Ti Ago Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Blice said: @knap yes i am I'm using and I don't have that problem . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romania94fmfan Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) Knap is so true that they say that you copy settings from the tactics of other creators. Goodbye is an exact copy of aegis Guru. 2040_AEGIS.fmf Edited June 7, 2020 by Romania94fmfan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) @Romania94fmfan I put 2 trick settings in my later tactics GK Taackle easy and the WBs with different settings. GURU used my tactic as a base ie a full copy. GURU is therefore the cheat Edited June 7, 2020 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romania94fmfan Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 You can show your tactics that served as the basis for aegis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WKTHFC Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Some players showing this kind of progress using the suggested training. Any reasons for this? Also, is it normal for players to voice displeasure about the training at times. I have seen some with downwards determination in particular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 romania94fmfan It has been discuseed here as many asked why the WBs were not the same. Obviously easy tackle GK is the other trick. For someone to include both in a tactic using the same formation, Guru has admitted to downloading my tactic. If you were just copying ideas you would not include the trick settings, however if you use the tactic as a base you are highly likely to include the trick settings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 @WKTHFC I think this has been discussed but perhaps @Rober82 or @Cadoni will have the answer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romania94fmfan Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 You can tell what the name of your old tactics. If it exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 @Romania94fmfan Why do you say if it exist? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 @Romania94fmfan With respect, can you just p*ss off! If you're not a fan of Knaps work, move on. I'm sure a Mod will agree when i say we don't need any more negativity ATM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendixkunert2 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, widowmaker- said: @Romania94fmfan With respect, can you just p*ss off! If you're not a fan of Knaps work, move on. I'm sure a Mod will agree when i say we don't need any more negativity ATM He is a typical troll that needs to get removed asap. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, WKTHFC said: Some players showing this kind of progress using the suggested training. Any reasons for this? Also, is it normal for players to voice displeasure about the training at times. I have seen some with downwards determination in particular. The red arrows happen with any training system, it's just the game recalculation or something. Not to be concerned about. Only if you start seing red -1's in progress. yes, it's normal. Especially for people with poor personalities, who do not like training. The thing to look for is training rating. If that is high, they are developing but still complaining because its's hard, and they are spolied brats :P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 31 minutes ago, WKTHFC said: Some players showing this kind of progress using the suggested training. Any reasons for this? Also, is it normal for players to voice displeasure about the training at times. I have seen some with downwards determination in particular. Little room for PA spend. Player has nearly reached PA, so don't wait further development. Above picture is not declining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romania94fmfan Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 I'm not a troll.I did not mean anything bad. All this is very suspicious. Therefore, I have little doubt that a tactic exists. But if Knap does not want to tell what tactics it is, then Okay, I will no longer bother you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 @Romania94fmfan I can show you the evidence and ir was picked up on Discord many months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchin75 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, Romania94fmfan said: I'm not a troll.I did not mean anything bad. All this is very suspicious. Therefore, I have little doubt that a tactic exists. But if Knap does not want to tell what tactics it is, then Okay, I will no longer bother you. if your not trying to troll why does it bother you so much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) You don't have to prove anything to anyone on here, knap. You're a tactical genius in our eyes! Edited June 7, 2020 by cfwhittle 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 Over the years I have used odd settings in tactics in order to trip up anyone downloading and passing of the tactic as being original. I had been using GK Hard tackle (which you still see copied on a few tactics) and corner defend MR marking tall player. I changed this on newer tactics to GK Easy tackle and the WBs being different in width one standard the other narrower. If you copy and idea then you are unlikely to copy illogical settings. However if you download a tactic and tweak then you are unlikely to pick up illogical settings. It was pointed out on discord that guru has yhe illogical WB setting. If you check the original guru tactic had both easy tackle GK nd the illogical WBs. Once someone downloads and uses a tactic as a base then the tactics are always going to look similar. Guru's tactic had the tell tale illogical settings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 Hardly any change from FM 19 Tactic, apart from hard tackle on GK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 what was the tactics that dont use man marking ? ie 4321 4312 442 please ? would they be on the lsit as not using man marking , how can we see that ? Sorry been away for a bit with family issue !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 @marksmithlfc1234 Mpst will have MM in name apart from Kashmir as uses position marking with WBs 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Just now, knap said: @marksmithlfc1234 Mpst will have MM in name apart from Kashmir as uses position marking with WBs Cheers @knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green18 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, knap said: Over the years I have used odd settings in tactics in order to trip up anyone downloading and passing of the tactic as being original. I had been using GK Hard tackle (which you still see copied on a few tactics) and corner defend MR marking tall player. I changed this on newer tactics to GK Easy tackle and the WBs being different in width one standard the other narrower. If you copy and idea then you are unlikely to copy illogical settings. However if you download a tactic and tweak then you are unlikely to pick up illogical settings. It was pointed out on discord that guru has yhe illogical WB setting. If you check the original guru tactic had both easy tackle GK nd the illogical WBs. Once someone downloads and uses a tactic as a base then the tactics are always going to look similar. Guru's tactic had the tell tale illogical settings Just ignore him. i wont insult him as he asked a perfectly reasonable question, but it was answered and he still refuses to accept the response. I'm not sure you need to prove anything to anyone at this point, your reputation speaks for itself. Lets move on to constructive tactical analysis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WKTHFC Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Rober82 said: The red arrows happen with any training system, it's just the game recalculation or something. Not to be concerned about. Only if you start seing red -1's in progress. yes, it's normal. Especially for people with poor personalities, who do not like training. The thing to look for is training rating. If that is high, they are developing but still complaining because its's hard, and they are spolied brats :P Thanks for info 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 @Green18 Guru was caught with his fingers in the till, but you have to wonder why these people also follow my thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) FM 20.4.1 GOODBYE VOL 2 MU Euro CC Based on an earlier tactic !FM20.4.1GOODBYEKnapVOL241221P107P105ECMUP96Euro4321MUP96EuroCC.fmf Edited June 7, 2020 by knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronBars Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 26 минут назад, knap сказал: FM 20.4.1 GOODBYE VOL 2 MU Euro CC Based on an earlier tactic !FM20.4.1GOODBYEKnapVOL241221P107P105ECMUP96Euro4321MUP96EuroCC.fmf 45 \u043a\u0411 · 6 downloads Knap, please adapt BlackEcho4231 to 20.4.1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 @IronBars BLACK ECHO Should still be working, could try GALLOWS POLE as similar set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 what are we saying is the best 4321 or 4312 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza’s Pint Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 26 minutes ago, marksmithlfc1234 said: what are we saying is the best 4321 or 4312 ? 4321 for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 @marksmithlfc1234 Probably this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fBSOTKCOzQ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, knap said: @marksmithlfc1234 Probably this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fBSOTKCOzQ What's the ID for this one knap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 @cfwhittle ID 1414 and you will see GK and WB settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, knap said: @cfwhittle ID 1414 and you will see GK and WB settings. This is different to the formation in the video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Found it - 1491 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 @cfwhittle The Famouse Grouse effect 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsalai Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 49 minutes ago, knap said: @cfwhittle The Famouse Grouse effect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green18 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 5 hours ago, knap said: @Green18 Guru was caught with his fingers in the till, but you have to wonder why these people also follow my thread Some people don't like it when others do something well and will continue to try to find a way to bring them down, because they believe that if you are at that high a level, cheating must be involved and talent/time & effort arent. Take it as a compliment, you wouldnt have such people on your thread if the tactics were not so profoundly effective, year after year. Success breeds contempt. Doesnt mean you need to give them the time of day though. They'd happily get into a back and forth with you, ignoring all logic and common sense. (I'm surprised Logic & Common Sense isn't the name of a set of tactics!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green18 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 I have a question-somewhat tactically related but also player related. When playing with the tactics, as we all do on different saves, i tend to build teams very differently, with different players. We all have our favourites for squad building who we snap up on each save (an example would be Thiago Almada, excellent young player available on loan with an option for 2.5mil at the beginning of the game). But generally, we use a lot of the default players on a squad for at least a season, giving us a perspective on a wide range of players over the course of an FM title. What i have become aware of and interested in however are players i refer to as 'special'. To explain, i quickly realised that within the game, players are not rated simply according to current ability (ie a player with 140CA could play a lot better than one with 160CA). Their CA/PA does not always correlate with their Avg rating in game. I find this is mostly prevalent with Defenders and Fullbacks, but also affects other players. With some players, they appear transcendent of tactic and team on the game. What i mean by this is that some players appear to always have excellent average ratings and some appear to always have a poor avg rating in games. I have tried to analyse over my saves to identify some of these 'special' players. I wanted to find out if anyone has identified any players who always seem to have a Avg rating of over 7.20 or so in every save? Or players that always appear to play poorly despite price tag or CA/PA? Some examples of 'high avg rating' players Luis Alberto- May be the best player in the whole game, unbelievably. Moussa Dembele Emi Buendia John Stones Nabil Fekir Pablo Mari Recce Oxford There are a number of players who always play badly as well without fail. Victor Fischer is an example of this, as is Odsonne Eduoard since the most recent update (he was very good beforehand). Wilf Zaha is always mind numbingly poor for me as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgonz10 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Hello, I'm having a hard time finding a plug and play tactic for Hoffenhein, @knap, could you indicate 3 tactics? Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie is God! Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) @Green18a lot of other factors come into it, not just CA. There are more obvious ones such as determination, work rate, etc. but there are others too. For example, hidden stats such as consistency, pressure and big matches to name just 3. A player with poor consistency e.g. 5 out of 20 will only play to his CA 5 times out of 25. How badly he will perform below par on one of the other days is random but it averages around a total of 10pts below his CA. So if you have a guy with 140 CA who is very consistent, determined, works hard, etc he could quite easily outperform your 160 CA player. My current save is in 2029 so not that many real life players around now but some on your list are and I can tell you that... Spoiler Moussa Dembele's consistency is 15 and he has 13 pressure & 16 important matches. Buendia = 15/13/14, Stones = 15/16/14, Oxford = 13/15/16 Makes sense then that they tend to play well consistently. Edited June 8, 2020 by Earnie is God! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green18 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Earnie is God! said: @Green18a lot of other factors come into it, not just CA. There are more obvious ones such as determination, work rate, etc. but there are others too. For example, hidden stats such as consistency, pressure and big matches to name just 3. A player with poor consistency e.g. 5 out of 20 will only play to his CA 5 times out of 25. How badly he will perform below par on one of the other days is random but it averages around a total of 10pts below his CA. So if you have a guy with 140 CA who is very consistent, determined, works hard, etc he could quite easily outperform your 160 CA player. My current save is in 2029 so not that many real life players around now but some on your list are and I can tell you that... Hide contents Moussa Dembele's consistency is 15 and he has 13 pressure & 16 important matches. Buendia = 15/13/14, Stones = 15/16/14, Oxford = 13/15/16 Makes sense then that they tend to play well consistently. Thank you for this i'll do some more research. If this formula could identify players who consistently achieve 7.5 + ratings without having to spend megabucks, it could be a way of identifying teams that could push tactics to their maximum (and minimum). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 @rodgonz10 I would pick 3 from recommended column Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilbertie69 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Hi Knap, Just wondering what tactic you would suggest for managing in the lower leagues in England? Cheers mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 @Lilbertie69 Any Rober used FIRE 4321 with MM with Oxford Utd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 if we did a top 10 of tactics from knap on this years game for Average teams ie not Liverpool and Man city !! what would they be ? I am saying at least fire4312 has to be in the top half surely !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 @marksmithlfc1234 Have you voted on FM Scout? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 FM 20.4.1 FIRE & WATER 41311 P107 ALL CUPS !FM20.4.1FIRE&WATERKnapVOL241311P107ALLCUPS.fmf 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kappa007 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Hey knap what is your overal best 4321 currently that still is working? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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