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On 28/12/2019 at 21:27, DavyDepuydt1 said:

I've created a traditional 433 tweak based on the TIME tactic. (4-1-2-3 DM Wide, lone striker formation)

The reason i used the TIME tactic as a base is because it uses (almost) no PI's, and uses very usefull roles already that can stay the same in a 433 dm wide, so I knew that most of the things knap got working very well in the TIME tactic would still work in a 433.

I was very succesfull:

  • Won league with man city, best in clean sheets and topscorer aguero, and best average
  • Won league with PSG, best in clean sheets, best average list filled with almost all my players
  • won the league in belgian 3rd division (2nd in league but won promotion playoff) with team predicted dead last and had best clean sheet stats
  • lone striker is scoring a lot and uses the AF role, which is a quite common role for most top strikers
  • playmaker like de bruyne shines in his natural role
  •  Standard def line, so your not getting caught by balls over the top
  •  Frequently winning the possession battle (51-54% on average with the three teams I've tested, so both good and bad teams keep possession)
  • No "tackle harder" or "get stuck in", so this avoids tons of yellows & reds
  •  All results were holidayed in FMT with 'use current match tactics' and OI set to manager so no OI's were used. I didn't select the team, so results would be even better when human manager make selection every weak and applies rotation when needed

I'm not saying it's as good as knap's tactics, but it's the first traditional 433 DM wide that got me this good results at so much different levels (so for me it's really plug & play).

So I would recommend it for people who want a more tradional 433 instead of all the 422 variants and don't care if it might not be the record-scoring nr 1 tactic of FM20

All credits to Knap offcourse, I just shifted some positions, roles an TI's

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Tried this tac and went on holiday.

Got promotion on the final day of the season narrowly. 

I guess if i would have taken control. Playing only fast striker with fast wingers should have better results?

Was told in another post that this year FM 2020, the deal is to get fast upfront players who can dribble, learn skill such as Run past the other guy, and go round the keeper.....forgetting about finishing skill....

Will try to find 3 very fast guys to learn these skills to see if it works this way!

 

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2 minutes ago, knap said:

Would be interesting to see how your "fast striker "test works

Timo Werner has the speed, the PPM ready for this to work. I haven't tried to play him or his team yet. Am still testing several tac to see which is the most stable to play with

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The lists of new tactics is in date order. Most have now been tested so I will rearrange on next update.

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@knap im playing a network game with friends tried several tactics for arsenal and keep dropping in the pl table. looking for a solid tactic with wingers. anyone a working tactic for arsenal?

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8 hours ago, rammalc said:

As has been said you are playing as a Club that really doesn't lose anyway in that league , play as the bottom Club and it becomes worth looking at as a benchmark

Who the **** are you to judge whats worth looking at. Gatekeeping how to measure tactics. Jesus christ. 

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1 hour ago, whispers said:

Who the **** are you to judge whats worth looking at. Gatekeeping how to measure tactics. Jesus christ. 

WoW, overreacting a bit here? 

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Really want to stick with Time/Stargazing 4-4-2s but it just seems so open defensively for me. With most of the players being on support I would have thought it would be pretty solid.

Not sure if it's down to the fluid nature where most others are structured. Maybe they just need to get used to the creative freedom which is awkward at the moment 

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A few test results puts the order as follows (Excludes new tactics)              OVERALL     SUB TOP UNDERDOG           OVERALL SUB TOP   UNDERDOG

FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101                                                                                   1                   7                        1                         3               4             6

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222                                                                                             2                  1                      14

FM 20.2.3  ARGUS 3322                                                                                              3                 3                      16        

FM 20 ARGUS 352                                                                                                        4                 19                      3                         1                3               2

FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112)      P106                                                               11                 6                      17                         5               8                1

FM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221       OXFORD                                                             15                    9                      20                        2                 1             7

BEOWULF 442 P107                                                                                                  19                    20                      13                         4              5                 3

FM 20.2 NORTHERN SOUL        P101CC                                                               14                       26                     2                           6               6              5

FM 20 SICILIAN  4222 P98                                                                                         5                       5                   15

FM 20.2.3 GOODBYE balanced P102                                                                      7                    15                    7

FM 20 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2      P107ECFA                                                         6                    18                        5

FM 20.1 FM 20 WULF 4141                                                                                        8                   16                         6

FM 20 BEOWULF 4411                                                                                                18                   12                    19                        7             7                  3

FM 20.2.3     PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IF     Best tested 4231                20                   21                    10                          8             2                9

FM 20 MILAN 4141                                                                                                      10                 17                      8                         9             9                  8

FM 20 SYMPATHY 442                                                                                               12                    2

FM 20 WULF 4132  P102ECCC                                                                                   9                       5

FM 20.2 WULF VOL 42220                                                                                            17                 25                     4

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL2                                                                                   16                    11                    18

 FM20 WULF 4132 ALL CUPS                                                                                     22                       8

FM20 GOODBYE 4132                                                                                                   20                     10

FM 20.2.3 TIME 442                                                                                                      13                 14                      11

FM 20 PILGRIMAGE 41311                                                                                         10                   24                     12

FM20.2 STARGAZING 442P106ECFA                                                                        21                    4

FM 20.2.3 WULF 4132 P105ECCC                                                                             23                  13

FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE                                                                                                                  22

                                                      

 

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Dear Cuper,

The tactic you found on steam the (424 by Ney Jr) is amazing https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1943852049...I am undefeated with Caen in French League 2...only 1 loss and 3  ties.

Dear Knap,

As you are the boss and magician of tactics since more than 10 years, could you please have a look and maybe make it tested ? Somehow it could help you to create the perfect one (like El Diablo...who knows). Anyway, thanks again for your hard work on tactics...FM 2019 with your 4132 was 100% pleasure

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16 hours ago, vauxine said:

I know a little RNG is involved but wow never had such a solid defense.. GOAT Knap

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Hi there @vauxine, playing game by game or holidays? Excelent results :applause:

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14 hours ago, knap said:

A few test results puts the order as follows (Excludes new tactics)   OVERALL     SUB TOP UNDERDOG        OVERALL SUB TOP   UNDERDOG

FM 20.2 SICILIAN 4222 P101                                                                      1                   5                        1                         3               3              5

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222                                                                               2                  1                      7

FM 20 ARGUS 352                                                                                         3                 17                       2                          1                2               2

FM 20 WULF 4132 (FM 19 P112)      P106                                                  8                 6                      14                            5               7                1

FM 20.2 PILGRIMAGE 41221       OXFORD                                                                                                                           2                 1             6

BEOWULF 442 P107                                                                                                                                                                 4              3                 3

FM 20.2 NORTHERN SOUL                                                                                                                                                    6               6              4

FM 20 SICILIAN  4222 P98                                                                          4                    4                    8

FM 20.2.3 GOODBYE balanced P102                                                      6                    13                    5

FM 20 NORTHERN SOUL 5-3-2                                                                5                    16                       3

FM 20.1 FM 20 WULF 4141                                                                         7                  14                     4

FM 20 SYMPATHY 442                                                                               11                     2

FM 20 MILAN 4141                                                                                      9                  15                     6

FM 20 BEOWULF 4411                                                                              13                    10

FM 20 WULF 4132  P102ECCC                                                                  9                       5

FM 20.2 WULF VOL 42220

FM 20 SYMPATHY 4222 VOL2                                                                 12                      9

 FM20 WULF 4132 ALL CUPS                                                                                            7

FM20 GOODBYE 4132                                                                           7                     8

FM 20.2.3 TIME 442                                                                              10                   12                      9

FM 20 PILGRIMAGE 41311                                                                 11                                            12

FM20.2 STARGAZING 442P106ECFA                                                14                     3

FM 20.2.3 WULF 4132 P105ECCC                                                                           11

FM 20 TEQUILA SUNRISE

fm20.2.2 WULF 442 DL P100                                                                                                             11

FM 20WULF 442 P102ECCC                                                                                                               12

FM 20.2.3     PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IF                                                                         10

 FM 20.2.3    PARISIENNE WALKWAYS 4231 IW               

BLUE MATTER 433 DM   451                         

BLUE MATTER 433                                    

                                                      

 

Looks like Argus352 is the overall number 1 tested tactic at the moment! Happy new year Knap and everyone on this forum!

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i guess still with no matter which tactic is 1 , 2 or 3 it depends on the players you have or can afford . For arguments sake it'd be no good having a back 5 if the league you're in is short on CB's you can attract . I think i was fortunate enough that Sicilian worked wonders for my save up until getting promoted to the Prem when I or it struggled . Obviously when gaining a promotion recruitment is key and i perhaps never got the necessary upgrade in player right . That was until i tried the 433 tweaked version of knap's TIME by DavyDepuydt1 . Suddenly it suited who i had and although i've not progressed far i am still on a decent run of 1 defeat in 21 games including friendlies and 13 since that one defeat

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36 minutes ago, wagabunda said:

Looking forward to FM 20.2.3 ARGUS 3322 test results, as tactics with 3 defenders and wing backs appear to be most efficient again.

I think it has already been tested, it scored 18, so Sicilian still tested better.

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5 minutes ago, Spikester said:

I think it has already been tested, it scored 18, so Sicilian still tested better.

That was an old version of Argus352 P103 tested at FMBase. The new one is P105.

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1 minute ago, Spikester said:

I might be wrong but it said on FM Base that it was tested?

Which one? - it might be that the table hasn't updated since it was posted. We only run two updates per day, morning and evening. 

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1 minute ago, FM Base said:

Which one? - it might be that the table hasn't updated since it was posted. We only run two updates per day, morning and evening. 

Well the new Argus tactic uploaded is 105pts in title, I think the one you tested was 103pts but the new one posted today said it has been tested already?

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1 minute ago, Spikester said:

Well the new Argus tactic uploaded is 105pts in title, I think the one you tested was 103pts but the new one posted today said it has been tested already?

It has been tested. The prefix and table update aren't always in sync. The P105 version scored 18/20 overall, 20/20 subtop and 15/20 underdog. I'll run an early table update shortly. 

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9 minutes ago, Spikester said:

I might be wrong but it said on FM Base that it was tested?

You're right, 105pts version with a DM is already tested, I checked the table only. So it's 18/20, pretty good. I was wondering if it's gonna be much better than ARGUS 3-5-2

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I dont understand, my players cant score 1v1 against GK . Worst FM until now  :( 
PS: How i can fix this sh** ?!

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4 minutes ago, Ivoensousa said:

This is just an example ...

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This should problably be discussed in another thread, not this one. But 6 clear cut chances missed/saved. How is the morale of the strikers + how high is your team cohesion?

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1 minute ago, Dreambuilder said:

This should problably be discussed in another thread, not this one. But 6 clear cut chances missed/saved. How is the morale of the strikers + how high is your team cohesion?

I dont understand @Dreambuilder , players 1v1 or 2v1 against GK dont score or GK saves ... so stupid ... i play FM until CM 4 and this FM20 is worst i ever played

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3 minutes ago, Ivoensousa said:

I dont understand @Dreambuilder , players 1v1 or 2v1 against GK dont score or GK saves ... so stupid ... i play FM until CM 4 and this FM20 is worst i ever played

Yea but your strikers might not be in good form.. That's why I asked how high their morale is and how the morale + team cohesion is. Why dont you check and tell us? That could be part of the explanation besides plain bad luck :)

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2 horas atrás, Ivoensousa disse:

I dont understand @Dreambuilder , players 1v1 or 2v1 against GK dont score or GK saves ... so stupid ... i play FM until CM 4 and this FM20 is worst i ever played

It's happening with everyone... it's the worst ME ever. 

I'll back to FM just after next big patch.... A lot of bugs, 1v1, stupid defensors, tactics aren't working for underdogs (I've tried every tactic in this forum)... so... the worst ME ever.

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16 minutes ago, knap said:

Inside forward or inverted winger

Seems logical, lol.

Early days yet but I'm having much better luck with this vs Sicilian

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After being relegated from the premier league I used the Argus tactic to see if I could get promoted first attempt and I was impressed with the results with no instant results 👍hopefully does as good a job in the PL again

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4 minutes ago, Dreambuilder said:

Nice. Did you change mentality sometimes or attacking plug n play all the way?

Plug n play all the way

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