i train the roles in the tactic or maybe the roles that are more suitable for my players? thanks again mate.

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Roles of tactic will give a minor boost in decisions. 

You can also see an estimate of attributes if they reach full PA.

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I would assume they help maintain the position. I don't use Genie or Editors in my saves so I would never know.

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Are there any traits in players which are preferred or not preferred?

Using the 4132 primarily.

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The independent tests exclude them, so could be considered not necessary. It is also impossible to actually test if ppms help or hinder a tactic. I do not specifically train any in LL teams, even when reaching PL.

Attacking movement ppms should be worth training and most top teams that I test with have players with cut in from wings etc. 

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Just wanted to thank you knap.  The manager of my irl club NYCFC is Dome Torrent who was a longtime assistant for Pep and came up the idea of using IWBs at Bayern Munich with Phillip Lahm.

I started a York City save and have been able to promote them up from the National League North to the Premier League.  Was able to promote every year except for a two year stop over in the Championship.

In 19.3.4, used a combo of your 442/4141 with IWBs and now am using the 4132/4141 IWB combo in 19.3.5.  Highlight so far was zbouncing Chelsea and going on a deep FA Cup run in L2.

The 4132 that you and tff have remind me of me of Bielsas 3313 with IWBs.  I wonder if a 3 ATB verison is doable in FM, but it probably would only be useful against the rare team that uses 3 strikers. 

Thanks again.

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On 27/08/2019 at 18:55, knap said:

P109 442 is best Home sub mid tactic. Logically there may be an advantage of playing home/away tactics or Easy/difficult games and be prepared to change on how the match develops.

This is a tweaked 4141 P109 FA trying to win League with Newcastle.

!!!!!!!!!!!19.3.5PILGRIMAGEKnapCD4141P106FACC.fmf 45.17 kB · 275 downloads

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Knap did you used the 4141 for away games or every game?

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Top team I would use highest pt scorer and cup winner which is P112.

There is a dm tactic but very few independents tests have been carried out as 441 4132 or 4141 just trump them in testing.

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Hi knap, i tried many tactics, but i couldn't find a tactic that has a good defense.  I tried:

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSS.fmf

!FM19BEOWULF4231KnapPressP103.fmf

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5WULF442PFPWMKnapP110ECCC.fmf

With all of this tactics i struggled in defense and i lost almost every match away. At home they are good (not with big teams), but away the tactics don't work.

I don't know what to do or what tactics i should try. With defenders that have 4* and still receiving a lot of goals. Any tips or a tactic that i should try?

 

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The top tactics are considered to be

P112 ALL CUPS NO LOSS (Top Sub and under)

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSS.fmf 45.32 kB · 116 downloadsPI

PILGRIMAGE 4141 P106 ALLCUPS NO LOSS (Newcastle PL and FA Cup Win)

!!!!!!!!!!!19.3.5PILGRIMAGEKnapCD4141P106ALLCUPSNOLOSS.fmf

P109 ALL CUPS SP (Top , Sub and Under)

 

P109

!!!!!!!19.3.4WULF442PFPWMSPKnapP109ALLCUPS.fmf 45.14 kB · 85 downloads 

 

!!!!!!!19.3.4WULF442PFPWMKnapP112ECFA.fmf 44.96 kB · 72 downloads

Updated for 19.3.5

P110

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5WULF442PFPWMKnapP110ECCC.fmf 44.96 kB · 134 downloads

 

P108 no loss 4411 (top)

!!!!!FM19.3.4BEOWULF4411KnapP108ALLCUPSnoloss.fmf 45.25 kB · 46 downloads

P106 ALL CUPS 442 (top and Sub)

!!!!!FM19.3.4BEOWULF442KnapP106ALLCUPS.fmf 45.23 kB · 41 downloads

P103 ECCC 442 (Good for underdogs_

!!!!!19.3.4BEOWULF442WAFKnapP103ECCC.fmf 44.96 kB · 43 downloads

Updated for 19.3.5

(P103) P106 ALL CUPS KINGSTONIAN P109

 

PILGRIMAGE 4141 AWAY Tactic (underdog tactic)

!!!!FM19.3.4PILGRIMAGE4141KnapP107EC.fmf44.1 kB · 113 downloads

 

 

WULF 4141

!!!!!!!19.3.5BEOWULF442WAF(P103)SPKnap4141P106ECCC.fmf45.24 kB · 92 downloads

 

PILGRIMAGE 4141 (Good for underdogs)

The 4141 is P102EC but there are updated versions of this the latest being P109

Other tactics

4132

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5WULF4132PFWMIWBSPKnapTHP105FACCSPP108.fmf45.31 kB · 144 downloads

41221 Oxford

!!!!!!!!!!!19.3.5PILGRIMAGEKnapIWB41221OXFORDP107ECFA.fmf45.25 kB · 98 downloads

4411

!!!!!!!!!!!19.3.5PILGRIMAGEKnap4411P106ECFA.fmf45.21 kB · 78 downloads

41311

!!!!!!!!!!!19.3.5PILGRIMAGEKnap41311P106ALLCUPS.fmf45.2 kB · 80 downloads

 

451

!!!!!!!!!!!19.3.5PILGRIMAGEKnapIWB451P104.fmf45.19 kB · 93 downloads

 

442 DM SICILIAN P106 ALL CUPS NO LOSS (Top, Sub and Under)

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5SICILIAN442PFDMIWBS

 

ADDITIONAL TACTICS

4141 Solounamigo  AWAYv4 (Top, Sub and Under) Recommended for LL

AWAYv4_!!!!!!!19.3.5WULF4141SPKnapP106ECCCKINGP107_SOLOUNAMIGOP104KINGP104.fmf45.28 kB · 129 downloads

 

4132 AP Matiz (Top Sub)

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP112ALLCUPSNOLOSSmatizAPTHP102.fmf45.36 kB · 144 downloads

442 Matiz (Top Sub and Under) Recommended for LL

!!!!!!!!!!!19.3.5WULFKnapMatizWPF442P104ALLCUPS.fmf44.98 kB · 200 downloads

4231 DM VOL

4231 DM VOL

!FM19.3.5BEOWULF4231DMVOLKnapP102ALLCUPS.fmf44.9 kB · 66 downloads

 

 

4141 IWB

!!!!!!!!!!!19.3.5PILGRIMAGEKnapIWB4141P107.fmf45.21 kB · 36 downloads

 

SALAH TACTIC

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapP104ALLCUPSSALAH.fmf45.32 kB · 125 downloads

 

HOLIDAY SEASON TACTICS

10 SEASON TACTIC

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5SICILIAN442PFDMIWBSPKnapP109ALLCUPSNOLOSS10SEASONS.fmf45.28 kB · 80 downloads

MU 7 SEASON TACTIC

!!!!!!!19.3.4WULF442PFIWKnapP110ECCCMU7SEASONS.fmf44.94 kB · 44 downloads

 

TH 12 SEASON TACTIC P108

!!!!!!!!!19.3.5WULF4132PFDMIWBSPKnapTHP108.fmf45.29 kB · 78 downloads

 

HOLIDAY SEASON TACTICS

 

!!!!!!!19.3.5BEOWULF442WAF9P103)Kn

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@knap I’m about 4 or 5 seasons in and dominating games in chances and but my conversion rate is really poor any tips ??

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The tactics are set up with top teams so the AI will be defensive. Testing with high reputation also makes tactics play against defensive AI. The long holiday season test just showed normal variations between seasons.

These are from a 2019 season and 2034 season again not showing a major variation. As long as winning leagues and cups I would just see how they pan out over the seasons.

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hello knap. I am playing with Manchester United and i am in year 2036. I Always used gladiator tactic, but afther 3.5 it,s not giving me much fun anymore. Could you have a good tactic for home and away where my striker(s) score goals and i have fun again. At this moment i am winning a lot, but not have a lot of fun. greetz, Daniel

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Just use recommended list above. If you want an away tactic try the underdog recommended tactics.

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@knap

hey, what is the best tactic for a sub team with high number of clean sheets and solid number of scoring goals?

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17 hours ago, knap said:

Just use recommended list above. If you want an away tactic try the underdog recommended tactics.

ok i will try.

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hello Knap , playing tactics !!!!!!!!!!!19.3.5PILGRIM AGEKnapCD4132P106ALLCUPSTHP98.fmf . There are difficulties against tactics 4-4-2 and 4-3-3. How to play against these teams?

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