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You never know there may not be a need for another patch, so started with FM 20

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2 hours ago, Crusho79bv said:

Tweaked BEOWULF into a 4231 that gives me crazy result

Playing with FC Viitorul Constanta in Romanian First League first season and killing in Europe teams like Espaniol, Besiktas, Standard and Braga

Possession 55-65% and 25-40 shots per game

 

BEOWULF Tweak 4231.fmf 44.92 kB · 60 downloads

 

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Going to try this, any man marking etc?

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17 minutes ago, Sith Lord said:

Going to try this, any man marking etc?

No

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Posted (edited)

What is a good (fast-ish) game setup before starting a “holiday save” to see how the tactic plays out for a season? I’m kinda new to this... (on PC)

...so the season doesn’t take too long to holiday itself.

- only load 1 league on minimal detail?

Edited by Ronaldinho Gaúcho 10
more specific question

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Posted (edited)

Won Serie A 1st season with Sassuolo using !!!!!!!!!!!!!FM20.4.1BEOWULF442WAFKnapVOL3POSP103ALLCUPS, thank you very much Knap:-)

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Edited by mutwale

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6 hours ago, Crusho79bv said:

Tweaked BEOWULF into a 4231 that gives me crazy result

Playing with FC Viitorul Constanta in Romanian First League first season and killing in Europe teams like Espaniol, Besiktas, Standard and Braga

Possession 55-65% and 25-40 shots per game

 

BEOWULF Tweak 4231.fmf 44.92 kB · 139 downloads

 

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Won 2 Bundesliga titles, a DFB Pokal and a Champions League so far using this with RB Leipzig for 2 seasons with a very small squad.

 

 

 

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7 ore fa, Crusho79bv ha scritto:

Tweaked BEOWULF into a 4231 that gives me crazy result

Playing with FC Viitorul Constanta in Romanian First League first season and killing in Europe teams like Espaniol, Besiktas, Standard and Braga

Possession 55-65% and 25-40 shots per game

 

BEOWULF Tweak 4231.fmf 44 kb · 146 downloads

 

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Seems promising. 

Two questions:

- have you played with IR or watching the games?

- mentality stays always on attacking, even for the exploit you had away against stringer teams?

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14 hours ago, Crusho79bv said:

Tweaked BEOWULF into a 4231 that gives me crazy result

Playing with FC Viitorul Constanta in Romanian First League first season and killing in Europe teams like Espaniol, Besiktas, Standard and Braga

Possession 55-65% and 25-40 shots per game

 

BEOWULF Tweak 4231.fmf 44.92 kB · 186 downloads

 

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I won EFL 2nd season with Bournemouth :D - 2 Season saved 2 times

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8 hours ago, radetzky said:

Seems promising. 

Two questions:

- have you played with IR or watching the games?

- mentality stays always on attacking, even for the exploit you had away against stringer teams?

All games on 3D, i like to watch the games 

Mentality Attacking, if i`m up by 2 or 3 goals i go Positive mentality in the last 15-20 minutes

Rotate players in the League and Cup to keep morale up

Edited by Crusho79bv

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13 hours ago, Ronaldinho Gaúcho 10 said:

What is a good (fast-ish) game setup before starting a “holiday save” to see how the tactic plays out for a season? I’m kinda new to this... (on PC)

...so the season doesn’t take too long to holiday itself.

- only load 1 league on minimal detail?

Have you thought about Touch?

Same match engine but less fluff so much quicker.

I can holiday a season in about 20 mins.

1 division, small database.

It is also good as it supports Instant Result which can give more realistic test results. You manage the squad and then just skip games. With holiday there may not be rotation or players getting unhappy which can affect the morale and performances.

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21 hours ago, knap said:

@radetzky

I originally set them up for Ipad payers rather than having to copy a load of PIs.

Optimus used to like them in LL as very simple.

To an extent with a good team the player will just play their position, without fitting into a rigid tactic structure.

Adding PIs is about trying to push a formation to the limits, which in some cases may only add a few pts to a season or stronger for underdogs.

PIs can also be useful for toning down (and also emphasising) a players PPM e.g. shoot less to discourage players who shoot from distance, hold position to stop defensive players with gets forward etc.

PPM have a big effect on the game and are hard to take into account when importing tactics created (and tested) with other teams and players. The other players PPMs may have contributed to a positive test so with different teams may not get the same results. 

Edited by eencae
Wrote up instead of down

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47 minutes ago, eencae said:

PIs can also be useful for toning up (or emphasising) a players PPM e.g. shoot less to discourage players who shoot from distance, hold position to stop defensive players with gets forward etc.

PPM have a big effect on the game and are hard to take into account when importing tactics created (and tested) with other teams and players. The other players PPMs may have contributed to a positive test so with different teams may not get the same results. 

I don't think they actually can. I remember one of the mods on here saying that there is a hierarchy to instructions which if I remember correctly goes like this. Tactic Settings < PIs < PPMs. Meaning every setting in tactics or PIs that is contrary to the PPM of the player gets overwritten by the PPM. The same goes for PIs overwriting tactic instructions. For example if you have your entire team on get stuck in but set one of your players to "ease of tackles" he will ease of in the tackling department unless he has the PPM dives into tackles.

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46 minutes ago, Flohrinho said:

I don't think they actually can. I remember one of the mods on here saying that there is a hierarchy to instructions which if I remember correctly goes like this. Tactic Settings < PIs < PPMs. Meaning every setting in tactics or PIs that is contrary to the PPM of the player gets overwritten by the PPM. The same goes for PIs overwriting tactic instructions. For example if you have your entire team on get stuck in but set one of your players to "ease of tackles" he will ease of in the tackling department unless he has the PPM dives into tackles.

I’ve always taken it to be like that based on this post by Herne. He was a very good moderator and seemed very knowledgeable. 

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40 minutes ago, eencae said:

I’ve always taken it to be like that based on this post by Herne. He was a very good moderator and seemed very knowledgeable. 

Oh that's interesting. I always thought they are a hard overwrite but good to know that they at least help mitigate the effect of "shoots from distance" for example.

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@Augustin1979

The WB Marking was part of the original tactics nd were not removed.

The PF MM are more part of the MM following guide of disrupting AI passing and would reduce attacking potential.

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2 minutes ago, knap said:

@Augustin1979

The WB Marking was part of the original tactics nd were not removed.

The PF MM are more part of the MM following guide of disrupting AI passing and would reduce attacking potential.

That's what I thought, thanks for clearing it up for me.

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21 minutes ago, knap said:

@Dreambuilder

Are you not in lockdown with only FM to play!

Hehe kind of yeah :) But I use to switch to some other game when I get bored, back and forth.. Now I got the urge to FM again!

Edited by Dreambuilder

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8 minutes ago, Nabby1987 said:

This is good, very good.

Half a season with Barca, smashed it

Just simming a season with Mallorca (Predicted 20th), no transfers made, April now and currently 4th

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I'm playing fm 19 19.3.6 is the original original but did not keep it in tactics here which one do you think is the best

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Hey @knap

 

What's your best tactic using inside forwards this year ?

Thanks !

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@QuickZombie

Very high tempo short passing (442 is based on Venom), works well with Spurs.

 

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  • FM 20.4 and 20.3 me 2040  Tactics  (includes FM 20.2 Beta tactics and FM 20.2.4)

TACTIC LINKS AND TACTIC RANKINGS FROM THE INDEPENDENT TESTS (MR L & FM BASE) ARE NOW ON GOOGLE DOCS LINK BELOW

http://bit.ly/knaptactics

Because I test with top, the pts total in tactic name will give an idea of what is best for top club, Top Clubs should be able to use all of the tactics.

Can also use Top and Sub Top a Home Tactic Underdog Away or

Top Favourite Sub Top Evens Underdog if Underdog

FOR SUS AT END OF GAME TRY - REGROUP AND HOLD SHAPE

 

ROBER GUIDE TO CLUB SET UP 

New_Game_2 (1).pdf 322.53 kB · 27 downloads

 

 

ROBER GUIDE TO MARKING

FULL GUIDE ON FM SCOUT

 

 

 

FULL TRAINING INFPRMATION ON FM SCOUT INCLUDING HOW TO SET UP AND ATTRIBUTE IMPROVEMENTS
 
 

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RDF TWEAKS

 

 

CROSSING CONSIDERATIONS

 

 

MENTALITY MATTERS GUIDE

FRENCH UNDERDOG TESTS

 

 

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SHOuTS

Demand More when we are winning by 1 goal.

Show Some Passion when we are back at score.

Praise when winning 2 or more goals.

--

MRr Hough recommended shouts

Use shouts Show Some Passion and Demand More. Also concentrate if leading by a few goals

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@Dreambuilder

Looks a very good recommendation, based on a Juve swason as well, so added to recommended tactics.

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Posted (edited)

@knap do you think that holy ghost fire tactics can be used for subtop-underdog teams ?

Edited by zazz88

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@zazz88

I consider Spurs sub top.

Not tested with any under dog teams.

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works fine with underdog teams.

Bournemouth media prediction 15th (just tanked the final 5 games)

Currently testing with QPR to make sure.

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27 minutes ago, bendixkunert2 said:

works fine with underdog teams.

Bournemouth media prediction 15th (just tanked the final 5 games)

Currently testing with QPR to make sure.

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Which tactic ??

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2 minutes ago, Evo1987 said:

Which tactic ??

The Holy Ghost fire 4321 above

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Tactics are more than awesome, as usual. The game kinda knows that and this year is nearly impossible winning a championship for me. I'm managing Roma and I'll attach literally any games that I didn't win. It's impossible to achieve anything serious with this insane number of ridicolous draws, I've been long acquainted with Fm and I know when you got FMed, but I never saw something like this. We have also some of the better penalty takers in the league, scoring merely 50% of those.

 

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5 hours ago, Rafamat said:

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Tactics are more than awesome, as usual. The game kinda knows that and this year is nearly impossible winning a championship for me. I'm managing Roma and I'll attach literally any games that I didn't win. It's impossible to achieve anything serious with this insane number of ridicolous draws, I've been long acquainted with Fm and I know when you got FMed, but I never saw something like this. We have also some of the better penalty takers in the league, scoring merely 50% of those.

 

which tactic ?

 

anyway, anyone here playing draft ? I am still looking for the best tactic in my mini draft league ...

Edited by omteloletom

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Posted (edited)

Hi @knap,

What's your best 4231 tactic?

Thanks

 

On 18/05/2020 at 07:10, TA said:

I won EFL 2nd season with Bournemouth :D - 2 Season saved 2 times

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But the game status says that you cheated and used In-Game Editor.... :herman:

Edited by Nitro871

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