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Just now, Rober82 said:

Actually i think someone had even better results, 176 goals scored.

As for this it was a test, it's not me playing the game. This was about scoring as many as possible, and all credit is to knaps tactic.
The result don't matter for me, it's about finding things in the ME that can be used further.
I have plenty of bad tests also, but I don't post those, who want's a tactic that doesn't work? :D 
I also use two teams that I rotate, as I like to think this keeps the opponent unprepared for what to face.
Setting up a save takes me many hours before I press continue the first time, so it takes a lot of time. It's not plug and play, even for testing.

This worked insanely well, and two days later it did not anymore. Still is a great tactic for tops teams though, but you can struggle away, or against top teams because of the space behind the wing backs. I think Liverpool beat me 6-0 in another game, and even the run above had three more loses in Europe.


 

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Rober.

 

Rotation - if you can rotate a team (with equally as good players) you get the results. 

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1 minute ago, jonnysnipe said:

Rotation - if you can rotate a team (with equally as good players) you get the results. 

Yeah, swapping Rashford Lautaro and Greenwood with Haaland Werner and Dybala helps :D

But also swap the positions if they are the same. Rash started on the right and Lautaro on the left striker, swap them next game.
The AI looks at what you did last game and prepares for it. If it wasnt for tactical familarity, we could probably swap between two tactics every other game..

But make small changes from game to game. @knaps advice. Whipped crosses, low crosses. And so on.


 

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7 minutes ago, Rober82 said:

Yeah, swapping Rashford Lautaro and Greenwood with Haaland Werner and Dybala helps :D

But also swap the positions if they are the same. Rash started on the right and Lautaro on the left striker, swap them next game.
The AI looks at what you did last game and prepares for it. If it wasnt for tactical familarity, we could probably swap between two tactics every other game..

But make small changes from game to game. @knaps advice. Whipped crosses, low crosses. And so on.


 

Hmmmm good point may look at switching wingers round as well to keep them on their toes.

 

Lets see what next season brings.

 

By the way Almada had a decent season from AMR

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il y a une heure, sergiolagartija a dit :

Hey mate. In which games did you use the 4411? did you watch the odds? thanks

In difficult away games against big teams

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21 hours ago, knap said:

@markv1@knap

 

Points with top team. If you are a top club like lpool in your league, you should be able to use any of the tactics.If you are a bit below then sub top. You can use sub top column just to restrict choice.

Sorry can i just add, would you class AC Milan as a sub top team on this? Struggling to find a tactic to suit them

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26 minutes ago, jonnysnipe said:

Hmmmm good point may look at switching wingers round as well to keep them on their toes.

 

Lets see what next season brings.

 

By the way Almada had a decent season from AMR

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have sent pm

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1 hour ago, jonnysnipe said:

Hmmmm good point may look at switching wingers round as well to keep them on their toes.

 

Lets see what next season brings.

 

By the way Almada had a decent season from AMR

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what tactic are you playing him in ? 

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2 hours ago, knap said:

@OllyP

Considerig no ME changes this did not work as well in the update. I did update it for 20.4.1 but FIRE 4312 may be more effective forhigh scoring

in Fire 4312 do you change crossing to floated or leave it as it please @knap

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Il y a 2 heures, OllyP a dit :

 

Wow you were right about Fire 4312, first game!

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Where is the 4312 fire version please ? 

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7 hours ago, Josifovski said:

Hi Knap,

I don’t understand what you mean with “back at score”. Is it if you are loosing 0-1 and just have tied the game? 
 

What about when it’s a draw, 0-0? What shout do you use? How often do you use shouts? Is it whenever possible?

Shouts during 1st half:

- Demand More // Draw // Minute: 25' - 30' (once)
- Show Some Passion // Lossing (once)
- Praise // Win by 2 or more goals (once)

Shouts during 2nd half:

Same as above

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9 minutes ago, pinardier8282 said:

Where is the 4312 fire version please ? 

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Is there a strong AML/R Inside Forward tactic this year? No corner exploits either?

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Could be on for a record here. Last three matches have been double figure scorelines. I know their teams aren't the best.

I'm using the 5.4.1 FireAndWater 4321 as my base. I'm still trying to find good tweaks for consistent away performances.

Currently playing with match to match small tweaks like cross type, work into box, switching player positions. As a few posts have eluded to it may be hard to switch entire formations between home/away due to cohesion.

Also OIs, playing with these, too. I'm Man Utd and England so I'll be quitting both and taking jobs at smaller clubs to really understand what does and doesn't work. 

As a pointer this tactic in another save has got Sheff Utd to 2nd place first and second season. 2nd season was by goal difference to Liverpool (91pts). Lys Mousset was deadly.

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Having finished season with Wolves in 3rd place in Prem using 4312Fire with floated crosses and Fire and water 4321 . 

I want a new tactic to push us on for next season? 

Should i stick with this tactic or is there something else i can use . 

I would love 3 striker tactic but not sure of it woukd do the trick for 2nd season? 

Anyone ? 

 

 

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14 dakika önce, RDF Tactics said:

Fire and Water with floated crosses and DLP with more direct passing 

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can you share link for this tactic

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Just finished my 4th season with Sunderland, Won League 1 first season, got promoted via play-offs second season, finished 6th in both my premier league seasons. In both the premier league seasons i havent been able to settle with a tactic, been changing things around when hitting sticky patches. Ive just finished the season so im looking to rebuild for next with a tactic that could hopefully break into the top 4, ideally with 4 at the back. Any suggestions, i will give the whole season to the one tactics given i dont get sacked.

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il y a 16 minutes, raaalvas a dit :

What tactic dude?

FM 20.3  TEAFOR FOR ONE 4411p100CC with positive mentality

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@knap

Hi mate, i've gone back to FM19 because I had a fun save on there and couldn't find one i wanted to do on FM20.

I'm using "PILGRIMAGE 4141 P106 ALLCUPS NO LOSS (Newcastle PL and FA Cup Win)"

The actual tactic seems good but I haven't been able to get any of my strikers to score consistently/much at all with the formation. Can you give me any tips on this?

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@JayPricey

These were top FM 19 Tactics. There were a few high scoring Salah tactics

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41 minutes ago, Scruffer23 said:

@RDF Tactics what sort of strikers work with float crosses ?? 

physical with decent height. i noticed bravery and teamwork is a bonus

23 minutes ago, adlyd90 said:

@RDF Tactics

you think tactics would work better with IWB?

i think it depends on the set up. if you have many midfielders then no. it works good when your team is expected to be low in numbers in midfield

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3 minutes ago, RDF Tactics said:

i think it depends on the set up. if you have many midfielders then no. it works good when your team is expected to be low in numbers in midfield

I mean fire and water tactics ... In fact, there is one midfielder and IWB in the middle of the field to support him.

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Hey @RDF Tactics

I am strarting to use your training principles and schedules.  I keep getting feedback that I should finish players individual training as it is no longer a weakness (attriubutes beg to differ!) or because they are unhappy with it.  Do you get this?  I am feeling like just ignoring it as they are only a month into it.

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@RDF Tactics

what happend to your Spurs save mate?

I saw that you tweaked one AM to another Striker.

You think it's more effective than the original formation? 

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I'm really struggling chaps.

Potentially facing the first relegation of my FM career.

I've started a Boro career with the aim of being full HGC.

Promoted first year... second season has been a struggle, admittedly my team isn't top drawer.


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Please help save my season!

 

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hi friends, whats the best tactic for FCBarcelona in first year?

out pique busquets, jordi alba, vidal, suarez and rakitic.

 

thanks

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Posted (edited)

Hi Knap,

Do you have an idea to contest AEGIS tactic from Guru ?

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6 minutes ago, Zygoto said:

Hi Knap,

Do you have an idea to contest AEGIS tactic from Guru ?

Have you notice something in left back on AEGIS tactic?

Knap has been added a fault PI on him "sit narrower".

Well, "sit narrower" exist in AEGIS tactic.

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Thanks for reply, but wich tactic is better for win against ?

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22 minutes ago, Adam Sutton said:

What the hell is this tactic LOL! 1st game using it........ well 1st 37 mins..... 5-0 against my close rivals for the league 1 promotion race.

 



 

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You Oxford?

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1 minute ago, Adam Sutton said:

LOL York CITY of course


Well Of course, I'm Oxford and that result obviously did not happen and is a fake ;)

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2 minutes ago, Rober82 said:


Well Of course, I'm Oxford and that result obviously did not happen and is a fake ;)

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wait to you get to 2022 ;) York City will be Kings

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On 23/04/2020 at 14:43, pukpuk64 said:

Hi @knap and @RDF Tactics

I would like to have your opinion. I'm doing a long game with a friend, he's using a sort of Beowulf 424 but results are insane. 
Just to know, our teams are good (average are around 150-170), lot of regens. We only play match, no IR. Don't worry about team name we changed, nothing else is changed. 
It's in French but players role are not the same as your tactic. Central Defenders are not in Defense but Cover, Wingers are support. Total of opportunities are between 4 and 8 per match, which is insane. A lot of goals come from throw ins/free kicks/corners (30%) and from long ball behind defenders and face to face (40%). 

I put the last year standing, when he changes his formation, he only makes one draw (3 defeats and 7 draws before). Only 1 defeat in one year, all cups win. This year, 1 draw in 13 match in this capture but the game is now in April and it's 24 wins and 3 draws for him, +57 goals. Around 190 opportunitys for the team, against 130 for me (RDF 4312), 100 for Real Madrid...
With English national team, it's a carnage. He won Euro and World Cup with huge results.

By my side, I play with RDF 4312, I'm currently 3rd with a lot of "steal games" (more possession, more shots, more opportunities). Face to face games is around 80% for him, and never win away against this 442. 

If this 424 is played with IR, it is totally not the same (65% victory, 20% draw, 15% defeat). 

Don't hesitate to tell me why this 424 is working so well when we play with, which tactic could be better and what to do when you play against ! If you could :-)

Regards

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Chonga 424 31 mars.fmf 47.4 kB · 106 downloads

Anyone else used this tactic? If so, how have you fared so far please? 

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1 hour ago, adlyd90 said:

I mean fire and water tactics ... In fact, there is one midfielder and IWB in the middle of the field to support him.

yeah but you also have two AMs so in some scenarios, you can have 5 players in the middle

1 hour ago, Sith Lord said:

Hey @RDF Tactics

I am strarting to use your training principles and schedules.  I keep getting feedback that I should finish players individual training as it is no longer a weakness (attriubutes beg to differ!) or because they are unhappy with it.  Do you get this?  I am feeling like just ignoring it as they are only a month into it.

yeah i get that message but i ignore it...remember, that is only advice from your assistant. he gives advice on many things, but we just ignore them haha we're the better judges at certain things, you can see the players attribute so its up to you when you feel its no longer a weakness

1 hour ago, solounamigo said:

@RDF Tactics

what happend to your Spurs save mate?

I saw that you tweaked one AM to another Striker.

You think it's more effective than the original formation? 

haha i still have the save but stop posting, i have to remember there is other people in this thread and it isn't mine lol need to stop spamming. But for me it became more effective simply because the AI was used to me playing with 1 ST...Knap has a fire and water with 2 STs

 

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3 minutes ago, RDF Tactics said:

yeah but you also have two AMs so in some scenarios, you can have 5 players in the middle

But these AMs are offensive and do not support the midfielder but the striker in my opinion

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2 minutes ago, adlyd90 said:

But these AMs are offensive and do not support the midfielder but the striker in my opinion

they very much support the midfielder. Which is why i think "comes deep for ball" is a GOOD trait for one of your AMs. But when your opponent has the ball, your AMs do try and come back to support midfielder to win the ball back

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this guy is the perfect example...come deep for ball has been very good for him. he can create alongside your playmaker, so the responsibility of creating from midfield isn't just on your DLP. His AVG is 7.39 in the league but the "come deep for ball" is supposed to be a bad trait for this

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7 minutes ago, kevinSw6 said:

Anyone else used this tactic? If so, how have you fared so far please? 

Did some tests on my "every new season, try a new team and a new tactic" journey at FC Porto in 2022-2023 season. didn't make big transfers. Plug and Play mode. Even if the Portugal League is not a good test environment, results are a bit funny.

PS: I cut the results when I tried something different at the start of season + during 2022 world cup friendlies.

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The things I noticed:

- Nice attacking tactic but have problems in defence.

- Left striker scoring too much even if his stats are ****, being good option to sell him on decent amount of $.

 

Testing on a top league could be better to get the exact results.

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Still think 424 with the right tweaking is the best attacking tactic go create most CCCs

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